do or die Posted April 9, 2018 Report Share Posted April 9, 2018 Well, In order to convince a Judge to sign off on multiple warrants, against the personal lawyer to the President of the United States, they must already have an ironclad case against Cohen. There are unconfirmed reports that this relates to money laundering and illegal campaign finances. Mueller would now also.... have a lot of past communications between Cohen and Trump, visa vi past business dealings emanating out of Trump Tower. May need more fire sprinklers..... Who flips first? This guy or Manifort? The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted April 9, 2018 Report Share Posted April 9, 2018 Trump is unhinged!! Hes actually complaining about Clinton and why they aren’t going after her instead of him. Wow. He’s losing it. Says it’s an attack on America. That accusation actually deserves all the evidence found to be released so that the people can see it for themselves. If he did nothing wrong why is he so worried? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted April 9, 2018 Report Share Posted April 9, 2018 Trump: "You'll have to ask Michael Cohen, he is my attorney." Mueller: "Ok, we'll even get that in writing." johnzo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted April 9, 2018 Report Share Posted April 9, 2018 i love this “they found nothing” routine. Mueller has not completed his investigation. When he does he will submit his report. It’s like day 2 of a murder investigation and the killed saying “well they haven’t arrested me yet so just drop the whole thing”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted April 9, 2018 Report Share Posted April 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Mark F said: zounds. Why would anyone in their right mind work forTrump? My wife was an attorney. We watched that interview a couple weeks ago where Cohen's buffoon attorney was getting grilled by Megyn Kelly. Her audience was laughing openly at his assertions that Cohen was just a good guy who just wanted to take care of the boss. When she asked him if Cohen ever threatened people, he said "I have heard that through the grapevine" which is a HILARIOUS thing for your attorney to say on national TV. After my wife was done laughing, she explained that we were looking at the attorney dumb enough to work for a guy who is dumb enough to work for Donald Trump, and that the stupid doesn't add up, it multiplies. Mark F, The Unknown Poster, Wanna-B-Fanboy and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Thing is......Cohen has been Trump's "legal fixer" for a while........., as well as the Executive Vice-President of the Trump Organization and special counsel to Trump. The story states that ......among the records seized by investigators were “protected attorney client communications,”Wonder what other "transactions" are in these records, as well as past communications between him and the Donald? Which Mueller now has.....Big trouble for Agent Orange. PS......the lawyer for Trump's Lawyer.....better get himself.....a lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 6 hours ago, do or die said: Well, In order to convince a Judge to sign off on multiple warrants, against the personal lawyer to the President of the United States, they must already have an ironclad case against Cohen. There are unconfirmed reports that this relates to money laundering and illegal campaign finances. Mueller would now also.... have a lot of past communications between Cohen and Trump, visa vi past business dealings emanating out of Trump Tower. May need more fire sprinklers..... Who flips first? This guy or Manifort? Best part is that the judge who signed the warrants was appointed by Trump. Can't blame Obama for that although he will probably try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Worth noting that the acting U.S. attorney in Manhattan, Geoffrey S. Berman, a Trump appointee..... signed off on this as well. The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Trump is very much like Nixon in feeling that the mere fact he's him and President should protect his bad acts. Its hard to imagine Trump not also creating a Saturday Night Massacre scenario by firing Sessions and Rosenstein and appointing someone who will fire Mueller, creating a constitutional crises. I'd never have faith in this GOP to do the right thing so you have to wonder if Congress would have the support to 1) impeach 2) hire Mueller themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 The scope of this investigation is really getting out of hand, http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43706709 Quote Mr Cohen's ties to Mr Trump run deep. He's more than just a personal lawyer, he's a friend and fixer. He was already on Mr Mueller's radar for his work for the Trump organisation in Russia. Now the scope of his legal concerns may have dramatically expanded. Mr Cohen is under investigation for finance violations relating to the 2016 presidential campaign, The Washington Post reports. Mr Mueller reportedly gave the information involving Mr Cohen to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who then referred the matter to the US attorney for the Southern District of New York, according to Bloomberg News. Justice Department protocol requires Mr Mueller to consult Mr Rosenstein on evidence and subject matter that are beyond his jurisdiction. The whole Russia thing is a red herring, this is now about everything but, that tells me they have nothing on collusion and are desperate to twist as many people as they can to see what leaks out. Pretty sad day of the justice system in a free country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Just now, pigseye said: The scope of this investigation is really getting out of hand, http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43706709 The whole Russia thing is a red herring, this is now about everything but, that tells me they have nothing on collusion and are desperate to twist as many people as they can to see what leaks out. Pretty sad day of the justice system in a free country. Hahahahahahahaha!!!! Hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, pigseye said: The scope of this investigation is really getting out of hand, http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43706709 The whole Russia thing is a red herring, this is now about everything but, that tells me they have nothing on collusion and are desperate to twist as many people as they can to see what leaks out. Pretty sad day of the justice system in a free country. No offense but you have to be a next-level Trump apologist to really believe that. What about the investigation tells you they have nothing on collusion? They have no completed or submitted the report. Why would you want them to ignore potential illegalities? Do you believe it was okay to charge Edwards with campaign fraud but not Trump/Cohen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said: No offense but you have to be a next-level Trump apologist to really believe that. What about the investigation tells you they have nothing on collusion? They have no completed or submitted the report. Why would you want them to ignore potential illegalities? Do you believe it was okay to charge Edwards with campaign fraud but not Trump/Cohen? I have no problem with catching bad guys but this investigation is supposed to be about collusion, not porn stars and finance violations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, pigseye said: I have no problem with catching bad guys but this investigation is supposed to be about collusion, not porn stars and finance violations. Yeah, they were expected to focus on such narrow corruption but now all this other corruption is getting in the way. But seriously, this is why Mueller handed it off to others at the FBI. It's not part of his investigation but he's passing other forms of corruption off. You would prefer that it's not investigated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, pigseye said: I have no problem with catching bad guys but this investigation is supposed to be about collusion, not porn stars and finance violations. Incorrect. The special counsel is authorized (you could argue obligated) to follow any lead in criminality he uncovers. Cohen's payoff is pretty clear and obvious. If he paid of someone with damning evidence of business fraud would it be more reasonable to you? Because it's a porn star its not worth it? We know its valid to explore because of Edwards. Plus, when you consider the amount of women who have accused Trump of harassment, it adds another layer worth exploring. If your position is "yes, root out his illegal acts" but also "but no one should actually investigate" those two dont work together. A special counsel is investigating trump. Not just for Collusion but for the Comey firing and anything else he uncovers. The fear for Trump and Trump's apologists is that he might have to answer, under oath, about the hush money and his relationship with Stormy. But really, why would Trump supporters fear this if there is nothing there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) Well, collusion is one thing. Money laundering, bank and wire fraud, illegal campaign contributions, influence peddling, and sexual misconduct are others. Too say nothing about all of the lies, evasions, mis-representations, falsehoods and deflections. Edited April 10, 2018 by do or die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, do or die said: Well, collusion is one thing. Money laundering, bank and wire fraud, illegal campaign contributions, influence peddling, and sexual misconduct are others. Too say nothing about all of the lies, evasions, mis-representations, falsehoods and deflections. Yup and the public is supposed to ignore all that stuff and only worry about collusion. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardCoreBlue Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Yup and the public is supposed to ignore all that stuff and only worry about collusion. lol Not that I agree but I think some are arguing a sort of an illegal search and seizure type scenario where they shouldn't have looked in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Everybody knows that Putin did this just to screw with Hillary. It starts and ends with them hacking the DNC emails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, HardCoreBlue said: Not that I agree but I think some are arguing a sort of an illegal search and seizure type scenario where they shouldn't have looked in the first place. Only Trump is arguing that. The warrant was signed by three judges, at the behest of the US Attorney and carried out by the FBI. Its more legally vetted than most. Any time a lawyer is served a warrant where his communications with clients is taken, its done with incredibly due care. Its not easy to get that warrant. Oh and the people doing this? Republicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, pigseye said: Everybody knows that Putin did this just to screw with Hillary. It starts and ends with them hacking the DNC emails. Im not sure what that means. But if you mean, using Trump as an agent of Russia, would that not be a darn good reason for a VERY intense investigation? You seem to be agreeing with the Mueller investigation with that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Mueller is a Republican who was appointed by George W. Bush to run the FBI. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, is an Trump appointee Chris Wray, the current director of the FBI. is also a Trump appointee Berman, the U.S. attorney whose office executed the raid, is a former law partner to Rudy Giuliani, of all people and was appointed by Sessions These warrants had to have been approved by officials at the Department of Justice, then a federal judge would have had to review the evidence and sign off on it....... knowing that they would be sanctioning a raid against the personal attorney of a sitting president. This red herring/fishing expedition narrative, in this particular case.......is a complete crock. The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Just now, do or die said: Mueller is a Republican who was appointed by George W. Bush to run the FBI. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, is an Trump appointee Chris Wray, the current director of the FBI. is also a Trump appointee Berman, the U.S. attorney whose office executed the raid, is a former law partner to Rudy Giuliani, of all people and was appointed by Sessions These warrants had to have been approved by officials at the Department of Justice, then a federal judge would have had to review the evidence and sign off on it....... knowing that they would be sanctioning a raid against the personal attorney of a sitting president. This political plot/red herring/fishing expedition narrative, in this particular case.......is a complete crock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said: Im not sure what that means. But if you mean, using Trump as an agent of Russia, would that not be a darn good reason for a VERY intense investigation? You seem to be agreeing with the Mueller investigation with that statement. You need to do some serious homework if you are not familiar with the Putin Clinton relationship when she was secretary of state. Putin vowed revenge and he got it. And I am not suggesting there was any collusion with any of the candidates, this Putin all on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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