The Unknown Poster Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Just now, kelownabomberfan said: Still waiting on Rachel Madcow to release the Trump tax returns she claimed she had in her possession... Still waiting for Trump to release them since he's now the "i want everything out there" President. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 37 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: The Unknown Poster, blue_gold_84, Mark F and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Mark F said: This article has a good summary of previous similar Trump efforts. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/the-many-failed-vindications-of-donald-j-trump/552089/ Great read- thanks for the link Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kelownabomberfan Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Still waiting for Trump to release them since he's now the "i want everything out there" President. LOL - yes exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said: Still waiting on Rachel Madcow to release the Trump tax returns she claimed she had in her possession... I was pretty disappointed when she presented Trumps 2005 tax returns... the lead up to that was very al capone's vaults- like. She is usually much better and well sourced. This piece was well thought out, well sourced and well presented. The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Multiple Trump officials lying about their meetings with Russians Trump requests Comey to lay off General Flynn (who is later indicted) Trump fires Comey over "that Russian thing" Trump attempts to stop Attorney General Sessions.. from recusing himself from Russian investigation Trump attempts to fire Muller, WH lawyer refuses to co-operate. Trump smears Deputy Director of FBI ( McCabe) Trump smears Special Prosecutor (Muller) Trump smears Deputy Attorney General (Rosenstein) Trump hires Christofer Wray as new FBI Director - to supposedly "clean up" the bureau , and is promised a "free hand". Wray asks Trump not to release the Nunes Meno, citing the release procedure as "reckless and dangerous" The Don ignores him, with a drive-by smear and releases it the next day. At some point.....a pattern will appear. The Unknown Poster, bustamente, Wanna-B-Fanboy and 3 others 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, do or die said: Multiple Trump officials lying about their meetings with Russians Trump requests Comey to lay off General Flynn (who is later indicted) Trump fires Comey over "that Russian thing" Trump attempts to stop Attorney General Sessions.. from recusing himself from Russian investigation Trump attempts to fire Muller, WH lawyer refuses to co-operate. Trump smears Deputy Director of FBI ( McCabe) Trump smears Special Prosecutor (Muller) Trump smears Deputy Attorney General (Rosenstein) Trump hires Christofer Wray as new FBI Director - to supposedly "clean up" the bureau , and is promised a "free hand". Wray asks Trump not to release the Nunes Meno, citing the release procedure as "reckless and dangerous" The Don ignores him, with a drive-by smear and releases it the next day. At some point.....a pattern will appear. Sounds like the actions of an innocent man. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 lol, the FBI and DOJ appear to have conspired against the Trump campaign with a dossier paid for by Clinton & Dems. Even if this isn't the case the FBI & DOJ had a duty to reveal that to the judge in the FISA order. Appearance is everything and it looks like Trumps slick legal minds have pulled it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Why would Trump and the WH want even more attention drawn to Carter Page and the Steele Dossier? Given that both, make them look pretty bad. The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: I was pretty disappointed when she presented Trumps 2005 tax returns... the lead up to that was very al capone's vaults- like. . Yeah it was very embarrassing. I actually don't get MSNBC on my satellite so never watch her. Don't get Fox News either. Was able to watch both after the SOTU as I was in Hawaii at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, do or die said: Why would Trump and the WH want even more attention drawn to Carter Page and the Steele Dossier? Given that both, make them look pretty bad. Because Trump supporters and fence sitters will believe it's just a witch-hunt. Drain the Swamp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, do or die said: Why would Trump and the WH want even more attention drawn to Carter Page and the Steele Dossier? Given that both, make them look pretty bad. Quote A 2015 criminal complaint against two suspected Russian spies, Victor Podobnyy and Igor Sporyshev, cited an intercepted conversation about their efforts to recruit a man “working as a consultant in New York City.” Page has acknowledged that he was the man they were referring to, and admitted to passing documents to the Russians. According to CNN, Page was the subject of a secret intelligence surveillance warrant in 2014, well before the beginning of Trump’s presidential campaign. Despite this, Trump identified Page as one of his key foreign policy advisers in March 2016. Didn't Comey, head of the FBI release Clinton Email investigation info a week before the election? Major bombshell announcement, that Possibly more than anything else, got Trump elected. But somehow, Comey is pro Clinton. Bizzarro world. Edited February 2, 2018 by Mark F SPuDS and Wanna-B-Fanboy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 The fact democratic sources are having to reveal reality and this whole thing....the GOP is making themselves complicit in the Russia collision and other Trump crimes. Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 44 minutes ago, do or die said: Why would Trump and the WH want even more attention drawn to Carter Page and the Steele Dossier? Given that both, make them look pretty bad. Just throwing as much noise at this as possible. They know majority of people see it for what it is but it’s about creating false narrative for firing Rosenstein and Mueller. Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Except that the FBI and DOJ knew that Steele was anti-Trump and would do anything to derail his election. Again, it's just the appearance of stacking the deck against Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, pigseye said: Except that the FBI and DOJ knew that Steele was anti-Trump and would do anything to derail his election. Again, it's just the appearance of stacking the deck against Trump. Steel had no idea who his client was when he began his work. He's a respected former Mi6 agent who was hired because of his contacts in Russia. To suggest his dossier was a malicious attempt at screwing Trump is nonsense. Keep in mind the work that led to the dossier was begun by Republicans. Even Bannon had done opposition research on Trump. Multiple FISA judges reviewed the request for a warrant. And regardless, you're missing the single biggest point - the warrant was warranted and bore fruit for investigators. Page admitted his complicity. This is akin to a defense lawyer arguing you cant trust a jail house snitch who was witness to a confession except in this case Steel was respected and elements of his dossier have been shown to be true. Page also wasnt a member of the campaign at the time. But Nunes was. We dont have to argue as to whether he has a conflict of interest. That's obvious. And again, the only bias shown by the FBI was in favour of Trump. Comey, Mccabe, Mueller, Sessions, Rosenstein - all Republicans. But they've all turned on Trump to conspire with the Democrats? Not to mention all the Republicans who have spoken out against Trump. Is that likey? Or is it more likely that these people are doing their jobs and it just so happens that Trump and his team are dirty? JCon and Wanna-B-Fanboy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Follow Seth Abramson on twitter if you want a legal dissection of the memo. Its long so I wont post it. But its enlightening. SPuDS and Wanna-B-Fanboy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Follow Seth Abramson on twitter if you want a legal dissection of the memo. Its long so I wont post it. But its enlightening. A lot of interesting stuff....... but then - it would have to be a lot - to refute the all the serial lying that Trump and the WH, have put out there about the Steele Dossier, and what actually triggered the investigation of Page. Mind you, even laymen can shoot some holes though that memo...... The Unknown Poster and SPuDS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Steele was so concerned with what he found, he passed the information onto the FBI who promptly did nothing. In fact, Steele was convinced that the New York office was deliberately doing nothing with it. The belief was the New York office had a relationship with Rudy Guiliani and was more focused on pushing the Trump agenda of digging into Clinton's emails. What IS true is that the FBI released info about Clinton's emails right before the election that sunk her chances...and shortly after released a statement that there was nothing to the new emails. In other words, there was no reason for the FBI to have gotten involved publicly at all...but that involvement was absolutely to Trump's advantage. Further, if the Steele dossier was part of a conspiracy between the FBI and the Dems, why didnt the FBI simply leak it before the election? Why didnt the Dems? It surely would have impacted Trump. They didnt. Because this was all done on the up and up. Steele went to John McCain, a REPUBLICAN with the dossier. John took it to Comey, another Republican. This is AFTER the election. We can debate collusion because the investigation isnt over yet and Mueller hasnt released his findings. But to suggest the Dossier was a fake or part of some Democrat conspiracy to rig the election for Hilary is laughable. Wanna-B-Fanboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Steel had no idea who his client was when he began his work. He's a respected former Mi6 agent who was hired because of his contacts in Russia. To suggest his dossier was a malicious attempt at screwing Trump is nonsense. Keep in mind the work that led to the dossier was begun by Republicans. Even Bannon had done opposition research on Trump. Multiple FISA judges reviewed the request for a warrant. And regardless, you're missing the single biggest point - the warrant was warranted and bore fruit for investigators. Page admitted his complicity. This is akin to a defense lawyer arguing you cant trust a jail house snitch who was witness to a confession except in this case Steel was respected and elements of his dossier have been shown to be true. Page also wasnt a member of the campaign at the time. But Nunes was. We dont have to argue as to whether he has a conflict of interest. That's obvious. And again, the only bias shown by the FBI was in favour of Trump. Comey, Mccabe, Mueller, Sessions, Rosenstein - all Republicans. But they've all turned on Trump to conspire with the Democrats? Not to mention all the Republicans who have spoken out against Trump. Is that likey? Or is it more likely that these people are doing their jobs and it just so happens that Trump and his team are dirty? Nothing but deep state leftest, global swamp creatures, all paid off by George Soros. If I had not spent time on Brietbart.....would of remained ignorant of these facts. The Unknown Poster and Mark F 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 The memo is unbelievably partisan to the point of lying. It lies about things that the general public would not necessarily know (or know to question). One obvious example is it states gaining a FISA warrant must meet the "highest standard" of proof in the justice system. That's a lie. The opposite is true. FISA requires only probable cause. But this is an attempt to create a narrative - if the FBI only had some idle speculation, then the warrant was not legal. That's simply untrue. The FBI suspected Page of Russian ties way before Trump was a candidate. Was the FBI conspiring with the Democrats years before Trump ran? Come on. Its hilariously bad fiction. Further, the memo states that all relevant and material facts are to be shown to get the warrant. This is also not true. Its common that law enforcement provides what they need and hold back information. But again, this is part of the shockingly partisan nature of the memo that is, at best misleading and at worst an out an out lie. The memo says Steele prepared the dossier on behalf of the DNC. That is not true. He was hired by Fusion and didnt know funding came from the Dems. This is misleading verbiage designed to make people think he was knowingly working as an agent of the Democrats. Fusion worked for a Republican client for 8 months. They had Steele on the case, and funded by Dems for only 30 days when Steele was so concerned by the information he had uncovered that he felt obligated to go to the FBI. But the memo omits that. They want you to think Steele was working wholly for the Dems to get Trump. The "memo" is a campaign ad. Nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) Edited February 2, 2018 by wanna-b-fanboy Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) It's odd how difficult it is for people to see that. And it's the same thing here. Conservative v Liberal party, outside of some issues of religion in politics, and some victimless crime issues, there's virtually no difference between them. Edited February 2, 2018 by Mark F Wanna-B-Fanboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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