Mr. Perfect

I've always been more of a fan of a power running back. Marshall seems to have that. I really hope he's back in camp next season.

Prices have gone up every year since at least 2000. I had seasons for nine years, and then went in with after that until I moved. I'm sure it goes beyond 2000. It's the nature of running a business, especially with the increased demand of hosting the Grey Cup.

He sure did with his 50 per cent completion percentage.... 6/12 in the game, 11/22 on the season and people are comparing him to one of the best QB's to play football for this organization. I can't even...There's a very good reason why coaches coach, scouts are scouts, and fans are fans. The quoted statement is a prime example.

What he said.

Win or lose there was no reason not to be in high spirits. This team has significantly more pieces than it did last year. One win or one loss doesn't change that. It's about being realistic. We're precisely where we should be coming off of a three win year last season. No one is saying it's all sunshine and rainbows. We know there is still lots of work to be done, but ending the season with a win is a nice touch. As for quarterback, Drew Willy is still QB1 here, and he holds the position easily heading into next season as well.

We win on Labour Day and the home game against Hamilton easily if he plays. I'm sure there are a few others where we were in second and long all game that he would have prevented.

Willy will be fine. You don't "forget" per se how to play football. Marve is still very green. He does some things well, there's no disputing that. That being said, he takes a lot of risks, and those aren't always going to turn out in our favour. Happy to have both on our team. We are in a very good position under centre.

Considering (in my opinion anyway) that if Cotton plays the whole season we're likely 9-9, I'd say it's certainly attainable.

It's a process. To become an elite team, we're likely another two years away. Expectations will be for a playoff birth next year, especially with hosting the Grey Cup. We added good pieces last off-season. We'll do that again.

Not in the least. We improved by four wins this season. If the team improves on their record again, and there's no reason to believe that we won't, O'Shea won't be going anywhere.

Considering we won three games last year, seven is a significant improvement. Have to keep the expectations realistic. Well done.

There is still a large difference between what organizations do internally and say externally to the media. Words are cheap, and in this day and age organizations keep things closer to their vest. I'd be willing to bet that O'Shea, Walters, and Miller aren't at all happy with the way this season has turned out, and are already planning on how to start addressing these things going forward. There are multiple reasons not to to divulge these things in the media, some of them including tipping your hate to the 8 other teams in the league as well as leaving your options open as your plan changes and evolves as you evaluate going forward. Actions will always speak louder then words. And we really won't know what the leaders of this organization think or where they see problems until training camp next year when we see who they kept, who they released, and where they brought in talent. Whatever is said now is really just lip service, whatever is said. Given what we know about O'Shea from his time as a player does anyone here actually think that he's not the most pissed off guy out there about how the season ended? That dude was super competitive and I guarantee he is not happy with the way the season ended. Absolutely. Anyone who thinks otherwise obviously didn't pay attention to O'Shea during his playing career. This isn't sitting well with him, you can bet your bottom dollar on that. As disappointed as we all are to miss out, considering the hours and effort he puts in, he's more disappointed.

As I've said before, and it's not a difficult concept to understand - The message O'Shea presents to the media, and the internal (and true message by the way) message are two entirely different things. There's decisions/ideas that I'm sure he, and other staffers would like a do-over on, but saying that in the media serves no beneficial purpose whatsoever. If someone truly thinks O'Shea sees no problems, I frankly don't know what to say to you. This team will get better, and it has the right head coach and management to do so.

Quoted for truth.

Passing yards is the most overrated stat that there is. Right, because all you need to do is go through your progressions, make the correct read, deliver a good ball, all the while having upwards of four or more people trying to take your head off every single play, and in the process hoping your receiver does his job properly by running the correct route and catching the ball while someone else is trying to take his head off as well or deflect the ball to prevent the completion....Unbelievable.

Lets be honest, it was still crap though. We've gone from a moist pile of crap with a few chunks in it to full on diarrhea this season.

Actually what Lawless said was that Walters should sign Heenan, which we all know (the intelligent ones anyway) the chances of that happening are slim and none. If Heenan does test free agency, he'll be there about as long as Josh Bourke was before Montreal re-signed him.

Not true in the least. Last year his completion percentage was under 60 percent, and he nearly threw 20 picks (18 to be exact). Yes he did finish second in yards passing with just over 4,200 yards, but when you consider that Drew Willy is just shy of 3,800 yards, coupled with the fact that he's missed a full game, plus halves against Edmonton and B.C., and that we still have a game to play, Willy would have thrown for more yards than Reilly last year. Bottom line: Willy is exactly where he should be as a first year starter.

I've said in a number of conversations with friends that starting 5-1 was the worst thing that could have happened to this team because of the fanbase. People were saying in May they'd be happy with 6 wins which is exactly what we have but because of our start, the overwhelming majority of the fan base got unrealistic expectations about the remainder of the season.

This thread...

If anyone thinks that by having Marve start this week, it means anything for next year, they're sorely mistaken. Marve could throw for 400 yards and 5 touchdowns and all it means is that the media will have some ammunition for when they conjure up their articles this offseason about a QB controversy. Willy is still QB1 going into next year, he's earned the reps, he deserves the reps and even if he's dinged up, beaten down and it ends up in a big loss for us, it's still all part of the process we need to be prepared to go through as fans. Because the end result will be a properly developed star QB. Period. You have to be Kidding ? Ryan Dinwiddie says hi. How did things work out for him and us after that Calgary game? One good game does not make a great quarterback.

Aside from the fact that Willy is in his first year as a starter and needs all the reps he can get, and has just shy of seven months to completely recover from whatever ailments he may currently be dealing with after Saturday....agreed completely...

The idiocy of this fan base sometimes...

Better chance he gets cut in the off-season when some bonus or another is due. Do you have a copy of his contract?

Yup.. Threats of violence always make your point more valid.. Smh. No - thats more frustration I get what he's saying. It can be infuriating when a 'fan' only see's what they want to see. Willy had all kinds of time to throw, he had receivers open. It was hilarious, on the telecast, Suitor tried to make a point that all the receivers were covered. The 'short' receiver was about 6 yards underneath the coverage, but of course Suits was on a roll so he said he was 'covered'. About 10 minutes of game time after that, Beck got the snap, turned, and fired a dart to Gore I believe it was, who was 'wide open' just like the bomber receiver was above, only the bomber defender was about 3 yards off him. It's amazing all the apologists there are for Drew 'freakin' Willy. At least more fans are finally starting to see what I've been seeing since mid-August. He hasn't nearly been good enough, and tonight was his worst start yet (but low an behold he finally threw another TD pass). But yeah, I get his frustration. Unless you know what the read progression is on the play that is called, it is impossible to say "he had receivers open." Probably the biggest fallacy in football from a fans point of view, when everyone goes "hey, that guy is open!" Ya, but it's the QB's 6th read, and the by the time the ball gets to him the DB or LB is going to completely fill in the "opening" most of the time. About as dumb as the people who yell "shoot" all the time on the powerplay at a hockey game. Perfectly explained. It's really not that difficult of a concept for people to grasp.