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Bingo, bango, bongo. You could insert other professions and say the exact same thing. Human beings are a funny and fascinating species influenced by so many things that make them who they are..

Really depends on where you get and find the engineers. If they go out of school to work for the company they intern for and never move up, become stagnant in the profession and company, you bet. I've seen lots of those guys. I knew one in particular who was the proficient procrastinator I've ever met. he was a master of delaying work until it would disappear. If you get them out of the drone mills and into a field where they work hands-on, especially in an area of interest, you see wonders. School, work, and society have a way of drawing any passion out of work and intellectual pursuits. It's just about breaking that cycle. Math is rigid at low, basic levels. At higher levels, it's a very pliable problem-solving tool. If high level maths were completely rigid, they'd be easy, and they are not lol.

Well they certainly like to think they are... So here's the thing, people revere engineers but most engineers can't think outside the box and are pretty rigid thinkers, goes back to the math.

Lawler, don't let me down!

It's possible. But not Probable. The stretch run from our D last year is a testament to what JY can do. This year, I think Jy got saddled with some really bad pieces, and had to replace Dbs, who knew his system and fit well with guys who didn't fit well. Last year, we saw early on that guys struggled with assignments and switches. But a couple of tweaks to the secondary and time to gel, and they caught fire. We haven't found the group to gel with yet in the secondary this year. Previously, we killed it at recruiting DBs, and we brought in a bunch of talented guys this year, but their fit was kind of iffy. We brought in a lot of bigger S type guys, and didn't bring in nearly enough actual cover DBs. The S type guys fit our scheme well at wil, sam, and S. But poorly everywhere else. The front, is a mess of old boys club and gives JY very little to work with. It's like an OC being told he isn't getting a QB and has to be a run offence, in the CFL. JY has to run a D that is all on the secondary. They can't get beat or give up a gap deep because the QB will have 4+ seconds to make them pay if they do. So they play off the wrs, come up and try to make plays. Halls D was about getting pressure with 4 guys too. And yeah, thsoe guys in their prime made that pretty easy. Hall also had incredible versatility. You got BA who can punish Wrs all over the field and blanket deep shots, while also supplying kill shots in the run game. You go Kyrie and Biggie who can get all the way back in cover and be as good as any lbers in the pass game. WJ was dropping back, playing pass lanes, and actually getting a pass rush in. JJ was like a man on fire after the qb every second of every snap. JJ was soo reliable at winning his snaps that WJ could loop wide then break inside and know JJ had contain on the other side. You might not sack in 2 seconds, but qbs didn't get 4 seconds either, the pocket was ticking time bomb. Inside, we had a plethora of guys from Nevis, poop, bryant, stove etc and the best of jake in the most limited of reps. Stove and nevis were a terror side by side when they got run out together. We also had kongbo and hansen who could come in, pass rush, run stop and play inside out. Allowing us to run the cheetah front. We had guys like sayles who could rush from the 3t or the edge. Today, none of our starters on D have an significant versatility.

Ahhh speak for yourself. My wife constantly remarks 'oh and you're just sooo perfect'.

I just retired and turned 80 in July. Heck I am at times afraid to go to the bathroom as I at times can not remember why I am there!!😁

In the NBA, they say you are the player you are going to be after 3 seasons. Significant jumps up in performance after that window are extremely rare. Football is far more varied, with some positions having very small windows (RB, DB, Lber), others having large windows (QB, OL, Canadian LOL). Because QBs have long windows (MBT, Khari, Zach), it can be hard. Most people still write off the first year for a QB. I don't think we've seen plenty of guys step in early and succeed. Even the NFL is cooling off on the 1 year on the bench for top pick QBs. But the 2nd pro TC is a huge checkpoint. Especially up here. You would expect any rookie to take a decent-sized step forward going into their 2nd TC in general or up here. The next step forward is moving up to being QB2. Not a huge difference between being QB3 and being on the PR Very few snaps come your way, the team's prep for you is minimal, you likely spend more time with the QB coach than the OC in the prep time before a game. But as a QB2, that all changes. You get snaps in each practice, you get coached, even just to run a scout team, you are involved more in play install, and heavily involved with the game on the sideline. You go from chucking balls on the side to anyone who wants to warm up and standing around to signaling and talking to the sideline coach (QB or OC) on most snaps. After that, it gets hard as you need primary reps to progress and show it. Next week, on Tuesday, Wilson will have been here for 2 years. He's had 2 full TCs, and he's been QB2 for 14 games in the CFL. Including 2 playoff games and appearing in the GC. From TC 1 to the end of TC2, and both pre-seasons, he hasn't shown improvement. He's Poised, Athletic, and has the Arm. He hasn't shown even flashes of the ability to locate the ball, throw on time, get the ball out to a spot on time, read the D, or run an offense. Dru brown struggled early to the point he only got on the roster for 2 games in 21. He was bad in the preseason, he was worse in the late-season window that we worked him in. 22 TC, he came in having taken a big step forward. He led the game-winning drive in W1 after Zach got knocked out and moved up the chart. Late that year, he got a chance and stepped up big again. At 23, he's the best backup QB in the league. 24, he's QB1 for ott. Wilson is now at the point, time line-wise, where Dru was when he beat up on BC and put up 350 yards. But his progress is that of a rookie in his first training camp. Pigrome was gone from here in his first year, and gone from the league after 2. Sean McGuire was a depth guy one year, then QB2. He flopped and was gone at the end of his 2nd year. Prukop was in Tor for 2.5 years, then here for 2 years, then EDM for 1. Strevy was here 2 years, went to the NFL, came back, and now is nearing the end of 2 years, has one foot out the door. Or he sure should. It's not impossible that Wilson still takes a step forward. But it is getting to be extremely unlikely. Even if he takes a good step forward, that makes him a decent QB2. Not a QB1 candidate. He's a year away from being a year away. We have failed to work him in this year, despite some good opportunities to do so. He really needs one in the final window of this season. And he needs to show serious progression. Except Mr.Perfect. Would've been perfect if he caught that.

Mills

...................orrrrr judging a man by the thickness of his hair...I've always felt priveledged that I have command of the English lanquage written or spoken...I have to give credit to my early teachers in Winnipeg schools, who taught me very well....Is my writing perfect...no, and my punctution leaves a lot to be desired and the little dots after words would have my former teachers aghast...BUT we do what we do on this team site ....and in the end just hope everyone understands one's sentiment they're trying to convey ....you are correct...in your correction ....just goes to prove nobody is perfect

Latter

Oh brother, how disconnected from society art thou? Proper punctuation, sentence structure, and spelling are like speaking Latin in a kindergarten class these days, or Old English. Judging a persons intellect by their writing is a fool's errand. If we did that, we would have to discard the great Russian writers like Gogol and Dostoevsky. The ladder of whom has their own name spelled wrong on a huge amount of their published works. Or at that rate, William Shakespeare, who could only manage to sign his will with an X. Or Leonardo Davinci, who repeatedly failed to properly spell many basic words in his journal. Along with many others, I can list if you really like. Even though the likes of EB White and William Strunk would admit that these are pedantic ways to judge people. Even though the hate they had for abuse of grammar led to the publishing of the best pocket book on writing ever, and its later revisions and popularity. This is the football equivelant of judging a QBs scouting report based on how pretty his girl friend is. Bad engineers, maybe. Good engineers are problem solvers. Great Engineers can solve problems and turn that process into value. I've known and worked with many in my life, and it's always easy to see the good and great engineers. Calculators, who haven't spent much time in a pocket.

And I think this question you pose and similar other questions are fair raise to prompt good discussion and debate and posing these type questions do not mean fire MOS fire Walters, fire everyone, wholesale changes everywhere, do this, do that etc.

To some extent yup...that's why I like to get out in the field and in the dirt too lol

I guess the question would be... is he not playing because they don't trust him or are they too loyal to the existing players?... if it's the former, why is he even here?... if it's the latter... that's a good way for a coach to lose his job

......antique stores....my second home....I never buy much but everything on the shelves reminds me of the distant past....Found a relic of days gone by the other day....thought it was quite novel till my wife said we already have one.....Didn't remember buying it and said to myself....uh oh To everyone on here who have posted some great sentiments...'you too, one day, will enter the world I and a few others on here are a part of'... till then don't ever give up the ship, keep the course and above all don't listen to those gawdamned rider fans.....

Well that's a giant bag of meh from SNL to start the season. Thank goodness for Update... Hopefully they're not asked to tone it down. I want Che to unload on the recent nonsense.

so how many is that for Poehler now?

the funny thing about Brown's progression is that he turned the corner without a lot of game reps. Most of his development must have happened in practice -- but I see the assertion here that practice reps aren't really great at preparing new players for the CFL.

Purely a guess, a hypothetical based on history. Mainly i’m just curious in the reluctance to give TW some reps in a real game considering ZC injury and CS play seems to be challenged of late. If it’s the case that there is no confidence in TW to lead our offence when our #1 and our #2 aren’t in a position/chsllenged to do it then we might want to move him to the pr at the very least and get a body in that you would be comfortable in putting him on.

Engineering is math... engineers are nothing more than calculators.

Consider that Brown's first yr...even 2 more times than not looked lost...panicked and not really a viable option...yr 3 is when he actually looked like he had something....

Defense is Youngers (DC's) design, that being said...The HC has play sheet for both offence and defense and will more times than not also call plays "he" wants based on situation...down/distance...field position...etc....also what player packages he wants....Obviously the last yr all the above have not been on the same page/mindset OC guy actually doesn't even have a page...dude is useless and in over his head and Osh will do nothing about it because it will just confirm he screwed up....and he never accepts responsibility for messing up....always has an excuse so we stuck with it thru the yr sadly...

Maybe I'm missing the tone of this post but to the first bolded point... how do you know that?... I'm not saying Wilson is the next CFL superstar... but at this point, we have no idea what he is... could, at the very least, be an upgrade from Streveler... Second bolded... we all hope for that every game... it just seems to happen less and less these days...

Actually....I do have to use math in Engineering....and I hate math...go figure