Catch all thread for discussing other NHL teams/news.

 

Up first:  Pittsburgh Penguins, my secondary team to cheer for.

 

I guess their worst start since Sid's rookie year could be because of their lousy defense.  Or bad coaching.  Or Kessel.

 

But in reality its because I took Fleury in my pool every year for 10 years until last year when I was fed up, he has his best year ever and then I took him this year and now he sucks. 

 

But really, whats the deal?  They might be the first to can their coach.

That's an interesting point, hardcoreblue.  However, do you think Buff makes a difference because he's here as opposed to if he was traded?  For example, we say Buff makes a difference both ways but if they traded him, they would have a plan to fill that hole and the team would, hopefully, come together/play better etc to make up for the loss of his talent.  In that way, once he's gone we could look back and say "well, he was, at times, great but his loss hasnt meant a ton".

That's an interesting point, hardcoreblue.  However, do you think Buff makes a difference because he's here as opposed to if he was traded?  For example, we say Buff makes a difference both ways but if they traded him, they would have a plan to fill that hole and the team would, hopefully, come together/play better etc to make up for the loss of his talent.  In that way, once he's gone we could look back and say "well, he was, at times, great but his loss hasnt meant a ton".

My position has always been with Buff is he's such a unique player that his skill set, his physicaility in a league of bigger players, the tone he sets on and off the ice will be very challenging to replace/match and if we don't sign him over the next 2-4 years I truly believe we will look back in that timeframe and say we wish we had him back. Unlike some here, as a keen observor I have not seen him regress and believe he still has some great years ahead of him. His pros outweigh his cons, that's how I look at it, not really a 'I'm right your wrong' approach to whether we retain him, more he's a package I strongly prefer as a Jet fan to have on my team, not on someone else's over the next few years if possible. That's my bias, my preference. 

I'll go back to last year with the Buff situation... Jets were very good without Buff in the lineup, Buff was actually suspended for the last what? 4 games of the year last year and we played our best damn hockey at that point... It makes you wonder maybe if the Jets rely on Buff too much, yeah he's good when he's good he's really good but when he's bad, he's really bad and the entire team suffers. 

The other thing is.... If the Jets win the stanley cup one day, Will Ladd or Buff be around? Because with Ladd, with Buff, we are a bubble team, they have made the playoffs once as a team with Buff and Ladd on it, just once... They were basically a .500 team for a long time or just above really.... 

 

Does trading Buff or Ladd or both... make us better? Short term? Probably not but in a year or 2 or 3... it probably does. 

 

That's an interesting point, hardcoreblue.  However, do you think Buff makes a difference because he's here as opposed to if he was traded?  For example, we say Buff makes a difference both ways but if they traded him, they would have a plan to fill that hole and the team would, hopefully, come together/play better etc to make up for the loss of his talent.  In that way, once he's gone we could look back and say "well, he was, at times, great but his loss hasnt meant a ton".

My position has always been with Buff is he's such a unique player that his skill set, his physicaility in a league of bigger players, the tone he sets on and off the ice will be very challenging to replace/match and if we don't sign him over the next 2-4 years I truly believe we will look back in that timeframe and say we wish we had him back. Unlike some here, as a keen observor I have not seen him regress and believe he still has some great years ahead of him. His pros outweigh his cons, that's how I look at it, not really a 'I'm right your wrong' approach to whether we retain him, more he's a package I strongly prefer as a Jet fan to have on my team, not on someone else's over the next few years if possible. That's my bias, my preference. 

 

I generally agree.  I would love to keep Buff if it was a 3-4 year deal.  But I see little reason why he'd accept that knowing he can do better on the open market.  Unless he really loves Winnipeg!

 

But Buff is one of those guys that needs to be managed, whether its his minutes, his D partners, moving him forward for a few games, finding ways to motivate him.  In one way you could say thats ridiculous and as a millionaire athlete he should manage himself.  But sometimes the most creative, most talented people are "disorganized" in life or mind or spirit and need extra managing to perform to their very best.

We having trouble scoring might be time to move Buff up again.Then we can dress Hardy and maybe bring up Harrison to be better defensively. Oh yeah and trade Burmi ass while he still might be worth something.

Lee Stempniak - 4g 10a in 17 games.

 

 

 

 

 

Lee Stempniak - 4g 10a in 17 games.

Playing first line and pp minutes. Got a PTO. Context is important

Rather give the young guys the time they need.

How about Malkin for ???

How about Malkin for ???

Trouba Scheif Lowry +++

@NicholsOnHockey: Dreger: Cheveldayoff has been working the phones, trying to drum up interest. #NHLJets in the market for preferably top-6 forward.

@NicholsOnHockey: Dreger: Cheveldayoff has been working the phones, trying to drum up interest. #NHLJets in the market for preferably top-6 forward.

Buff Burmi probably being shopped. Maybe Ladd too. Let the B Schenn to Winnipeg speculation begin

 

@NicholsOnHockey: Dreger: Cheveldayoff has been working the phones, trying to drum up interest. #NHLJets in the market for preferably top-6 forward.

Buff Burmi probably being shopped. Maybe Ladd too. Let the B Schenn to Winnipeg speculation begin

 

Yup, some more rumors of Philly and Winnipeg still talking.  Dreger went on to report it was not an easy trade market and that nothing was happening.  if they did land a top six, who in the current top six gets pushed down (or moved).  Lets assume Ladd stays, just for gigs and shittles.

Buff Burmi to Philly for Schenn Sanheim or Provorov and a 1st. I'd make that deal. I'd even take a cap dump like Luke Schenn to make it happen

Damn that didn't work well...

Ladd Little Wheeler

?? Scheif Ehlers

Perreault Lowry Stafford

Who knows who is being shopped tho... Ladd? Buff? Burmi? Stafford even? Hard to say

Apparently Enstrom is bring shopped. Interesting to see that. Gotta wonder if there are multiple trades being worked on.

Enstrom for top 6

Buff or Ladd and Burmi for D man

Damn that didn't work well...

Ladd Little Wheeler

?? Scheif Ehlers

Perreault Lowry Stafford

Who knows who is being shopped tho... Ladd? Buff? Burmi? Stafford even? Hard to say

Apparently Enstrom is bring shopped. Interesting to see that. Gotta wonder if there are multiple trades being worked on.

Enstrom for top 6

Buff or Ladd and Burmi for D man

is that a reliable source on Toby?  I find that hard to believe.  He's a good D and by far our best LHD.  Saw on another forum the fancy stats have Toby and Buff in the top 20 or so of D-men in the league.

 

Also interesting that Chevy is chasing a top six forward when the D seems to be the bigger problem.

He's also the guy on the team getting paid the most and is probably 2 small 4 the west. Might get a good return. Call it a mini rebuild since with the current core they are a .500 team. I'm down with a rebuild

Toby, Ladd (re-signed), Stuart and a 1st for B. Schenn, Simmonds and Provorov.

Please don't bring L. Schenn here.

He's also the guy on the team getting paid the most and is probably 2 small 4 the west. Might get a good return. Call it a mini rebuild since with the current core they are a .500 team. I'm down with a rebuild

Just under 20 games into the season where we made the playoffs last year in a tough division and the suggestion is for a rebuild? Wow. Yes we can sometimes overestimate the talent of our current core foundation but we can also make the mistakes of underestimating it and/or misdiagnosing our current issues that plague this team.

One season we barely got in and a few where it wasn't close

Toby, Ladd (re-signed), Stuart and a 1st for B. Schenn, Simmonds and Provorov.

Please don't bring L. Schenn here.

Jets get screwed here. We are adding a first why. Toby plus Burmi probably gets close to that. Ladd re-signed gets more

You are giving up age and a declining game plus a first for a RW in his prime signed to a VERY nice contract and a winger with really good D smarts and the 2nd best D man in the draft last year. A LHD at that.

One season we barely got in and a few where it wasn't close

Just to use your Cheshire Cat's train of thought, I believe, with patience and appropriate tinkering, the Jets can and will trend upwards if we stay the course. That's how I hope my reality plays out.

I think we are trending upwards. Just because we have a slightly lower record than last year does not mean we aren't trending upward.

Let's not forget how many new forwards we are bringing into  the system this season.