sweep the leg Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 13 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: A lot of fans on twitter giving Chevy advice in March. Lend him your flying delorian in September please. Assuming this flying DeLorean is for time travel, it wouldn't matter when it was given to him, as he would now be able to travel to any time he wanted. Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 14 hours ago, Floyd said: Sorry to break the news to you, but that is exactly the kind of GM we have... every other year, Chevy takes a flyer on a low-cost player or two... Stemp could easily have been that guy this year. Some years it works - i.e. Perrault - and some years it doesn't - i.e. James Wright... it would have worked this year I'm going to miss the Stempniak threads where as soon as you say something positive about him, someone blows it up into 'you think we would have won the stanley cup if we signed him??? HA!' Reminds me of the Jerome Messam - thank god we didn't sign him because he doesn't play special teams arguments... I'm still not sure what you're arguing. Stempniak is better than a bunch of players currently on our roster. That isn't some revelation. Does that mean they should have signed Stempniak? Why? To what end purpose? Stempniak is a perfectly good 3rd line player, 2nd line on a weaker team. So we sign him and then what? We don't play Ehlers? Lowry doesn't get a second year of pro experience under his belt? Armia doesn't get called up? Copp doesn't get experience? Every other year Chevy has taken a flyer on a low-cost player or two because our young guys weren't ready to play in the NHL yet and we had roster spots to fill. And that's why they were always signed to one or two year deals - so they were not obstructing a roster spot for one of the young guys when they became ready. What offseason signings did the Jets make this year where the Jets could have accomplished the same thing with Stempniak and instead chose to go with a different player? Re-signing Peluso? So Stempniak is a guy we bring in to be an enforcer, sit in the press box for 40 games and play 5 minutes a night the other 40? Signing Fraser? So Stempniak is a guy who is going to take a cheap contract, play on the Moose most of the year and be ready to fill in for injuries, and get moved back down without getting claimed by another team? These are the actual roles for these players, not just a reflection of our surprise that they aren't Stamkos in disguise. Stempniak is too good a player for those roles. This season was a big part of development for the young players. Draft and development. It's a process. Look at what happened with Lowry this year. Growth is not a straight line trending up, and the time it takes for each player will be different. Stempniak is a decent enough player and I would have been fine with re-signing him. The young guys were finally considered ready enough to bring on-stream in 2.0. Any playing time given to Stempniak would come at their expense. The absence of his 20 goals is a short term pain for long term gain. New_Earth_Mud, The Unknown Poster, Jimmy Pop and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Many, many of us predicted that this was a step back year. Its not a surprise to most. FrostyWinnipeg, New_Earth_Mud, Goalie and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 3 hours ago, mbrg said: I'm still not sure what you're arguing. Stempniak is better than a bunch of players currently on our roster. That isn't some revelation. Does that mean they should have signed Stempniak? Why? To what end purpose? Stempniak is a perfectly good 3rd line player, 2nd line on a weaker team. So we sign him and then what? We don't play Ehlers? Lowry doesn't get a second year of pro experience under his belt? Armia doesn't get called up? Copp doesn't get experience? Every other year Chevy has taken a flyer on a low-cost player or two because our young guys weren't ready to play in the NHL yet and we had roster spots to fill. And that's why they were always signed to one or two year deals - so they were not obstructing a roster spot for one of the young guys when they became ready. What offseason signings did the Jets make this year where the Jets could have accomplished the same thing with Stempniak and instead chose to go with a different player? Re-signing Peluso? So Stempniak is a guy we bring in to be an enforcer, sit in the press box for 40 games and play 5 minutes a night the other 40? Signing Fraser? So Stempniak is a guy who is going to take a cheap contract, play on the Moose most of the year and be ready to fill in for injuries, and get moved back down without getting claimed by another team? These are the actual roles for these players, not just a reflection of our surprise that they aren't Stamkos in disguise. Stempniak is too good a player for those roles. I have no idea what your point is now - you just admitted Stemp is better than a bunch of vets on the roster... and then claim that his spot would cost a young player development time. Then you say Stemp is too good for the roles we need... how can a player be 'too good' if you signed him on a PTO? Maybe Ehlers progresses faster if he's playing with Stempniak instead of Thorburn for the first half of the season? Armia didn't get a shot until Scheif was injured really... Very basic... Stempniak competes with Burmi, Thorburn, Halischuk for spots... our bottom half is a problem this year. To be clear. Stempniak replaces Thorburn on the third line for the first half of the season... this affect no youth development, nothing. Just makes this team better. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 2 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: Many, many of us predicted that this was a step back year. Its not a surprise to most. Matt Fraser, that's all you had to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pop Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 19 hours ago, Floyd said: Sorry to break the news to you, but that is exactly the kind of GM we have... every other year, Chevy takes a flyer on a low-cost player or two... Stemp could easily have been that guy this year. Some years it works - i.e. Perrault - and some years it doesn't - i.e. James Wright... it would have worked this year I'm going to miss the Stempniak threads where as soon as you say something positive about him, someone blows it up into 'you think we would have won the stanley cup if we signed him??? HA!' Reminds me of the Jerome Messam - thank god we didn't sign him because he doesn't play special teams arguments... Good thing there haven't been any threads like that then. The one we've currently been beating the dead horse on is the people seemingly claiming that by not resigning Stempniak it was some sort of epic blunder by Chevy that costed us dearly. Not signing Lee Stempniak was not an error by the Jets, it was a reasonably calculated low risk move. Instead of blaming the Jets, people should give NJ the credit. They were the one team willing to give a try out to an aging journeyman with a limited skill set. He panned out, they dealt him and got a return. Good for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pop Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Considering Lee Stempniak has been mentioned 12894123 times more than he's worth, how about discussing another former Jet we didn't re-sign. Mike Frolik was a player we just couldn't afford to lose to many people. Now he's a 15 goal, 40 pt man with a fairly hefty price tag until he's 32 on a team no better than the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 12 minutes ago, Jimmy Pop said: Considering Lee Stempniak has been mentioned 12894123 times more than he's worth, how about discussing another former Jet we didn't re-sign. Mike Frolik was a player we just couldn't afford to lose to many people. Now he's a 15 goal, 40 pt man with a fairly hefty price tag until he's 32 on a team no better than the Jets. Yup dodged that bullet. I like Maurice's response to a question about Frolik "I liked Mike very much right up until he decided he didnt want to be a Jet anymore." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 23 minutes ago, Jimmy Pop said: Instead of blaming the Jets, people should give NJ the credit. They were the one team willing to give a try out to an aging journeyman with a limited skill set. He panned out, they dealt him and got a return. Good for them. I've given them plenty of credit. Good move by them, too bad it wasn't us. 20 minutes ago, Jimmy Pop said: Mike Frolik was a player we just couldn't afford to lose to many people. Now he's a 15 goal, 40 pt man with a fairly hefty price tag until he's 32 on a team no better than the Jets. Frolik's been a "15 & 40ish" guy his entire career. Burmi was somewhat of a dud as his replacement, but it was still probably good for us that he walked. Fun fact: Lee Stempiak's career best point total is higher than Frolik's best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) To me Ehlers replaced Frolik, just not on the PK. Did Burmi or Copp replace Stempy? Edited March 1, 2016 by FrostyWinnipeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 2 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: Matt Fraser, that's all you had to say. Not true. TUP was one of the first if not the first, poster to mention we might be taking a step back this year. You can argue about Stemp all you want but the highest he plays on the Jets is 3rd line this year. I'm not sure Copp benefited from NHL time this year or if he would have been better developed on the farm. If Stemp were signed, Copp could have seen much more ice time with the Moose....but then you would be bringing in one more rookie next season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Fro was mentioned by Chevy in the Q and A but he didn't mention him by name....something about if we had signed someone to 5m, we wouldn't have that money to do other things. Fro is gone and I am glad....sorry we didn't trade him at the TD but oh well, the guys got a taste of the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: To me Ehlers replaced Frolik, just not on the PK. Did Burmi or Copp replace Stempy? I guess it's up for interpretation as to who replaced who. It's logical to say Copp replaced Slater. After that any of them can probably can be argued. Petan was in our opening day lineup on the 4th line, so I'd say that's who got Stempniak's spot. Ehler's instead of Tlusty and Burmi for Frolik is how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pop Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 The reality is there never was a spot for Stempniak. He was a rental, no more no less. The Unknown Poster and Goalie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Scott Gomez signed by Ottawa... there goes their playoff dreams... FrostyWinnipeg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Pavelec gets named to Czech team for World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Ducky said: Pavelec gets named to Czech team for World Cup. Everyone needs a 'fall' guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Nope. Everyone needs a water boy. That's what Pavelec will be. Worst starting goalie in the league the last 6 seasons. The numbers say it all. The guy sucks and he won't play a game for the Czechs unless Mrazek or Neuvirth get hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taynted_Fayth Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 whats with this team N. America? I thought there was just going to be like a U23 team or something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 There's u23 and over 23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taynted_Fayth Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 are they making a U23 world team too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taynted_Fayth Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 my guess is it wont even matter, team canada is stacked to the **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) Pav to Czechs Helle to under 23 Wheeler and Buff team USA That's it for Jets so far This whole tournament doesn't really matter in my opinion. It's just nhl guys. It really is just a pointless thing. I think the USA has the best roster on paper. Canada is old. Edited March 3, 2016 by Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Couturier ahead of Scheifele , i don't think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 https://twitter.com/GinoRedaTSN/status/705213349106155520/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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