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so you want a rift between your G.M and H.C?....No trust in his judgement...after all he is the coach and should see talent/value I agree tho Walter's needs to take more ownership and tell osh for a lack of better word's to "eff off" in some of his ideas YEAH...we dont have to play a Canadian RB...We choose to again...back to coach's eye for talent Kramdi..Thomas..Kolo...Hallett getting major reps...Corcorran...Korny...none those guys would get reps elsewhere like here...I cant see any starting anywhere else....Do a better job with your canadian talent and dont ficus on ST only guys...Talented players can play teams....Untalented players who only can play teams dont make adequate backups let alone starters

I absolutely agree and Dobson even stated he gave Walters a chance to match. That was a mistake. It wasn't as big at the time he made it, but I think our franchise can ill afford another offseason of talent bleed off like last year. Losing 4 all stars in one season, all of whom wanted to return, is piss poor GMing. I completely agree with you about how we craft our TC's. Not working. Needs a revamp. I am hoping that Miller's retention of Walters/OSH came with some directives about changing up some of their flaws. If not....this year really is on Miller. I am still of the firm belief that at the very least Walters should have been fired, and OSH if necessary to appease a new GM. The mafia isn't working right now and I think Miller is a pretty savvy guy and has given some new ways forward to the management/coaching. If not, whatever they do this year could have been prevented.

Dobson got market value for 2nd yr deal for a Canadian Olineman....we could have easily kept him....Just look at what the the Human Ole' machine at center makes....drop his money...give it to Dobson....Same with what Thomas pulls in for his 18 games...prob top 3 in snaps on the dline for a grand total of 9 tackles...thats his stat line...18 games...9 tackles.....wow..... lot of our early struggles tho I think can be placed at the feet of another subpar and poorly crafted TC...again......Even some vets said it was an issue I just want t see real competition in camp...No Job is guaranteed/penciled in....no guys getting zero TC participation yet start Game 1.....You show best in camp...you get the spot....regardless of where you from...how long you been here....or in league....plain and simple...roll that unit out game 1-3 and if they gettin er done...keep on rolling, and players keep their spot with performance, or you lose your job. That's the world I came from and am still in with the football I'm still involved with Can Osh facilitate that?...thats the big question...Have my doubts until he shows that and a top ST player too league wide...that alone should have gave ol Osh a stiffer I talking eye for talent on his roster he choose But also other teams have their own pipeline they will exhaust first before scraps from elsewhere...plus it's a slap in the face of your scouting department too, to bypass their workfor other teams cuts...good way tolose staff

You keep saying that Osh needs to have a better eye for talent in camp. This league is small and opposing GMs are very aware and have scouted many of the same players we have. I cannot think of a single player we cut in camp that went on to be anything in this league. Teams are signing other teams cuts all the time. Our cuts have done exactly zero anywhere. That leads me to believe that it isn;t Osh's eye for talent that is the problem, it is our recruiters. If we were cutting studs some at least would turn up somewhere else. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE ZERO DEPTH. Over a 3 year span with Rigmaiden our scouting suddenly ratcheted up and we were a very deep club. He left it went back to poop again. We aren't bringing in enough talent at every position group. PERIOD. The only place we seem to be having some real good fortune is at DB. I am on record many times saying coaching lost us that Grey Cup, both roster composition but especially game plan. However, that was not the discussion whatsoever. Telling me how a carburetor works when we are talking about mufflers doesn't add anything. We all know what MOS weaknesses are. Where we disagree is how that impacts our talent level. Like I've stated, name one good player who left town because of roster composition. Look, I stated last week that I thought we should clean house. I am not defending OSH. What I am trying to point out is that anyone thinking we had a roster that could legit compete for a Grey Cup last year is smoking crack. We NEED more talent, and to be clear we also need our coach to use it properly, I think that's a pretty fair statement.

January will be very telling in who we consider "priority" signings and how long we take to solve the OC issue...the longer we drag thatbout...the more concerning it is as it means any potential upgrade is hesitant in signing on here...and rightfully so, or they are re-uping OC guy....so fairly soon it will be apparent if it more of the same ol ame ol downward spiral, or a true shift...and if some of the usual suspects are re-signed early, and some the others not outright released prior to free agency we are hooped We will have to eat 3 yrs and probably wallow around in the abyss...or can Osh mid-season or after the next flop seson and eat that contract and hand-cuff ourselves, and prob do the ol promote from within...not a very confidence inducing time by any stretch right now.... Schoen wont be seen until the very late stages of 2026...if at all....and even then he should just sit it all out a try a "comeback" in 2027...He should not even be considered an option for 2026 and If HC and G.M intend that as a signing...both should be sent packing now Fact...2023 Grey cup Schoen couldnt run and hadnt practiced in months and wasnt ready to play and even said was shocked to be on roster...Bailey could barely move due to a hammy...Demski couldt run or cut worth **** with an ankle....zero explosion, and Bolo was 100 percent healthy...took zero snaps as our offence got smothered....also of note we had an experienced vet in Ambles....who had been here for weeks...won a Grey Cup against us the previous yr , and was a solid receiver and Osh opted to not dress hi for any of the other 3.....so saying Osh is a pisspoor roster curator isnt a stretch...Thats just one season's example....this has gone on pretty much for all his seasons maybe Osh needs tohave a better eye for talent in camp as to who to keep?....hmmmmm...possible only way you get better....and progress...is with game reps in the CFL...Not in practice....not running up and down field on teams...you need to be integrated to see if player is one to move forward with...or move on from We are worst inleague inder Osh in doing that...and why we have zero depth maybe some people need to be thrown under bus or called out to actually get them to smarten up....if they dont like it...they in the wrong business

A couple Winnipeggers made the Fall top prospects list so I'm trying to keep an eye on them so we'll see where the rank with the winter & spring lists come out. Giordano Vaccaro (OL for Purdue, after playing for the Bisons the last few years) was listed at #11 while Trae Tomlinson (DB for Louisiana) cracked the list at #20. Mesidor takes hold of top spot in fall edition of CFL Scouting Bureau - CFL.ca Patrice Rene is one I would have liked them to have held on to. Yeah he was hurt while he was here (and that was the knock on him in college) but we cut bait with him after seeing him in one game. He's since played 51 games over the last 3 years for BC.

I agree that in years past we had ample opportunity to be better at giving young guys playing time. We cruised for many years easily winning our division. Could have still done so and played the youngsters more. However, I find this argument to be completely without merit this year. This year we struggled early and were fighting for a playoff spot right to the last week. We couldn't roll the dice on rookies or we may have missed the playoffs in a GC hosting year. We've heard lots about Smith/Shay not playing. Haven't heard much about anyone else. Our LBers actually played well this year. We should have sat them and played rookies in a year where one more loss and we are out of the playoffs? C'mon. That's not a valid thought process. In the past, yes, this year nope. Whether you like it or not the ALs game was an exhibition game. Both teams sat a great deal of starters. Did both teams play to win? Certainly. Was the talent level of those competing the highest level. Nope. I think the Bombers have done a real good job developing NAT talent. Not sure what you are seeing that suggests otherwise? Some hit and some miss, and none of it was due to playing time or lack thereof. Who are these NAT talents that we failed to develop and went somewhere else and found success? Name one. We've seen a few fringe NAT guys leave after their first contract due to playing time, but these aren't difference maker players. The other guys we've lost it's been solely about the benjamins. We wouldn't pay them what others were willing to do so. This fabrication that we lose good NATs for lack of playing time in year one is nonsense. Playing time in year one literally doesn't hurt their CFL careers whatsoever. They sign 3 year deals at a stipulated salary. Years 2 and 3 are where they need to be playing and we have been very good about getting anyone who is starting quality their playing time by the time they hit FA. Dobson and Ford for instance, our big FA losses last year barely saw the field in their rookie years. They still parlayed their successful first contracts into big money second contracts.

I am not sure he was entirely talking about NATs, although, the Bombers have been VERY good at retaining our top talent IMPs so I can't imagine that's what he meant. We have let a lot of IMP guys walk after their rookie contracts expire but I am yet to see a single one of them make a difference elsewhere. Fact of the matter is that NAT draft pick retention is always going to be a little more difficult because they had no choice where they were going to play to start with. You are always going to lose some after their rookie contract. However, its a GMs job to present them with a number that will make them stay. Ford there was no way he was staying, but over the years we have let some very good NATs walk in FA because we didn't want to pay.

100%...I'd say one of the weakest league wide in some time...not just here...was almost embarrassing to be honest, and add to that a OC who couldnt put a game plan together to beat a Prep School team in Texas or Cali...well we saw the results... he's definately give us a player on the all douchewhistle team tho...but other than that...i dunno...not polished....or good route runner...suspect hands...but good coaching could correct that...So uness we can OC Guy we better sign polished pros with many yrs under their belt wasnt that knicked up...and Osh plays guys who shouldnt even dress...let alone be a back-up...so dont buy that crap cause he coud have flipped ratio and played an Imp....but nope...he's a moron so explain the playingof sub par guys...for yrs now in "real" games and not sitting...bemching...cutting them for far more than less than adequate play?....exhibition or not...tc..reg sesson...Of a player shows ability, then reps and a chance to grow is a nobrainer...and that was hardly an exhibition game....and you think the Al's were playing to lose?...no player regardless of the game implications wants to suck ass and lose...and if they are...then shouldnt be on a pro roster...thats just nonesense thing with rookies...you dont know until you know...if you are real good evaluator of talent (which some of our coaches...or coach isnt) then ya you can see the possible benefit/upside, but if never given a chance...you will never know...and rarely develop talent...especially national And why our depth sucks, and we seem to be lacking any impact players...wesuck at developing and transitioning cause Osh stagnates it and values some intabgibles over talent and upside..being here many yrs, or being a vet doesnt always mean "better"....only in Osh's world

Name the players who have left here after their first contract? I'm not arguing, just can't think of too many. Dobson? Was he first or 2nd contract? I agree that we have lost some very key players over the past several years to money tho. Our SMS may need a little reconfiguring for sure. I mean Thomas and Kolanowski aren't big budget items so the example is a little poor. However, we have allocated some heavy salary to BO, ZC, and WJ that might have been money better spent elsewhere.

I could be wrong, but I swear Bolo signed with the Bombers again after his rookie deal was done. Either way, stop using facts in your arguments. Ok. MOS is horrible. And Walters is a fool and no one knows what is going on with this team.

That has been a revelation to me as well. From starting and using too many NATs to we never game them a chance all in the span of a month. My head is spinning.

The record book says that's not entirely true, at least as far as drafted players go. 6 guys have played out their rookie deals and left as a FA in the last 10 years: Ford, Dobson, BOLO, Desjarlais, Kongbo & Loeffler. 9 guys have stayed past their rookie deal: Kramdi, Cadwallader, Brady, Eli, Nick Hallett, Gray, Couture, Gauthier, Chung. There have been guys who may have been around longer but were forced to retire due to injuries (ex: Noah Hallett, Trent Corney). More concerning was the amount of busts we've had over that time - i get the CFL draft is a crap shoot but man is it ugly.

Like who? Ford and Dobson? Ford signed for stupid money. Dobson would have been nice to keep but he got a huge raise. Can't pay everyone to be the top at their position.

A lot of players leave here after their first contract. We refuse to pay. We spend money instead on retreads like Thomas & Kolokowski. The Canadian Mafia faves.

"Free agency? Don't talk to me about free agents. You kidding me??? We'll be lucky to sign our own guys before they leave. I just hope we can sign Thomas."

Dline bottom third? uh dead last no?

Draft is just as important. Alford Veresek White Saad Shanks Fortin Findlay Ambers All got starts this year. The Bomber's need to get Smith and Shay on the field. Plenty of goid guards this upcoming draft.

It’s hard to get too excited about anybody until closer to the date when we know who’ll be available. With all the one year deals, there are lots of good players that are potentially available.

Als could have survived that if Alexander had been healthy.

I'm more curious about who's available in FA that we should be looking to spend on...

I know its early but any guys that we should be hoping for in the draft? Tangent but sort of related, the U of M had 5 Canada West All Stars this year. Any of those kids legit future prospects?

OShea has always done it according to some formula in his head, but this upcoming year I'm hoping (maybe unrealsitically) he and Walters take a good hard look at what went wrong in '25 that we finished 4th in the western conference. And what is needed to change. Our offense was disjointed and lacked direction. Our oline wasn't good enough. Our dline was in the bottom 3rd of the league. (hard work +Experience) > talent

That should have been a score with nobody around him... He waited FOREVER for that ball.

If it's President JBR then you have to agree with him... No need for dissidents.