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Anybody have a question they want me to ask on tonight's Bombers Winter Special (7-9 on CJOB)? We've got the following guys lined up:
Jeffcoat, Neufeld, Collaros, Kyle Walters, Alexander and Lawler
If you've got a good/funny/interesting Q, I'm happy to ask it and give you the credit (unless it's really, really good and then I'll take credit myself) 😊
 

I work from the question "Was the QB able to get off his normal throw in his normal rhythm?" If not, then he's under pressure. There's other adjustments and situations. But that's where it starts for me.
One minor beef I've had with QB hits as a proxy for pressure is: if the QB didn't see the hit coming and it happens after he releases the ball, was he really under pressure? 

That said I wish I'd tracked QB hits all along the way. There'd be some interesting stories in there.

I work from the question "Was the QB able to get off his normal throw in his normal rhythm?" If not, then he's under pressure. There's other adjustments and situations. But that's where it starts for me.
One minor beef I've had with QB hits as a proxy for pressure is: if the QB didn't see the hit coming and it happens after he releases the ball, was he really under pressure? 

That said I wish I'd tracked QB hits all along the way. There'd be some interesting stories in there.

I work from the question "Was the QB able to get off his normal throw in his normal rhythm?" If not, then he's under pressure. There's other adjustments and situations. But that's where it starts for me.
One minor beef I've had with QB hits as a proxy for pressure is: if the QB didn't see the hit coming and it happens after he releases the ball, was he really under pressure? 

That said I wish I'd tracked QB hits all along the way. There'd be some interesting stories in there.

I work from the question "Was the QB able to get off his normal throw in his normal rhythm?" If not, then he's under pressure. There's other adjustments and situations. But that's where it starts for me.
One minor beef I've had with QB hits as a proxy for pressure is: if the QB didn't see the hit coming and it happens after he releases the ball, was he really under pressure? 

That said I wish I'd tracked QB hits all along the way. There'd be some interesting stories in there.

I work from the question "Was the QB able to get off his normal throw in his normal rhythm?" If not, then he's under pressure. There's other adjustments and situations. But that's where it starts for me.
One minor beef I've had with QB hits as a proxy for pressure is: if the QB didn't see the hit coming and it happens after he releases the ball, was he really under pressure? 

That said I wish I'd tracked QB hits all along the way. There'd be some interesting stories in there.

The CFL tried to officially track pressures in 2017. But they ran into the trouble of having stats people in 9 different stadiums trying to interpret what a pressure is. So they stopped.
You're 100% right that it's subjective, even among coaches. Some I've talked to say "Moving a QB off his spot is a pressure". Others have said a QB doing a routine climb of the pocket in not a QB under pressure. QBs inviting a DE in to sell a screen pass...is that pressure? Those are a just a couple of the ones you run into.

The CFL tried to officially track pressures in 2017. But they ran into the trouble of having stats people in 9 different stadiums trying to interpret what a pressure is. So they stopped.
You're 100% right that it's subjective, even among coaches. Some I've talked to say "Moving a QB off his spot is a pressure". Others have said a QB doing a routine climb of the pocket in not a QB under pressure. QBs inviting a DE in to sell a screen pass...is that pressure? Those are a just a couple of the ones you run into.

The CFL tried to officially track pressures in 2017. But they ran into the trouble of having stats people in 9 different stadiums trying to interpret what a pressure is. So they stopped.
You're 100% right that it's subjective, even among coaches. Some I've talked to say "Moving a QB off his spot is a pressure". Others have said a QB doing a routine climb of the pocket in not a QB under pressure. QBs inviting a DE in to sell a screen pass...is that pressure? Those are a just a couple of the ones you run into.

The CFL tried to officially track pressures in 2017. But they ran into the trouble of having stats people in 9 different stadiums trying to interpret what a pressure is. So they stopped.
You're 100% right that it's subjective, even among coaches. Some I've talked to say "Moving a QB off his spot is a pressure". Others have said a QB doing a routine climb of the pocket in not a QB under pressure. QBs inviting a DE in to sell a screen pass...is that pressure? Those are a just a couple of the ones you run into.

Oh, at $240K (the highest for a defensive end) I think you're right that  people will expect big sacks and league awards.
I think consistently getting QB pressure is a better predictor of sacks than sacks themselves. Sacks are fickle.
We credited Orimolade with 10 sacks last season (including playoffs). 8 of those he beat his blocker(s) quickly--'Wins' as we label them. That was 2nd-best in the league. 
Shawn Lemon had 14 sacks, but we judged only 6 to be Wins. 6 of his were cleaning up someone else's work or Pursuit sacks (ie. QB gets flushed and he chases him a long distance). Wins are the ones I truly care about 
A huge part of why I would have paid Orimolade he'll be 27 at Grey Cup. The rest of the top-10 in QB pressures average 31 years old this season.

Oh, at $240K (the highest for a defensive end) I think you're right that  people will expect big sacks and league awards.
I think consistently getting QB pressure is a better predictor of sacks than sacks themselves. Sacks are fickle.
We credited Orimolade with 10 sacks last season (including playoffs). 8 of those he beat his blocker(s) quickly--'Wins' as we label them. That was 2nd-best in the league. 
Shawn Lemon had 14 sacks, but we judged only 6 to be Wins. 6 of his were cleaning up someone else's work or Pursuit sacks (ie. QB gets flushed and he chases him a long distance). Wins are the ones I truly care about 
A huge part of why I would have paid Orimolade he'll be 27 at Grey Cup. The rest of the top-10 in QB pressures average 31 years old this season.

Oh, at $240K (the highest for a defensive end) I think you're right that  people will expect big sacks and league awards.
I think consistently getting QB pressure is a better predictor of sacks than sacks themselves. Sacks are fickle.
We credited Orimolade with 10 sacks last season (including playoffs). 8 of those he beat his blocker(s) quickly--'Wins' as we label them. That was 2nd-best in the league. 
Shawn Lemon had 14 sacks, but we judged only 6 to be Wins. 6 of his were cleaning up someone else's work or Pursuit sacks (ie. QB gets flushed and he chases him a long distance). Wins are the ones I truly care about 
A huge part of why I would have paid Orimolade he'll be 27 at Grey Cup. The rest of the top-10 in QB pressures average 31 years old this season.

Oh, at $240K (the highest for a defensive end) I think you're right that  people will expect big sacks and league awards.
I think consistently getting QB pressure is a better predictor of sacks than sacks themselves. Sacks are fickle.
We credited Orimolade with 10 sacks last season (including playoffs). 8 of those he beat his blocker(s) quickly--'Wins' as we label them. That was 2nd-best in the league. 
Shawn Lemon had 14 sacks, but we judged only 6 to be Wins. 6 of his were cleaning up someone else's work or Pursuit sacks (ie. QB gets flushed and he chases him a long distance). Wins are the ones I truly care about 
A huge part of why I would have paid Orimolade he'll be 27 at Grey Cup. The rest of the top-10 in QB pressures average 31 years old this season.

Oh, at $240K (the highest for a defensive end) I think you're right that  people will expect big sacks and league awards.
I think consistently getting QB pressure is a better predictor of sacks than sacks themselves. Sacks are fickle.
We credited Orimolade with 10 sacks last season (including playoffs). 8 of those he beat his blocker(s) quickly--'Wins' as we label them. That was 2nd-best in the league. 
Shawn Lemon had 14 sacks, but we judged only 6 to be Wins. 6 of his were cleaning up someone else's work or Pursuit sacks (ie. QB gets flushed and he chases him a long distance). Wins are the ones I truly care about 
A huge part of why I would have paid Orimolade he'll be 27 at Grey Cup. The rest of the top-10 in QB pressures average 31 years old this season.

Oh, at $240K (the highest for a defensive end) I think you're right that  people will expect big sacks and league awards.
I think consistently getting QB pressure is a better predictor of sacks than sacks themselves. Sacks are fickle.
We credited Orimolade with 10 sacks last season (including playoffs). 8 of those he beat his blocker(s) quickly--'Wins' as we label them. That was 2nd-best in the league. 
Shawn Lemon had 14 sacks, but we judged only 6 to be Wins. 6 of his were cleaning up someone else's work or Pursuit sacks (ie. QB gets flushed and he chases him a long distance). Wins are the ones I truly care about 
A huge part of why I would have paid Orimolade he'll be 27 at Grey Cup. The rest of the top-10 in QB pressures average 31 years old this season.

Oh, at $240K (the highest for a defensive end) I think you're right that  people will expect big sacks and league awards.
I think consistently getting QB pressure is a better predictor of sacks than sacks themselves. Sacks are fickle.
We credited Orimolade with 10 sacks last season (including playoffs). 8 of those he beat his blocker(s) quickly--'Wins' as we label them. That was 2nd-best in the league. 
Shawn Lemon had 14 sacks, but we judged only 6 to be Wins. 6 of his were cleaning up someone else's work or Pursuit sacks (ie. QB gets flushed and he chases him a long distance). Wins are the ones I truly care about 
A huge part of why I would have paid Orimolade he'll be 27 at Grey Cup. The rest of the top-10 in QB pressures average 31 years old this season.

Oh, at $240K (the highest for a defensive end) I think you're right that  people will expect big sacks and league awards.
I think consistently getting QB pressure is a better predictor of sacks than sacks themselves. Sacks are fickle.
We credited Orimolade with 10 sacks last season (including playoffs). 8 of those he beat his blocker(s) quickly--'Wins' as we label them. That was 2nd-best in the league. 
Shawn Lemon had 14 sacks, but we judged only 6 to be Wins. 6 of his were cleaning up someone else's work or Pursuit sacks (ie. QB gets flushed and he chases him a long distance). Wins are the ones I truly care about 
A huge part of why I would have paid Orimolade he'll be 27 at Grey Cup. The rest of the top-10 in QB pressures average 31 years old this season.

Unfortunately I don't have snap counts, but...

Winnipeg's D faced 686 dropbacks (Pass attempts + Sacks + QB scrambles)
Ottawa's D faced 613

Total pass + rush attempts against their D + sacks (per CFL):
Winnipeg: 942
Ottawa: 947

Unfortunately I don't have snap counts, but...

Winnipeg's D faced 686 dropbacks (Pass attempts + Sacks + QB scrambles)
Ottawa's D faced 613

Total pass + rush attempts against their D + sacks (per CFL):
Winnipeg: 942
Ottawa: 947

Unfortunately I don't have snap counts, but...

Winnipeg's D faced 686 dropbacks (Pass attempts + Sacks + QB scrambles)
Ottawa's D faced 613

Total pass + rush attempts against their D + sacks (per CFL):
Winnipeg: 942
Ottawa: 947

Unfortunately I don't have snap counts, but...

Winnipeg's D faced 686 dropbacks (Pass attempts + Sacks + QB scrambles)
Ottawa's D faced 613

Total pass + rush attempts against their D + sacks (per CFL):
Winnipeg: 942
Ottawa: 947

Unfortunately I don't have snap counts, but...

Winnipeg's D faced 686 dropbacks (Pass attempts + Sacks + QB scrambles)
Ottawa's D faced 613

Total pass + rush attempts against their D + sacks (per CFL):
Winnipeg: 942
Ottawa: 947

Unfortunately I don't have snap counts, but...

Winnipeg's D faced 686 dropbacks (Pass attempts + Sacks + QB scrambles)
Ottawa's D faced 613

Total pass + rush attempts against their D + sacks (per CFL):
Winnipeg: 942
Ottawa: 947

I asked him about it in the post-game show, and we'll definitely talk about it on Tuesday.

O'Shea said that it's known to be a legal play in the CFL that results in an Illegal Kickoff. He said he doesn't like the rule, but he praised Terry Williams for making a smart play.

I guess the rules treat Williams' play like catching a ball with a foot on the sidelines. It's not illegal to do so, it's just out of bounds, incomplete. I'd expected the rules would treat it like going out of bounds unforced and reaching back into the field of play--Illegal Participation. Upon further review of the rules, the one I was looking at says "loose ball" for IP. But a kickoff is a "kicked ball"