Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

6 minutes ago, pigseye said:

I will gladly debate any topic with you, when you grow up and prove that you can actually debate the topic. 

Okay, Boomer. Go activate that ignore feature now. ******* Trump Pawn.

6 minutes ago, JCon said:

And that's why they like Trump. He doesn't care about facts or science, he goes with what he feels, which, of course, flies in the face of facts and science. 

They like being dumb. It's "who" they are. 

This is probably the most inflammatory thing I have seen written on here in a long time. Real prickish stuff. 

1 minute ago, do or die said:

Well, Trump said Monday that he would reveal a “major” and “dramatic” stimulus proposal Tuesday, but today his economic adviser Larry Kudlow was trotted out .....and Kudlow proceeded to dodge all questions on when Trump’s proposal would come out, how big it would be, and when he could sign a potential stimulus plan.

In the meantime....the DOW dropped another 1500 points

Kudlow said just a couple of weeks ago that the virus was on lock down and going away. 

There is zero confidence from business in this administration. They've bungled this from the start. 

I wonder if the Emperor will be golfing this weekend? 

3 minutes ago, pigseye said:

You do realize that he is just a product of what he is being fed, like you are, and I am and everyone else is. 

He is, yes.  SOme people eat what their fed and love it.  others seek out more valuable sustenance.  

Trump tweeting today:

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“Saudi Arabia and Russia are arguing over the price and flow of oil. That, and the Fake News, is the reason for the market drop!”

Good, I was just starting to get worried about this here virus thing.

One would have to compare the US response to how other countries have responded, just to be fair. 

1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said:

He is, yes.  SOme people eat what their fed and love it.  others seek out more valuable sustenance.  

I detect a hint of superiority in that egg salad. 

A lot of gristle, round these parts....

9 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Here's 11 racists for you, and I guess Trump makes 12? 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/would-a-president-trump-m_b_10135836

I'm not going to bother with the rest of subjective qualifications. 

OK, so on the stand alone "racist" card we are down from 90% to under 27%.

So now please add the "serial sex abuser" and criminal moron" factors. Remember, Trump hit all 3 criteria in that subjective post, and since you said it fits 90% of all US presidents you inherently agree with that characterization of Trump as all 3, and just want to normalize it. So, of the list of 11 others, who is the serial sex abuser as well? George W? Wilson? Reagan? One divorce does not make a serial sex abuser, IMO. Who is also the moron? FDR? Jefferson? Eisenhower?

Please bother with the rest of your subjective qualifications, since you are willing to debate "if we grow up". Or retract your claim.

Eisenhower liked to dress in ladies clothing and start shaking his eyes....

Just now, TrueBlue4ever said:

OK, so on the stand alone "racist" card we are down from 90% to under 27%.

So now please add the "serial sex abuser" and criminal moron" factors. Remember, Trump hit all 3 criteria in that subjective post, and since you said it fits 90% of all US presidents you inherently agree with that characterization of Trump as all 3, and just want to normalize it. So, of the list of 11 others, who is the serial sex abuser as well? George W? Wilson? Reagan? One divorce does not make a serial sex abuser, IMO. Who is also the moron? FDR? Jefferson? Eisenhower?

Please bother with the rest of your subjective qualifications, since you are willing to debate "if we grow up". Or retract your claim.

Yup, I consider all politicians to be corrupt in some way, they are all beholden to some interest group, so I would submit that all 41 presidents were criminal in some way, shape or form. As for serial sexual abusers, that standard has evolved so much recently, 20 years ago, you could pinch or slap a butt as I am sure every president has done. So I rest my case. 

Pigseye:

25 minutes ago, pigseye said:

I will gladly debate any topic with you, when you grow up and prove that you can actually debate the topic. 

Also Pigseye:

28 minutes ago, pigseye said:

I reject the article because CNN is nothing more than an anti-Trump mouth piece. Pot meet kettle. 

 

52 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Since all those qualifications are subjective only, and can't be quantified, I stand by 90% figure as my "best guess" 

 

1 hour ago, pigseye said:

I would present you with sources but you'd just declare them as invalid because they didn't come from your approved list of propaganda outlets. 

 

Again, Pigseye:

"when you grow up and prove that you can actually debate the topic."

And also Pigseye:

1 hour ago, pigseye said:

Not my fault if can't read a peer reviewed scientific study, or don't understand the actual science, finish school first Greta, then come back. 

 

3 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Yup, I consider all politicians to be corrupt in some way, they are all beholden to some interest group, so I would submit that all 41 presidents were criminal in some way, shape or form. As for serial sexual abusers, that standard has evolved so much recently, 20 years ago, you could pinch or slap a butt as I am sure every president has done. So I rest my case. 

Well, your case was 90%, so now that it is 27% it is hardly rested, unless you've conceded the wild exaggeration from the beginning. I'll accept that all presidents have power and make decisions for national interests that would be considered morally unethical if not criminal if undertaken by the average citizen, but the qualification was "moronic criminal" (I've even left out the "dangerous" qualifier for you). So who was the moron? And show me the documented cases of butt pinch/slap/harassment that would rise to the level of serial sex abuser like the standard Trump is being held to. Remember, you want to normalize and dismiss Trump's behaviour by saying 90% of presidents were like that, so you have to back up that claim. Not enough to say "I'm sure it happened, so there is my evidence, case closed" unless you want the judge to come back with a verdict against your client for lack of evidence. Show your work, please, or retract your 90% claim as trolling.

18 minutes ago, do or die said:

Eisenhower liked to dress in ladies clothing and start shaking his eyes....

I thought that was J Edgar Hoover. Huh....

Edited March 11, 20205 yr by TrueBlue4ever

1 hour ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

I thought that was J Edgar Hoover. Huh....

Hoover traveled with his own personal uh, "harem"

1 hour ago, johnzo said:

I guess if you think that all problems reduce to just writing a cheque in the right amount, you could believe that.

 

But money is the "gotcha" point you used..

As far as governmental red tape and beurocratic mismangement surely youre not suggesting this was invented in 2016 ? Surely youre not ignoring state and city governments, many of which arent republican,  have a role to play?

Surely youre not ignoring how globalism, which both parties worship, has robbed countries of the ability to be more self sufficient in extraordinary times like this.

Exploiting a crisis like this to score points is despicable but not surprising.

1 minute ago, Zontar said:

But money is the "gotcha" point you used..

As far as governmental red tape and beurocratic mismangement surely youre not suggesting this was invented in 2016 ? Surely youre not ignoring state and city governments, many of which arent republican,  have a role to play?

Surely youre not ignoring how globalism, which both parties worship, has robbed countries of the ability to be more self sufficient in extraordinary times like this.

Exploiting a crisis like this to score points is despicable but not surprising.

But but but whataboutism 

by the way the people talking about Coronavirus are not exploring it.  The idiot in the White House having Secret meetings and telling people to go to work and calling it a hoax is the one exploiting.  And we agree, that’s despicable 

Trump will talk to the nation tonight and tell them it's not his fault that the professionals are not listening to a stable genius and he would of figured out a vaccine months ago and then circle back to the virus is a hoax and will disappear  any moment now and them will look straight into the camera and say that people dying is fake news, but he has to go cause he has got a rally to get to followed by a weekend of golf.

 

2 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

Well, your case was 90%, so now that it is 27% it is hardly rested, unless you've conceded the wild exaggeration from the beginning. I'll accept that all presidents have power and make decisions for national interests that would be considered morally unethical if not criminal if undertaken by the average citizen, but the qualification was "moronic criminal" (I've even left out the "dangerous" qualifier for you). So who was the moron? And show me the documented cases of butt pinch/slap/harassment that would rise to the level of serial sex abuser like the standard Trump is being held to. Remember, you want to normalize and dismiss Trump's behaviour by saying 90% of presidents were like that, so you have to back up that claim. Not enough to say "I'm sure it happened, so there is my evidence, case closed" unless you want the judge to come back with a verdict against your client for lack of evidence. Show your work, please, or retract your 90% claim as trolling.

Just tell me when you want me to stop

https://www.newsweek.com/how-many-presidents-have-been-accused-sexual-assault-692766

https://www.businessinsider.com/president-sex-scandal-history-2018-3

https://www.voanhttps://soapboxie.com/us-politics/Sexual-Affairs-by-US-Presidents

https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/Sexual-Affairs-by-US-Presidents

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/these-are-the-presidents-who-violated-the-constitution-and-how-donald-trump-compares.html/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122523872418278233

https://www.wnd.com/2016/11/obama-claims-presidents-have-power-to-violate-constitution/

https://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/a-list-of-obamas-constitutional-violations/52988

 

 

2 hours ago, pigseye said:

Yup, I consider all politicians to be corrupt in some way, they are all beholden to some interest group, so I would submit that all 41 presidents were criminal in some way, shape or form. As for serial sexual abusers, that standard has evolved so much recently, 20 years ago, you could pinch or slap a butt as I am sure every president has done. So I rest my case. 

Yeah, that is the same as pinning someone down and forcibly raping them. go rest that case some more.

2 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Yeah, that is the same as pinning someone down and forcibly raping them. go rest that case some more.

I already admitted that the definition has evolved, but as it stands right now, I don't even have to touch you to be accused of sexual abuse. 

FFS

The US is infected with something a lot worse than Coronavirus. Potential cure coming in November.  

Jared Kushner:  World expert health professional.  
Probably knows almost as much as the stable genius. 
Grateful that he could take time off, from ensuring peace in the Middle East

Edited March 12, 20205 yr by do or die

http://Alex Jones promotes toothpaste he claims 'kills' coronavirus; FDA warns it's fraudulent

Had some interaction with this guy, a number of years ago.
Fraudulent conspiracy theorist, with one of the most whacked out "news sites" ever - Infowars.

Why am I not surprised?

 

Wrote this on Facebook today, just in case people ever wonder why I engage with political discussions with strangers on the internet, and why these issues are personal to me. Context is a lot of left wingers in my circles being grumpy at Joe Biden's sudden phoenix-like rise in the Dem primary.  most of the audience for this is American.

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Hey folks, one thing you should know about me is that I am an immigrant who married into America and the trumpist rhetoric and action on immigration targets me pretty directly.

but I'm legit! I followed the rules! Doesn't matter. Green cards are taking years to renew. folks are being deported for technicalities on naturalization paperwork. I am legally obligated to carry my green card on me at all times and to share my immigration status with law enforcement. It's not so bad in Seattle but man I am not super keen on driving through Texas anytime soon.

and of course since I'm a big old white guy, whiter than Kenny G sitting in on a Rock Band game with Steven Colbert and Rush, I'm not targeted with nearly as much enthusiasm as others. I get anxiety, others get terror.

so if you need a reason to hold your nose and vote for Biden in the general, you can have that from me. Maybe there is no difference between the major parties to you, but there is to me.

and ****, I don't even know how much better Biden will be. Obama was no hell on immigration enforcement; he ramped that **** up. but at least those Dems didn't campaign on a "let's finally give the job-snatching parasites among us a good native-born *******" stance like Trump did to roaring applause. Trump makes nice Americans mean and ugly Americans into creatures of greek legend. That he represents the id of a bunch of pissed-off voters is a legit indictment of this country and it's a problem that's about way more than him.

dude is just a symptom .... but the first phase of fighting any disease is to get the symptoms under control because it's not the disease that kills you. It's the symptoms.

And let me reiterate that to me, the harm is theoretical and I don't dwell on it endlessly. To folks in less privileged positions it is about secret police and no-knock goon raids, indefinite detention, deportation to "home" countries in which one has never lived, kafkaesque laws, all that good stuff that America oughtn't be good at.

(even the laws for legal immigrants are vague and empirical and have lots of grey areas that say "officer's discretion." that's the real frightening bit, the voids in the law that let these creeps run amok, making it even more critical that we elect the lesser creep)

anyway, I love you all and I was really looking forward to seeing Bernie give this country a little taste of modernity. because who knows what happens then? Seeing this country catch fire for a little bit of single-payer or income redistribution would be ******* sweet, though the backlash from the bosses would be intense. I lived through Ontario in the 1990s, I know what the establishment does to left wingers who rise too far.