Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

They indicted Trump but there are 6 co conspirators who have not been named, legal beagles are saying that Smith wants a speedy trial so they are only charging Trump atm the other will have to wait their turn.

28 minutes ago, bustamente said:

They indicted Trump but there are 6 co conspirators who have not been named, legal beagles are saying that Smith wants a speedy trial so they are only charging Trump atm the other will have to wait their turn.

Trump has promised that, when re-elected, he will pardon everyone associated with the 1/6 attemppted coup as well as anyone convicted in the unfair prosecution of himself. He has even mused that he could pardon himself. The MAGAts are having wet dreams imagining this.

empty wheel

charge text (partial)

Jack Smith likes plain language. for the people who need to have it explained in simple words.

The Defendant lost the 2020 presidential election.

“Despite having lost, the Defendant was determined to remain in power. So for more than two months following election day on November 3, 2020, the Defendant spread lies that there had been outcome-determinative fraud in the election and that he had actually won. These claims were false and the Defendant knew they were false.”

 

also....charged in washington  d.c. 

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Top Trump DOJ Official Was Prepared To Use Insurrection Act To Stay In Power

Jeffrey Clark signaled he was ready to overthrow the government amid “riots in every major city,” according to the latest indictment against the former president.
Jeffrey Clark, a former top Justice Department official under Donald Trump, was prepared to use the Insurrection Act to stay in power despite Trump’s loss in the 2020 presidential election, according to Tuesday’s federal indictment of the former president.

The indictment reveals a stunning Jan. 3, 2021, exchange between Clark, who is referred to as Co-Conspirator 4, and deputy White House counsel Patrick Philbin. Philbin had previously warned Clark in December that “there is no world, there is no option in which you do not leave the White House [o]n January 20th.” He made the point again on Jan. 3 in an effort to dissuade Clark from assuming the role of acting attorney general under a fraudulent Trump presidency.

Philbin warned Clark that if Trump tried to stay in office despite no evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 election, there would be “riots in every major city in the United States.”

Clark replied, “Well, [Phibin], that’s why there’s an Insurrection Act.”

The Insurrection Act, originally enacted in 1792, empowers the president of the United States to deploy the military domestically in certain cases, like suppressing civil disorder or rebellion.

Tuesday’s indictment accuses Clark of having “worked on civil matters and who, with the Defendant, attempted to use the Justice Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud.”

There is no way to look at this other than a coup attempt.

since death penalty is probably too much to hope for, Let's hope that each of these fascists get twenty years in jail.

nothing else will deter these people.

and let's hope that Americans that want a democracy, are better prepared, next time.

 

Edited August 2, 20232 yr by Mark F

48 minutes ago, Mark F said:

There is no way to look at this other than a coup attempt.

since death penalty is probably too much to hope for, Let's hope that each of these fascists get twenty years in jail.

nothing else will deter these people.

and let's hope that Americans that want a democracy, are better prepared, next time.

 

Given the deep divisions within American society at present and how hard many public figures are working to exacerbate this, I am not optimistic that Trump and his co-conspirators will receive much beyond a token slap on the wrists. I fear we are seeing the end of a functional democracy in America.

2 hours ago, Mark F said:

There is no way to look at this other than a coup attempt.

since death penalty is probably too much to hope for, Let's hope that each of these fascists get twenty years in jail.

nothing else will deter these people.

and let's hope that Americans that want a democracy, are better prepared, next time.

 

This needs to be enacted- otherwise, they will be pardoned the next time there is a gop pres.

Edited August 2, 20232 yr by Wanna-B-Fanboy

America has always been deeply divided in a few ways. and very violent.

in the past,  to a greater extent than now.  voting rights, civil rights, somewhat recent for some people there.

black doctor? judge?

unthinkable not long ago.

and what more could they do with Trump and his goons?

show trial, summary conviction and immediate firing squad?

 

They will continue as they always have....and survive as a democracy.

Edited August 2, 20232 yr by Mark F

14 minutes ago, Mark F said:

America has always been deeply divided in a few ways. and very violent.

in the past,  to a greater extent than now.  voting rights, civil rights, somewhat recent for some people there.

black doctor? judge?

unthinkable not long ago.

and what more could they do with Trump and his goons?

show trial, summary conviction and immediate firing squad?

 

They will continue as they always have....and survive as a democracy.

Ezra Klein wrote a book Why We're Polarized that discusses how the political parties in the US are more polarized than ever before. The differences between Republican and Democrat were not always as stark and obvious as they are right now. The stuff that I'm seeing coming out of the US is scary to me and I'm not sure it will just be a bump in the road. They've even had their credit rating downgraded yesterday in large part to political instability and polarization.

Capitol Police issue shelter in place order for US Senate buildings over possible active shooter

U.S. Capitol Police are asking anyone inside a U.S. Senate building to shelter in place over an unconfirmed report of a possible active shooter.

“If you are inside the Senate Buildings, everyone inside should be sheltering in place as the report was for a possible active shooter. It should be noted that we do not have any confirmed reports of gunshots,” the Capitol Police said via social media.  Our officers are searching in and around the Senate Office Buildings in response to a concerning 911 call. Please stay away from the area as we are still investigating. We will continue to communicate with the public here.”

MSNBC’s Garrett Haake on-air stressed also there were no reports of shots fired, and says some staffers were escorted out of the building by Capitol Police, who had “guns drawn.”

3 hours ago, WildPath said:

es how the political parties in the US are more polarized than ever before. T

dont knowmthe book. 

I agree that the two parties are very  far apart. which is a good thing.

the republicans are bare bones, no platform, just tax cuts, guns, racism, deregulation of business, and Some kind of christian dictatorship. thats it. and obstruction. and they have voters , but dwindling numbers of them.  they have been without any actual platform since the nineties. they have been taken over top to bottom, by people who are without values. who have no interest in serving the public good in any way. by liars, and cheats.

 

I think that the current Republican party does not reflect the values of a majority of people down there. they only have power through cheating. gerrymandering and vote supression. they have been losing popular vote for years.

so parties, yeah, but people in general? I think its better now. the good old days were pretty bad for a lot of (black) people.

in the sixties there was segregated schools. 

how can it be worse tham that?

I think media in general reports bad news, controversy, and drama.

there are a lot of good things happening, in America, but you have to look for it. cause it is not in the headlines. 

 

I think they are on a good path finally. the Democrats seem to have finally woken up, and are dealing with the horrendous problems they and we have, dragging the  crazy people along.

just the inflation reduction is a spectacular accomplishment.  projected one trillion us dollars investment in transition to renewable.

 

 

Edited August 2, 20232 yr by Mark F

17 minutes ago, Mark F said:

dont knowmthe book. 

I agree that the two parties are very  far apart. which is a good thing.

the republicans are bare bones, no platform, just tax cuts, guns, racism, and Some kind of christian dictatorship. thats it. and obstruction. and they have voters , but dwindling numbers of them.  they have been without any actual platform since the nineties. they have been taken over by people who are without values. who have no interest in serving the public good in any way. by liars, and cheats.

 

I think that the current Republican party does not reflect the values of a majority of people down there. they only have power through cheating. gerrymandering and vote supression. they have been losing popular vote for years.

so parties, yeah, but people in general? I think its better now.  in the sixties there was segregated schools.  how can it be worse tham that?

I think media in general reports bad news, controversy, and drama.

there are a lot of good things happening, in America, but you have to look for it. cause it is not in the headlines. 

 

I think they are on a good path finally. the Democrats seem to have finally woken up, and are dealing with the horrendous problems they and we have, dragging the  crazy people along. just the inflation reduction is a spectacular accomplishment. 

 

I think you underestimate the amount of diseased minds in the American right wing and their willingness to invoke violence and threats of violence when they do not get their way. There is no middle ground for many of these. In sociology, we were told that once about 15% of a given group has reached a consensus of dissent, that group is de facto no longer a coherent entity and inevitably fractures. I suspect that the individuals given to violence to gain their ends in the USA has reached and even exceeded that number.

2 hours ago, Mark F said:

there are a lot of good things happening, in America, but you have to look for it. cause it is not in the headlines. 

 

I think they are on a good path finally. the Democrats seem to have finally woken up, and are dealing with the horrendous problems they and we have, dragging the  crazy people along.

I hope you are right and I was surprised at the Inflation Reduction Act. I intentionally don't follow what is going on in the US too closely as I see so much disappointment and despair and it leaves me frustrated. To see that a guy like Trump has a chance to lead, again, even with just what has been confirmed publicly, is horrible. Very low regard for democracy.

The parties are definitely polarized, but it seems like people rigidly hold to whatever beliefs the party tells them are important. It is cult-like how people choose to get their values from whatever political party they are part of rather than developing values outside of the political party and voting for a party that fits. I see this happening more in Canada too.

1 hour ago, WildPath said:

I hope you are right and I was surprised at the Inflation Reduction Act. I intentionally don't follow what is going on in the US too closely as I see so much disappointment and despair and it leaves me frustrated. To see that a guy like Trump has a chance to lead, again, even with just what has been confirmed publicly, is horrible. Very low regard for democracy.

The parties are definitely polarized, but it seems like people rigidly hold to whatever beliefs the party tells them are important. It is cult-like how people choose to get their values from whatever political party they are part of rather than developing values outside of the political party and voting for a party that fits. I see this happening more in Canada too.

'I want to pull the lever': Trump supporters issue violent new threats against Pence

"Extremist" supporters of thrice-indicted ex-President Donald Trump are reigniting the January 6th, 2021 rallying cry to "hang Mike Pence" on a right-wing digital forum, Rolling Stone reported on Wednesday.

"Chilling calls for violence against the former vice president were rising to the top of the comments thread" on TheDonald.win following United States Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith's four-federal-felony-count Tuesday indictment of Trump for allegedly conspiring to subvert American democracy, according to Rolling Stone's Tom Dickinson and Jana Winter.

TheDonald.win, Dickinson and Winter noted, "became a hub of plotting for the unrest at the Capitol, and a place where members of the then-Trump administration monitored their success in firing up the base."

NEXT TARGET: Mark Meadows who has apparently "flipped hard" on Trump. Witness protection program coming up?

Don't most of the people that turned on Trump need witness protection?

1 hour ago, iHeart said:

Don't most of the people that turned on Trump need witness protection?

If they have any smarts, that would be part of any plea deal.

Edited August 3, 20232 yr by Tracker

Statement on AP Psychology and Florida

One of Louisiana’s few doctors specializing in pediatric heart conditions is leaving the state after the Legislature passed a variety of bills aimed at restricting rights for LGBTQ people. https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/gay-louisiana-doctor-says-s-leaving-state-discriminatory-legislation-rcna97867

 

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/08/03/expelled-reappointed-tn-rep-justin-jones-re-elected-in-nashville/70508514007/

If the DOJ gets a speedy trial for Trump's latest indictment and I still have my doubts then for the sake of democracy in the United States it needs to be on TV.

Edited August 4, 20232 yr by bustamente

 

So the US appears to want to go back to the days of the north vs south. 

Some of these southern states making it difficult to not see the discrimination or racism.  

funny, not funny

 

 

7 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

 

Absolutely no legal basis for this sort of appeal. Trump believes that the judges he appointed "owe him". Moreover, today he said publicly, "If you are coming after me, I am coming after you". There is little doubt he aimed this comment at the DOJ and all prosecutors and potential witnesses with intent to intimidate them. A bully to the end, and the end for him and his enablers cannot come soon enough.