Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

If trump runs, Warren won’t have an issue.  Can’t debate ethics if trump runs. He loses every day of the week

These people are bizarre.... a Trump person complaining about ethics..... there's two sets of rules, one for the insiders, (anything/everything goes) and one for the outsiders.......

Obama wore brown suit!!!!!

World ending now!!!! 

I can war a golf shirt, no tie, and look hungover, but.... tan suit!!!!

 

Edited May 12, 20196 yr by Mark F

Lol an ethics centered election? That would be a ******* dream for democrats.

Yeah not sure the trumptards want to make it about ethics. That ship sailed a long time ago.

Right  because voters really punished Trump over his ethics in 2016.

32 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Right  because voters really punished Trump over his ethics in 2016.

They did in 2018 when he was a proven malignant narcisistic liar.

1 hour ago, Zontar said:

Right  because voters really punished Trump over his ethics in 2016.

He lost the popular vote and needed all the tomfoolery from the GOP and Russia to get the electoral college votes.... guy is a complete loser in every way. Being president is only exposing it more and more.

50 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

They did in 2018 when he was a proven malignant narcisistic liar.

Yeah don’t talk logic with the alt right. Trumps approval plummeted when the grab them tape came out. And that was minor compared to everything we know now.   

Although if someone wants to make the case they the white nationalist trump supporters wouldn’t care about his ethics, I’d agree. We see that in this very thread.    Plus people that support racists generally don’t concern themselves with ethics.  But trump can’t win with only his base.  Neither side can. 

8 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

He lost the popular vote and needed all the tomfoolery from the GOP and Russia to get the electoral college votes.... guy is a complete loser in every way. Being president is only exposing it more and more.

I think some people have carried his water so long they feel it’s a personal defeat to finally admit what he is. There’s literally no logical reason for people to still be supportive of him at this stage. 

Collusion Truthers and his other various enemies have thrown everything but the kitchen sink at him hoping it changes minds. It hasn't worked . All it accomplishes is to further entrench the divide.

The endless repetition of "Orange man bad" didnt work then and won't work now whether it's half baked conspiracy theories or 30 year old tax returns .

People see Trump as protection from job killing tax and spend liberals ,leftists and globalists

The election will be over the economy and a general sense of well being and security.

Democrats, the party of tax hikes,  big government and identity politics not to mention being dragged further to the left by the marxist fringe are scarcely equipped to win this .

 

6 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Collusion Truthers and his other various enemies have thrown everything but the kitchen sink at him hoping it changes minds. It hasn't worked . All it accomplishes is to further entrench the divide.

The endless repetition of "Orange man bad" didnt work then and won't work now whether it's half baked conspiracy theories or 30 year old tax returns .

People see Trump as protection from job killing tax and spend liberals ,leftists and globalists

The election will be over the economy and a general sense of well being and security.

Democrats, the party of tax hikes,  big government and identity politics not to mention being dragged further to the left by the marxist fringe are scarcely equipped to win this .

 

What polices enacted by this administration has overwhelmingly benefited the poor and middle class?

Let me know. Cuz He should be campaigning on that.

Edited May 12, 20196 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

5 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

What polices enacted by this administration has overwhelmingly benefited the poor and middle class?

Let me know. Cuz He should be campaigning on that.

His overall approval ratings are respectable but his poll numbers on handling the economy are excellent....

So he'll be campaigning on a strong economy and challenging the Democrats and their job killing policies and how they could possibly make American lives better than they are now.

Good luck with all that when they keep giving the microphone to socialists in their ranks.

4 minutes ago, Zontar said:

His overall approval ratings are respectable but his poll numbers on handling the economy are excellent....

So he'll be campaigning on a strong economy and challenging the Democrats and their job killing policies and how they could possibly make American lives better than they are now.

Good luck with all that when they keep giving the microphone to socialists in their ranks.

What polices enacted by this administration has overwhelmingly benefited the poor and middle class?

I don't think "owning the libtards" is a policy.

19 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Let me know.

 

This Zontar character is a piece of work. 

 

Edited May 12, 20196 yr by Mark F

7 minutes ago, Mark F said:

 

This Zontar character is a piece of work. 

 

He is, but there is some merit to what he says. If you ignore all the inflammatory rhetoric, you'll see he does make some good points.

 

If all trump does is campaign on the strong economy (whether it is his doing or not is moot) he could quite possibly win again. The question though is... can he just keep his campaigning to the economy...? The past strongly suggests no...

Edited May 12, 20196 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

Americans should remember fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

15 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

What polices enacted by this administration has overwhelmingly benefited the poor and middle class?

I don't think "owning the libtards" is a policy.

Tariffs can be seen multiple ways but tax cuts are a surefire winner for bread and butter voters. Raising taxes and "green energy fees" ? not so much. 

50 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Tariffs can be seen multiple ways but tax cuts are a surefire winner for bread and butter voters. Raising taxes and "green energy fees" ? not so much. 

Framed that way- yeah, you are right. Unfortunately- it's not as simple as that. 

Sure, they can be seen in many ways, but here's the thing:Tariffs are ALWAYS passed on to the consumer- as soon as people understand that, they might be so on board the "Tariff-Man's" tax train. 

 

Also, you haven't mentioned any polices enacted by this administration has overwhelmingly benefited the poor and middle class? If you can't think of one, that's cool, because neither can I... the only one (and it is a BIG STRETCH) is the  criminal justice bill ( I will totally give trump credit for him not ******* that one up). It doesn't directly benefit the poor and middle class in their pocket books, but it totally will in the long run and through peripheral effects. Hopefully lower tax burden going to the legal system, the socio-economics of imprisonment of young men and the effects on their families.... 

 

Other than that... I can't think of one single policy that this administration has done that benefit's the poor and middle class of U.S. citizens.

 

 

Edited May 13, 20196 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

1 hour ago, Zontar said:

Collusion Truthers and his other various enemies have thrown everything but the kitchen sink at him hoping it changes minds. It hasn't worked . All it accomplishes is to further entrench the divide.

The endless repetition of "Orange man bad" didnt work then and won't work now whether it's half baked conspiracy theories or 30 year old tax returns .

People see Trump as protection from job killing tax and spend liberals ,leftists and globalists

The election will be over the economy and a general sense of well being and security.

Democrats, the party of tax hikes,  big government and identity politics not to mention being dragged further to the left by the marxist fringe are scarcely equipped to win this .

 

The alt right ladies and gentlemen.  It Literally  doesn’t matter that he was found to collude with Russia and break numerous laws.   All the racist rhetoric isn’t even on the list for them. Well I guess it is but it’s under the “pro” side not the con. 

Edited May 13, 20196 yr by The Unknown Poster

8 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

You are one of those "haters". 

I don't think this label (yet again with the labels, why??) is really appropriate.  What does this mean?  If you disagree with someone and their policies, you are automatically a "hater"? Are you then a "hater" of Donald Trump?  Or do you just disagree with his policies and how he conducts himself?  AOC was picked to run in a district that Pelosi described as "a glass of water could win for the Democrats".  So her handlers knew she would win, and also knew that she'd say things that would resonate with a small part of the extreme left.  Why?  And now she's trying to sabotage Joe Biden?  Why?  What are your theories on this?  Instead of jumping on people and telling them that they can't post about Democrats in a US Politics thread (I know it wasn't you that did this), why not discuss the complexities at work here?  Is there a war going on behind closed doors at the DNC?  If so, who is going to win?  Old establishment white guy or someone else more in line with the regressive Left represented by AOC and others?  What are your thoughts on this?

Is this guy a "hater"?  All he is doing is disagreeing with a lot of things that AOC is saying. 

8 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

 

Which is totally cool- that's your opinion. I can totally respect your right to an opinion. 

I just don't understand why pretend to not "get anything"- you are doing yourself a complete disservice.

And by just focusing on Trump's foibles, and not on how to beat Trump in an election, the DNC is doing itself a complete disservice.  But thanks again for the advice.  I truly don't understand the labels, and so when these are applied, like the term "hater", I will always question them, as it is the labelers doing themselves a complete disservice.

Yeah, no fanboy, don't agree, nothing he says makes any sense. sorry.

Nice of you to try and find something worthwhile, but there simply isn't anything there.

The economy.... saying it's great, is a simplistic, two minute news version of what's happening. For many, it's not booming.

 

Edited May 13, 20196 yr by Mark F

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

 

This Zontar character is a piece of work. 

 

Difficult to understand why it’s allowed to be honest. 

Interesting study:

https://www.voterstudygroup.org/publication/two-years-in

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Key Findings

• President Trump’s favorability ratings have been stable over his presidency. Just 15 percent of Americans have changed their view of him at some point in the last two years.
• About half (49 percent) of Americans have at some point in the past two years expressed a favorable opinion of the president. While Trump’s remarkably stable favorability numbers have often been cited as a “floor,” these 49 percent of Americans might represent his “ceiling.”
• While a majority of Obama-Trump voters still have a favorable opinion of the president, no other voting group has shifted away from the president more in the last two years.
• Americans are now more confident about the political and economic outlook of the nation — but this is mostly driven by rising optimism among Republicans.
• Democrats and Republicans prioritize different issues and the partisan gap is largest on climate change.
• Americans say that it is more important for the next president to have particular policy positions than particular demographic characteristics. For example, Americans say it’s more important that the next president advocate for racial and ethnic minorities (69 percent) than that they are a person of color (19 percent).

 

3 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

The alt right ladies and gentlemen.  It Literally  doesn’t matter that he was found to collude with Russia and break numerous laws.   All the racist rhetoric isn’t even on the list for them. Well I guess it is but it’s under the “pro” side not the con. 

Do you know any Americans? The ones I know voted for Trump because they liked Hilary even less.  He was the lesser of two evils to many who were/are frustrated with the status quo of ‘the establishment’ and career politicians. The same thing could happen in Canada. 

40 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

Do you know any Americans? The ones I know voted for Trump because they liked Hilary even less.  He was the lesser of two evils to many who were/are frustrated with the status quo of ‘the establishment’ and career politicians. The same thing could happen in Canada. 

Oh please. 

Its silly to compare the opinions of Americans we know. It makes no difference.  I don’t know what you’re point is.  Are you saying trumps base is not white nationalists?  Are you saying he won because people hated Hilary?  Are you comparing voting for trump on 2016 to what we know of him now? 

Trump didn’t win due to anti Hilary sentiment.  

Edited May 13, 20196 yr by The Unknown Poster

29 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

Do you know any Americans? The ones I know voted for Trump because they liked Hilary even less.  He was the lesser of two evils to many who were/are frustrated with the status quo of ‘the establishment’ and career politicians. The same thing could happen in Canada. 

Do they regret their choice? Honest Question.

I remember telling my Co-worker a few days before the election that trump had an really good chance at winning...  He thought I was crazy. I simply pointed out to the fact MANY people would be voting while holding their noses (for both candidates), I reminded him of how popular Bernie is and why people wanted to vote for him- change from the establishment. I then pointed out trump was a bizzaaro world version of 2016's version of Hope and Change... Hope he doesn't **** up too much and go for Change. 

I don't think Canada would be so ******* stupid.... I would hope we learned from that cheeto hued wanna-b-dictator and the constitutional criss they are in now... but man, I have no faith in the Canadian voters... they voted in Doug Ford...