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Yeah, it’s pretty hard to make an argument justifying this player/roster usage…. As well as others.

Much like when some real solid receivers and dlineman that were out there we failed to land let alone even target any and with this current regime still in place next yr...I have no faith in us signing anyone of signifigance....especially as we already re-upped ZC.....And Osh thinks we are good....so that be the end of that...Even in one the last articles he said we are "thriving" with ZC...guy clearly has zero clue We gonna have I bet the exact same crew back competing at QB with likely the only other new face being the kid we drafted....so we better hope our staff can actually coach Neck look at the Faj...for most part looked like garbage...career backup....got o a team who actually worked with him...gave hin a sysyem he could thrive in...with a good group of players around him....Beat us in the Grey Cup. Coaching ails us more than most realize

Rather than magically assume that Streveler is suddenly going to develop at the age of 31 next year, why not sign Taylor Powell who is scheduled to be a free agent and who looked good when he had the chance to start?

3D had an article about how the Riders have sold out Labour Day and that its their first sell out of the year. Meanwhile we are at all 4 sold out this year with 9 in a row. I'm just saying us fans have brought it this year. Flowers to all of us.

any QB if he has arm ability...athleticism...and more than 13 brain as well as the ability to learn and be coached can have success. If the time and patience's put in, and you can afford to do that, and also game plans to accentuate their skills....you are gonna develop a guy...we did that with Brown to a certain extent only to let him walk away. Would he have had success here?...Likely last yr/yr before but this yr under the OC...The craptacular receiving group an the piss poor in game coaching/strategy I can't see any guy having sustained success here right now Strev...we didnt develop him whatsoever...if anything we stagnated him and almost regressed him...Now he is forced into an almost lose lose situation coming off only 10 months from a total reconstruction....for sure he not gonna look the same, and yeah for a QB coming off that it definitely gonna affect his pocket movement....platform...base from how he throws...everything....but for now....it is what it is If you look at his tape in the NFL and from all accounts was more than capable and could make all the throws...and showed it Our best course with him is let him get as much work as he can this yr...actually work with developing him and not kill him with stupid previous kind of work load we gave him, and yeah bring him back next yr when he is over a yr removed from surgery and has another yr and full TC under his belt...with real weapons and see how he looks...Thats when you make the decisions...Cause as it stands now the only real vet QB's we gonna have available to us barring any miraculous trade...which aint gonna happen are him and ZC....Let them go to war in camp...legitimately and see who gives us the best chance then...and looking forward....The real onus is on the team to actually coach and develop guys and put the work in...and for last 3 to 5 yrs...we havnt....with any player really...hence why we have zero real depth

How did you come to this conclusion based off Wilsons play? And what about Artopoeous gives you hope, based off his play? I remember when plenty of people said Brown was complete trash and wasn't a CFL qb. And that was actually based off him starting and playing in a regular season game.

Both QBs have been horrible honestly. But I think we have to hope that Collaros finds "it" and regains some of his past form, as unlikely as that may be. Streveler is just way too limited as a QB. Maybe if he was still a threat to run, or if we had the best OL in the CFL, he could succeed. But he just has zero poise in the pocket. He's good at finding his first read and delivering the ball quickly but if that's not there then he is just toast. He's panicking, staring into the pass rush and getting clobbered.

Like what u cooking...id go as far as keep Cobb on for Lawson if he can't go Merci good sir And 2.5 snaps a game for a DA is really such a waste. Almost pointless and to not utilize a player for more than that as your DA is really a disservice to the roster...the way we shuttle guys on and off the field during a game, a roster spot where you could be getting a guy on who could be impactful while also being one your ST demons and basically having him stand around for most part is pretty weak

I hope these are the changes this week: COLLAROS for Artopeous - obviously BRYANT for Lofton - obviously, although I can see them keeping Lofton as LG. MITCHELL for Cooley - Mitchell is practicing with the 1s, looking more he will play this week PETERSON for Cobb - if Cooley is out, we need someone to backup Brady SCHMEKEL for C. Lawson - this if C.Lawson is out D. LAWSON for Parker - Parker will go to the 6-game, dont want Bridges back on that spot WOODS for Ayers - I hope they'll go DL-heavy this week. Mills will run all over us again BAILEY for Ball - I don't think we need 4 NAT DBs, I'll try this guy

There wasn't enough endzone to throw it as far as he would have had to to overcome that mismatch and coverage, imo. It was just a bad call all around.

Ayers had 0 in the Week 9 Argos game. And for 17 for the season by my count.

Disagree and that is not a not a big rah rah streveler statement. Collaros has been ass other than a few random deep shots.

Was not impressed by Hogan’s comments yesterday. Defends an indefensible play call and throws his qb under the bus. Gotta wonder how the players feel.

Yeah. I’m not a big Zach guy but he’s our best option by far and it’s not close. I wanted Streveler to be more than he is but he is that guy who throws for 160 most games and does throw more picks than TDS. What made him great was his ability to run ppl over and run by them. He can’t do that currently. I was In the keep Dru (Willy) Brown camp. He’s being destroyed like Willy was behind a crap oline.

Seems to have good hands and good speed but no burst off the line and doesn't seem to break tackles well.

Oh I'm not advocating that Collaros is a great option, I just don't see it with Streveler. Its the same issues we've discussed since 2018. Can he pass well enough consistently? Is he progressing through his reads? Etc. This is now the same thing and people here have blamed Lapo, Buck and now Hogan and cite the well he lasted in the NFL, where the same questions were raised. Perhaps a guy who is 30 and in his eighth pro season is who he is going to be.

Nichols also had medlock kicking 6fgs a game, an all time defence and ol, and still got boed off the field, then his replacement lead to two back to back QBs. Horrible red zone percentages, league leading 2 and outs in O etc. Not really an aiming point. zachs had 1 good half this year in 5 starts. I mean you could count zachs good half’s of football on one hand going back to late 2023. I wonder how many picks Zach has this year in fg range and how many went for pick 6s. Gotta be averaging taking more than 1 score off the board a game with just picks. Streveler isn’t the same guy he was. That’s true. At the same time, we don’t need the guy he was back. We need him to do what he’s doing, but do it better. He has been better than zach this year. 95 pass attempts as compared to 124. 2 starts to 5. Good half to good half. The difference is when strevy is not on, we punt a lot. When zach is not on, he’s running us off the field and out of games. We need strevy to get the ball out quicker, speed up the offence and decision making process. Chris has showed he can accurately hit passes all over with in the flow of the offence. Zach can hit moon shots out of the blue, but we don’t need strevy to do that. And we can’t get zach to run tempo or ball control passing game plans, and we can’t win when he isn’t clicking on deep balls. And while he can hit them at random, he can’t hit them at will any more. it’s not a great position to make a decision either way. But with one guy you have the ability to limit damage, and improve. You don’t have that with zach. And we should be turning over every stone looking for a vet to bring in. Each week should be a battle for the starting spot. And the hook can be liberal for either guy. But none of that will happen. We will run with zach till he can barely stand and hold the ball. Little on throw.

Nichols never played another down for the Bombers after he injured his shoulder. The only other significant CFL injuries he had was a broken leg and torn ACL with Edmonton, knee injury here to start 2018.

Nichols also had a 3-1 TD/INT ratio in 2019, Streveler has thrown more Interceptions than TDs in his two starts. Not the same. We had the same discussion in 2019 about Streveler and whether he could be a starting QB, nothing has changed. BTW in 2019, 8 games started, 1482 passing yards, 7 TD passes, 11 Interceptions, 3-5 record as a starting. Not that much different is it?

Nichols post injured arm survived on passes like that. What is Zach's winning % this season compared to Strev? Zach's salary vs performance has to be the worst in this league this season. I'd take Strev/Wilson or anyone else over Zach at $600 000. Zach has had a full season last year and multiple games this year to show that he's done and he isn't coming back... Strev has had 2 starts and won them both. Why not give him a chance and see what he can do.

Ya man passing for 160 yards is really showing Zach. Streveler had 1 good half in the first game. Since then every chance he’s got, he’s sucked. Oh wow he made 1 throw. Dude throws for the length of the field. He’s Matt Nichols but without accuracy cuz both can’t run. You are remembering the Streveler in the fur coat and the grey cup 5 years ago. He’s not that guy anymore. It’s obvious he can’t move and can’t accurately pass a ball over 8 yards. Zach and Streveler have similar numbers. High completion percentage. Less TDs than picks. Why you pretending the O did anything against Toronto.

In the last three games, 28 out of Streveler's 44 completions were for 9 yards or less. Another 5 were for 10-12 yards. I'm not sure that you can be a successful starting QB when almost two thirds of your completions are short passes and 75% are for 12 yards or less.

Strev has out played Zach this season and has higher upside and has a much smaller salary. Zach was terrible last season as well. Zach is pushing himself out of a job.

People were skeptical of the QBs also. A dude who has no accuracy coming off a major injury and an injured collaros?? Who would have thought. Streveler isn’t a starting CFL QB. I’m not sure he’s a capable backup anymore. Right now the guy with the most potential is Artopoeous. Pretty obvious Wilson is just here to dive in to piles. I could see why they signed Zach. Cuz the guys behind him are terrible. Collaros was at his best when Dru was here pushing him. Now he’s struggling. Prob cuz Streveler and Wilson aren’t pushing him. Dru did. I know Strev is the golden goose here but that was several years ago now and dude has literally done nothing since or before really. People remember he was the starter before Zach right.

To play devils advocate, it appears Streveler did underthrow the 5 foot 8 receiver but dumb call none the less. Hogan screams arrogant prick with his stupid sunglasses always.