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Don't know that I agree with that. He's got plenty of competition from the rest of the defense. Washington gets a mention, Leggett probably deserves a mention, a healthy Sears might get a mention too. Wild for my money is just a damned solid football player too. This D has a lot of talent on it. Say what you will about Mack but the man knew how to find americans who could play in this league. Not so good at picking coaches, but as a talent finder he brought a lot of good pieces to this team.

How? Suicide pass by Ray.

Weren't you the one who lost it when I said that we were a well-coached .500 team and Esks were 'for real'...? I called you out on the stupid comment about the Bombers.

if you look up ****** bag in the dictionary they got his picture

when were they not legit? Seems to me everyone knew they had a tough defense. I still don't see much out of the offense other than the couple big plays. But it works for them for now.

He doesn't look that impressive either. Couple big runs from Edmonton players and a defensive TD. That team is a pretty lucky team in that they just seem to make a lot of big plays. They really are the 2011 Bombers come again. Defense that gets turnovers and a couple big plays out of the offense.

Did you see the play early in the game where Grigsby stopped before he hit the line of scrimmage and was tackled for a loss? That was absolutely embarassing. At least Cotton was running forward. Hell the play he got dropped hard by Hebert at least he picked up 8 yards first. If that was Grigsby he would have got maybe 3 or 4 cause a guy would have got a hand on him coming through the initial hole. Grigsby went back in during the 4th quarter and actually stopped ******* around going sideways and running tentative. He actually started to make a decision and commit to it and ran with more authority and go figure he made some plays. I question whether he can do that all the time or not, but if he can then good, but if not I like the way Cotton runs better. Overall I think the biggest issue with the running game last night was the play calling. They did very little to actually give the backs a chance until late in the game, but I can not stand a running back who is seemingly afraid of contact. Of course I saw it. They've both been guilty of it. Cotton's stood out more though considering the down and distance and how he attacked it. As time goes on, it seems more and more like we have B level running backs, though giving credit where it's due Grigsby cut out the east/west garbage in the fourth quarter and was key in pulling out the win. That 2nd and 2 though I have a hard time really saying that Cotton didn't put the effort in, He got to the line and had a guy on his ankle and more coming in, he wasn't going to get much out of that one anyway. I just want to see the guy get a proper workload so we can actually see what he can do. 2 big runs from Grigsby in the 4th quarter doesn't make him any better than he has been and 4 carries in the game for cotton doesn't tell us much of anything about his ability either.

You know what a screen pass is right? Every time you were bitching about that in the chat room it was on a play where the als were letting guys get in the backfield then dumping the ball in behind them. That's no on Dunn, that's on Montreal taking advantage of the blitz with a play designed to exploit it. Not much Dunn can do but stop and get his hands up. He's not getting to the qb so try and disrupt the throw any way possible. You don't like it take it up with Etch. That's my point. When you send your LB, he needs to get to the the QB fast otherwise you get victimized by the screen... Wild was good at that when he was OLB, Sherman is pretty good at it, Dunn is not. He ends up too deep for contain but doesn't get any real pressure either. you can't get to the qb fast when he's just back pedalling to set up that very play. The problem here isn't Dunn, it's that the other team sees the play coming a mile away and has a play called to counter it. I know you're not a fan of Etch's schemes - but when executing that play, you need Brandon Isaac or a Craig Butler type, someone who can come in like a bullet and commit to pursuit. Dunn runs, pauses, runs, pauses... the Grigsby of linebackers. I'm just not a fan of the way he plays, would way rather see Wild-Kromah-Sherman(Sears) on the field for the whole game and there's the crux of the issue, you just don't like the guy for some unknown reason. He's a fine player. The problem is that play is designed to put the blitzing linebacker in a no win situation. He keeps after the qb the ball is dumped behind him, he backs off the qb keeps it himself. There's not much you can do when the offense has the right play called to counter the defense you have.

Did you see the play early in the game where Grigsby stopped before he hit the line of scrimmage and was tackled for a loss? That was absolutely embarassing. At least Cotton was running forward. Hell the play he got dropped hard by Hebert at least he picked up 8 yards first. If that was Grigsby he would have got maybe 3 or 4 cause a guy would have got a hand on him coming through the initial hole. Grigsby went back in during the 4th quarter and actually stopped ******* around going sideways and running tentative. He actually started to make a decision and commit to it and ran with more authority and go figure he made some plays. I question whether he can do that all the time or not, but if he can then good, but if not I like the way Cotton runs better. Overall I think the biggest issue with the running game last night was the play calling. They did very little to actually give the backs a chance until late in the game, but I can not stand a running back who is seemingly afraid of contact. Cotton got flipped back a few times...looked nasty. It seems we still have two distinct 'camps' on this issue. Should be another good week of back and forth entertainment. If you watched Montreal's run game, it was basically the same as ours. Watch any team's running game, no matter who they are. It's mostly straight up, make a block, hit the hole. I'm just tired of seeing Grigsby run like a sissy. Yeah the blocking isn't great, but I'll give you an example: montreal had a play where things were stacked up pretty good in the middle and Whitaker just put his shoulders down and ran into the pile hard and managed to push it for the 2 yards needed. Grigsby in that same situation tends to either stop and look for a hole or run sideways trying to get all the way outside. If he'd just put the shoulder down and run forward I'd be on board with him continuing, but he plays like he's afraid of contact and I can't accept that from a runningback.

You know what a screen pass is right? Every time you were bitching about that in the chat room it was on a play where the als were letting guys get in the backfield then dumping the ball in behind them. That's no on Dunn, that's on Montreal taking advantage of the blitz with a play designed to exploit it. Not much Dunn can do but stop and get his hands up. He's not getting to the qb so try and disrupt the throw any way possible. You don't like it take it up with Etch. That's my point. When you send your LB, he needs to get to the the QB fast otherwise you get victimized by the screen... Wild was good at that when he was OLB, Sherman is pretty good at it, Dunn is not. He ends up too deep for contain but doesn't get any real pressure either. you can't get to the qb fast when he's just back pedalling to set up that very play. The problem here isn't Dunn, it's that the other team sees the play coming a mile away and has a play called to counter it.

all of the west teams inflated their record vs. the east. We haven't been run off the field in any of the western losses. 5 turnovers to none and still had a chance to beat the riders, worst offensive performance of the year and were still right there in the esks game until the 4th quarter... The west teams aren't super human, this team can beat them. Their records are based on dominating the east as well, same as ours. The next 2 weeks are going to see significant change in the standings. calgary/edmonton labour day series will give those teams a loss or two, same with ours vs. the riders.

Don't turn the ball over 5 times to none and the riders are beatable.

call me crazy, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Als wind up 2nd in the east. Hamilton doesn't impress me, especially with all their qbs out and in a contest between a team with a very tough defense and no offense vs. and all around bad team like Ottawa give me the team that at least has the D.

You know what a screen pass is right? Every time you were bitching about that in the chat room it was on a play where the als were letting guys get in the backfield then dumping the ball in behind them. That's no on Dunn, that's on Montreal taking advantage of the blitz with a play designed to exploit it. Not much Dunn can do but stop and get his hands up. He's not getting to the qb so try and disrupt the throw any way possible. You don't like it take it up with Etch.

Did you see the play early in the game where Grigsby stopped before he hit the line of scrimmage and was tackled for a loss? That was absolutely embarassing. At least Cotton was running forward. Hell the play he got dropped hard by Hebert at least he picked up 8 yards first. If that was Grigsby he would have got maybe 3 or 4 cause a guy would have got a hand on him coming through the initial hole. Grigsby went back in during the 4th quarter and actually stopped ******* around going sideways and running tentative. He actually started to make a decision and commit to it and ran with more authority and go figure he made some plays. I question whether he can do that all the time or not, but if he can then good, but if not I like the way Cotton runs better. Overall I think the biggest issue with the running game last night was the play calling. They did very little to actually give the backs a chance until late in the game, but I can not stand a running back who is seemingly afraid of contact.

How embarassing was Glen Suitor when talking about the PI challenge? Man oh man was he ever showing bias there.

Somewhere in Regina Brendan Taman is angrily crumpling a napkin

I thought the receivers let Willy down tonight, not only with some drops but when he was pressured or sacked it seemed to be because no one was open.

LOL - good one. As I mentioned in another thread - Crompton is the real deal. He was always the best looking (as in arm) QB here in Edmonton last year. He's from a first rate Division one University, has size, can scramble, he just needs some polishing and he'll be a gooder. Montreal is set now. As for us - is it me, or is the honeymoon with Drew Willy ending? Willy has not looked all that good last few weeks, including this week. Some very bad overthrows, missing wide open receivers and/or throwing the ball in a bad spot. Hey, don't get me wrong, I'm not jumping off his bandwagon, it's just that he's human afterall. He's same age as Crompton and is definitely ahead of him in the development stage but will be interesting to see where these two are when they are 30 (in their career progression that is). Did you notice how when we actually were able to run the ball he looked better passing? He's not a guy who at this point can do everything with his arm, there's too many other issues going on for him to do everything, but when he's got support he is fine. Bellefeiulle needs to be more creative with the running game, but at least O'Shea finally told Grigsby to run hard and not pussyfoot around with the side ways running or stopping before hits the hole.

Only an idiot Bomber fan would say something so juvenille. Rod Pedersen is the voice of the Riders and a well respected person in the community None of which makes him any less of an idiot.

We could lose on turnovers. or by ineffective offense which means that it just takes one big play from the Montreal offense to turn the game. There are lots of ways to lose a game in the CFL. No team is a free space no matter how terrible they are.

In the CFL that's like looking at the loonie in your hand and saying "I'm only $999,999 away from being a millionaire"... Montreal is proof positive that the only things that really matter in the CFL are coaching and quarterbacking.

It will probably run to set up the pass.

True day. But at this point it looks like every team in the West will finish ahead of the 2nd place team in the East. yeah but what happens if the 2nd place team in the east stomps on the bottom 2 eastern teams and the west stomps all over the 5th place western team? Sure it looks lopsided now, but the western teams have picked up so many of their wins against the east, let's let the eastern teams beat up on each other and the western teams sort their ordering out first why not? It's not going to stay this lopsided all year simply because the schedule is back loaded with divisional games. Yeah, except that there are still more east vs. west games coming up. There is the possiblity of the bottom 3 teams being 1-7. I don't see any of those 3 teams getting to 500, divisional games or not if that happens. But there are more east vs. east games and west vs. west games coming up. Things are going to change. Let it all play out before we get all worked up over an unbalanced schedule this far.

There's a time and place to try and strip the ball and there's a time and place to make the tackle and make sure the guy goes down. I like to believe that our players are smart enough to know the difference between the two times.