Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

1 minute ago, pigseye said:

He was impeached because he was charged with crimes, who is going to charge Trump with crimes? 

What part of impeachment do you not understand. 

1 minute ago, Mark F said:

Democrats aren't trying hard enough.

With Trump at around 50% approval and a positive economy trying impeachment for innuendo of obstruction of a crime that never happened ?

Trump voters already believe the fix was in for removal an impeachment attempt will light another fire.

Leftists worried about a populist surge in 2020? Just try impeachment and they won't know what hit them.

Just now, pigseye said:

So you are fine with impeachment against a president who hasn't been charged criminally.

And you have the nerve to say I have shown my true colors. 

What???  Dude. You have no idea how or why impeachment is a thing.  Clinton was impeached in the house. He wasn’t charged criminally. 

Just now, Zontar said:

With Trump at around 50% approval and a positive economy trying impeachment for innuendo of obstruction of a crime that never happened ?

Trump voters already believe the fix was in for removal an impeachment attempt will light another fire.

Leftists worried about a populist surge in 2020? Just try impeachment and they won't know what hit them.

Oh so you don’t mind if the president is a criminal as long as he’s your criminal. Gotcha. 

Hey how about those  emails though right lol

Just now, The Unknown Poster said:

What???  Dude. You have no idea how or why impeachment is a thing.  Clinton was impeached in the house. He wasn’t charged criminally. 

The charges were brought which started the impeachment process, the senate cleared him of the charges and didn't remove him from office. It is you who think impeachment is something taken lightly and can be done against a president for bad behavior alone. 

1 minute ago, pigseye said:

The charges were brought which started the impeachment process, the senate cleared him of the charges and didn't remove him from office. It is you who think impeachment is something taken lightly and can be done against a president for bad behavior alone. 

You need to do your homework. 

The president  cannot be charged criminally.   It’s the duty of congress to hold a president accountable. 

Clinton was “charged” ie the house brought articles of impeachment against him. The house approved and thus he was impeached.  He was acquitted in the senate when the republican majority found him not guilty (every Dem and several republicans acquitted). 

 

9 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Oh so you don’t mind if the president is a criminal as long as he’s your criminal. Gotcha. 

Hey how about those  emails though right lol

Mueller investigation was supposed to find crime.

Anti Trumpers and various leftists staked everything on it.

Mueller , to their fustration, found none.

Cue outrage and hysteria.

That is why you're so upset and scouring every crack pot leftist on twitter who thinks hes found something in the report for solace.

And why now Plan B is impeachment.

Try and make some lemonade out of the lemons left.

Edited April 19, 20196 yr by Zontar

1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said:

You need to do your homework. 

The president  cannot be charged criminally.   It’s the duty of congress to hold a president accountable. 

Clinton was “charged” ie the house brought articles of impeachment against him. The house approved and thus he was impeached.  He was acquitted in the senate when the republican majority found him not guilty (every Dem and several republicans acquitted). 

 

And in this case, the AG and DOJ have already stated that their isn't enough evidence to bring charges, so why would congress bring the charges to start the impeachment, if no other reason than partisan mud slinging? 

2 minutes ago, pigseye said:

And in this case, the AG and DOJ have already stated that their isn't enough evidence to bring charges, so why would congress bring the charges to start the impeachment, if no other reason than partisan mud slinging? 

The AG who was brought in by Trump cuz the other guy sessions said the president isnt above the law? Cmon

American History X has nothing on some of the posts in this thread.. 

The White man marches on.

Just now, Goalie said:

The AG who was brought in by Trump cuz the other guy sessions said the president isnt above the law? Cmon

So the AG and DOJ are so crooked that they would look past the law to save a president? This just doesn't happen in the real world folks, you are being led to water by the leftist media only to be found that you can't drink. Just like during the Muelle investigation itself. 

1 minute ago, Goalie said:

American History X has nothing on some of the posts in this thread.. 

The White man marches on.

It was only a matter of time before someone brought the 'old, white, male, capitalist, pig, responsible for all social ills since the start of the industrial revolution' argument back into the fold. Classic fall back position of the left when else has failed. 

14 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Mueller investigation was supposed to find crime.

Anti Trumpers and various leftists staked everything on it.

Mueller , to their fustration, found none.

Cue outrage and hysteria.

That is why you're so upset and scouring every crack pot leftist on twitter who thinks hes found something in the report for solace.

And why now Plan B is impeachment.

Try and make some lemonade out of the lemons left.

actually he said he found plenty of crimes but didn't have the authority to act on them, so he did what he could and prepared the report so that congress could act on those crimes as they saw fit. 

I mean christ there is a direct quote that says if they could have exonerated the president they would have, but they couldn't exonerate him so it's up to congress to pursue charges. 

You set up this ridiculous expectation without being grounded in reality at all. Trump is guilty as ****, it's laid out in the report, just a matter of what political games get played now. If justice was as blind as she is supposed to be there would be charges a plenty, but it's all politics down there right now. 

10 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

actually he said he found plenty of crimes but didn't have the authority to act on them, so he did what he could and prepared the report so that congress could act on those crimes as they saw fit. 

I mean christ there is a direct quote that says if they could have exonerated the president they would have, but they couldn't exonerate him so it's up to congress to pursue charges. 

You set up this ridiculous expectation without being grounded in reality at all. Trump is guilty as ****, it's laid out in the report, just a matter of what political games get played now. If justice was as blind as she is supposed to be there would be charges a plenty, but it's all politics down there right now. 

Special prosecutors do not lay charges. They also do not "exonerate ". They can only recommend.  And even then the FBI can ignore it or use and lay charges.

The reason no charges were laid or will be laid because there is no case for collusion for the simple fact it never happened.

And laying charges of obstruction for charges on treason that never happened is a dog of a case that no self respecting law enforcement body would touch with a ten foot pole.

Precisely why the focus is on impeachment and not on more FBI involvement because it can still go forward without bona fide criminal idictments

Trump's enemies tried for removal..now they're going with an embarrassment of impeachment as consolation prize.

When life gives you lemons etc..

Edited April 19, 20196 yr by Zontar

3 minutes ago, Zontar said:

The reason no charges were laid or will be laid because there is no case for collusion for the simple fact it never happened.

No, the reason for no charges is this ridiculous idea down there that you can't charge a sitting president. Full stop. They've already charged a pile of other people for things related to it. 

Collusion happened, go look at the report, obstruction happened, go look at the report.... but nothing is done because there is a belief that the president is above the law. 

So the way it has to happen then is congress has to impeach the president to move forward with anything. 

It's really quite simple, but anyone who says there's no crimes is just being wilfully ignorant. 

If you really believe there is no collusion go find me something that shows that and don't hide behind this straw man argument that no charges = no collusion. Even ******* Trump has flipped. Remember when Barr released his summary and Trump was all "total exoneration! No collusion!" and now that the thing is out there redacted and all he's "Presidential harassment!" "18 angry deomcrats!" "Witch hunt! Lies! Fake News!"

53 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Trying to over turn an election because Trump ruined a coronation they were told  by a sympathetic media was a 99% certainty ?

Thanks for the fox talking points- how about addressing the Mueller report. 

If you want to find out more about AG Barr and some of his finding in the past just google him, it's obvious why he was hired, also turns out a lot of the fake news that was touted by Trump turned out to be true, not only is Trump a POS but he and many of his staff in his administration are flat out liars.

More Trump supporters in the news

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Lately, Donald Trump fans have enjoyed attacking left-leaning Americans. Last year, for instance, Miami-area resident Cesar Sayoc sent pipe bombs to prominent liberals across the nation and went to jail. Today another South Florida man was arrested, this time for allegedly threatening to kill four Democrats.

Federal authorities today announced that John Kless, a 49-year-old resident of Tamarac in Broward County, called three Democrats at their Washington, D.C. offices April 16 and left voicemail messages threatening murder. The lawmakers included California Congressman Eric Swalwell, Detroit Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib, and New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker.

In all three messages, Kless referenced his hatred for Minnesota Congresswoman Ilhan Omar — repeatedly calling her a "towel head" and a member of the Taliban. 

In two of the three voicemails, Kless defended President Trump and told lawmakers to stop criticizing him.

 

another Trump supporter. Threatening to murder people who criticize their hero.

 

Edited April 19, 20196 yr by Mark F

17 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Thanks for the fox talking points- how about addressing the Mueller report. 

Mueller report was supposed to rectify the injustice of Hillary losing and Trump winning. Which is why the #Resistance, Never Trumpers and partisan media pedaled the collusion hoax hard for over two years. It was supposed to be the silver bullet. 

Now that it isn't they're pouring over the rubble to try and cobble another narrative to run with rather than simply admit collusion was a myth , Democrats and media were incredibly out of touch with voters , journalstic standards went out the window and Hillary ran a horrible campaign.

Edited April 19, 20196 yr by Zontar

2 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Mueller report was supposed to rectify the injustice of Hillary losing and Trump winning. Which is why the #Resistance, Never Trumpers and partisan media pedaled the collusion hoax hard for over two years. It was supposed to be the silver bullet. 

it's not about Hillary losing, it's about the criminality of Trump. It's about holding the elite and politicians to account for their actions. 

Especially as a Canadian I don't really give a **** who wins an election in the states, their system is bullshit anyway when a choice between 2 people can have the person who receives less votes win the presidency anyway, but this is all about seeing justice done. 

The Democrats lost the election themselves choosing Hillary as their nominee despite how utterly un-electable she was as president. She might have been qualified and a popular choice withing the party, but the general public was not going to pick her. Her image was just so poor. 

However that doesn't change the fact that Trump is a wannabe mob boss who is compromised and committed crimes and needs to be held accountable. 

I question Democrats are going to do the right thing here for political reasons, and we know the GOP will put party over anything else and protect Trump, but the Democrats in congress need to impeach Trump just so that no one else is allowed to get away with it. Next time it might not be a bumbling buffoon like Trump. 

5 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Mueller report was supposed to rectify the injustice of Hillary losing and Trump winning. Which is why the #Resistance, Never Trumpers and partisan media pedaled the collusion hoax hard for over two years. It was supposed to be the silver bullet. 

Now that it isn't they're pouring over the rubble to try and cobble another narrative to run with rather than simply admit collusion was a myth , Democrats and media were incredibly out of touch with voters , journalstic standards went out the window and Hillary ran a horrible campaign.

is this fact or are you just stating your opinion here? I can't tell. Please clarify. 

7 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

is this fact or are you just stating your opinion here? I can't tell. Please clarify. 

They are facts. Little or no self reflection of Democrats or media on why and how the slam dunk to be president Hillary lost and jokey fringe candidate Trump won.

Instead they went with collusion hoax to explain her defeat and lazy, partisan media incompetence.

And doubling down on it even after its blown up in their faces.

Edited April 19, 20196 yr by Zontar

1 hour ago, pigseye said:

So you are fine with impeachment against a president who hasn't been charged criminally.

And you have the nerve to say I have shown my true colors. 

You can't charge a sitting president. 

You can only impeach.

 

So yeah most people that understand the law would be ok with that regardless of their true colours. 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Zontar said:

They are facts. Little or no self reflection of Democrats or media on why and how the slam dunk to be president Hillary lost and jokey fringe candidate Trump won.

Instead they went with collusion hoax to explain her defeat and lazy, partisan media incompetence.

And doubling down on it even after its blown up in their faces.

Ok, so then your opinion then. I respect your right to say that- I disagree.

Edited April 19, 20196 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

What part of impeachment do you not understand. 

All of it apparently.