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Lawless: Chill Out, Let Miller & Co Do Their Jobs

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/football/bombers/Dont-put-a-stopwatch-on-Miller-Time-326774901.html


 


Wade Miller doesn’t need the job. Which in the end may enable him to do it properly.


The CEO of the Winnipeg Blue Bombers could clean his desk out at Investors Group Field tomorrow and move back to Pinnacle or one of his other businesses. He doesn’t need the paycheque and has other interests to keep him busy. This isn’t to say he doesn’t want the job. He does. And he wants to be successful, returning the Bombers to a position of relevance in the CFL.



But he won’t do it dancing to someone else’s tune. He can’t. It doesn’t work that way in pro football — or any business. Too many cooks, as they say. Or in the case of the Bombers — too many passionate observers.


Miller doesn’t have to take advice from a well-meaning but misinformed booster. He doesn’t have to allow the now mounting pressure from fans or his board of directors to influence his decisions.


He can quite confidently say, "I’m doing it my way and if you don’t like that — go find someone else."


A loss in Saturday’s Banjo Bowl will very likely signify the end of any playoff hopes for this season and put Miller in the latest of tough spots.


Hey, maybe if they fall to 3-8, the Bombers will find a way to win six of their last seven and get to nine wins which may or may not qualify them for the post-season. But the more realistic guess is they’ll be toast and thoughts will once again have to turn to next season.


The clamour for change will hit new heights and Winnipeg the football market will become a crucible.


Miller has lots of qualifications for the job he holds but his ability to be impenetrable and above the whims of others may be the most important.


It may save the organization from yet another in a series of inglorious gaffes. From a continuation of poor hirings and quick firings which has kept this team championship-less for 25 years. From changing direction well before it’s clear they’re headed to the wrong destination.


Fans are already staying away from the stadium. The ultimate pressure — a drop in revenue will soon be on Miller’s doorstep. The board will have questions and in the past it’s right about now when they’ve wanted to be involved in providing the answers.


Less than two seasons into a fresh start program, people will want to hit the ejector seat button and start anew. It’s more difficult to continue on a path — even one facing challenges — and let people complete the tasks as put forth in a plan. Historically the Bombers have taken the easy way out. We know what that’s gotten this city’s football fans.


It may prove the planners are flawed and indeed misplaced, but it’s too early to reach that conclusion. Miller knows this.


Will he lie down in front of his office door and tell his board they’ll need to fire him in order to get to his football operations staff?


This is where it gets tricky in Bomberland. Where a volunteer board with no football administration experience gets involved in decisions from which they should be kept away. In the past they couldn’t help themselves and had to put their fingers in the pie.


They got it right when they hired Miller and board chair Brock Bulbuck promised his group would be hands-off. Now it’s time to stick to those vows. That part of the process is more important than the results of today.


Same old Bombers, you say? Attempting to influence or even removing Miller would truly be the same old Bombers. The board-influenced Bombers that fired Cal Murphy, gave Jeff Reinebold and Mike Kelly the keys to the kingdom, allowed Brendan Taman to be forced out, hired Joe Mack, extended Joe Mack, fired Paul LaPolice, installed Garth Buchko and oversaw a stadium file riddled with ineptitude.


Letting the CEO do his job and allowing him to let GM Kyle Walters and head coach Mike O’Shea continue with their plan would actually represent true change and offer hope that a new day is actually upon the Blue Bombers.


Two years isn’t enough time to turn around a professional sports franchise.


Miller has held strong on the football operations end of things to date. He hired Walters and he was involved in the process of selecting and courting O’Shea. These are his guys. He wants them to succeed. Left to his own devices, Miller will let this duo return for next year.


It’s impossible to predict what will happen next season with this team. Walters has improved the roster but he hasn’t had time to create depth. The point of Walters’ plan was to build an organization with depth and the ability to overcome injuries and the loss of talent due to free agency. To construct a scouting department which constantly churns out useful players. To hire a coach who would grow with the team and eventually take them to a Grey Cup. And then another. And another. To win championships and be a perennial contender.


From the beginning, he said it would take time. Winnipeg loved the sound of it when Walters first spoke as GM and laid out his scheme. But now, with the pain of potentially missing the playoffs once again taking hold, many in Bombers nation have developed short memories. Or they ignored the bit about time all along.


Maybe the guy in the luxury suite with purple teeth after a few too many glasses of pinot noir should be heard and his words acted upon. Perhaps the person in line at the Rum Hut sporting a paper bag has all the answers.


Or maybe it’s time to give people a real opportunity to do their job. Maybe Miller Time should be judged with a dispassionate eye and not a stopwatch.


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The only thing I truly disagree with is his assertion that it takes a professional team 3-5 years to turn it around... that is usually correct but doesn't really apply to the CFL... yes I know it's been mentioned but Hamilton is the perfect example... 

 

2012 they were 6-12 with a decent offense and terrible defense...

2013 they throw money and lure Kent Austin there... in the first year they make it to the cup finals...

2014 they ditch their vet QB for a young guy and make it to Grey Cup again and just barely lose...

2015 probably the best team in the league with the best defense (see comments from 2012)...

 

they turned it around to being competitive right away and were a power house in the third year... we're two years in a still barely competitive... how many people here believe the Bombers will be a power house next year?  

Let's compare ...

 

Bob Young - Our BOD

Kent Austin - Walters/O'Shea

 

Uh, no!

The only thing I truly disagree with is his assertion that it takes a professional team 3-5 years to turn it around... that is usually correct but doesn't really apply to the CFL... yes I know it's been mentioned but Hamilton is the perfect example... 

 

2012 they were 6-12 with a decent offense and terrible defense...

2013 they throw money and lure Kent Austin there... in the first year they make it to the cup finals...

2014 they ditch their vet QB for a young guy and make it to Grey Cup again and just barely lose...

2015 probably the best team in the league with the best defense (see comments from 2012)...

 

they turned it around to being competitive right away and were a power house in the third year... we're two years in a still barely competitive... how many people here believe the Bombers will be a power house next year?  

 

There are a lot of things that play into how quickly a team can find success under a new regime other than just the affect the new management has.  Core units staying intact, consistency in schemes, health of players, etc.  

 

Austin was also not a typical hire either.  A previous Grey Cup winning head coach ready to come back to the CFL doesn't come along very often.  I think you can't compare that to what we have with O'Shea.

The only thing I truly disagree with is his assertion that it takes a professional team 3-5 years to turn it around... that is usually correct but doesn't really apply to the CFL... yes I know it's been mentioned but Hamilton is the perfect example... 

 

2012 they were 6-12 with a decent offense and terrible defense...

2013 they throw money and lure Kent Austin there... in the first year they make it to the cup finals...

2014 they ditch their vet QB for a young guy and make it to Grey Cup again and just barely lose...

2015 probably the best team in the league with the best defense (see comments from 2012)...

 

they turned it around to being competitive right away and were a power house in the third year... we're two years in a still barely competitive... how many people here believe the Bombers will be a power house next year?  

How about we talk about the years before that? Rebuilding isn't just about a new person coming in, it's about what's already in the system when a person comes in, and in the Bombers case the QB and NI situations have been bad for a long long time and not a lot has been built. When Kelly took over the team basically had Brown and Labatte and a bunch of meh canadians. Kelly didn't do much to add to the NIs in his year, then Labatte leaves in free agency and we have Brown retiring and we're left with a bunch of meh at NI. Mack brought in some guys like Watson and Muamba, but Watsons injuries and Muamba going to the NFL again left it pretty meh. Now we're in a situation where they're still trying to get some quality NIs in here. The qb thing is even worse. Kelly destroyed the position. Mack went out and signed Pierce and Jyles as vets but neither one of them lasted. Pierce was broken and no one was able to develop. Now we have Willy but he's missing a lot of time to injury and the backups aren't developing. 

 

When nothing ever gets built it doesn't matter who you hire it's not going to be a quick turn around. 

So did Austin inherit a pool of talent or was he hired and then they found the talent.....I think it was door number 2

So did Austin inherit a pool of talent or was he hired and then they found the talent.....I think it was door number 2

It's never one or the other. If you have no base it takes more time to build. The Bombers might as well have been an expansion team the way things went. Patience was required instead we kept blowing **** up every year or two. 

So did Austin inherit a pool of talent or was he hired and then they found the talent.....I think it was door number 2

It's never one or the other. If you have no base it takes more time to build. The Bombers might as well have been an expansion team the way things went. Patience was required instead we kept blowing **** up every year or two.

And this is the crux of it. After Kelly and Mack, this squad was essentially an expansion team minus the expansion draft..

Our canadian content was garbage. Imports were not much better..QB was a joke. We have just began to have inhouse draft picks developing and hopefully filling the ranks and not just cut or traded. Our QB situation is still murky and our imports, although slowly, have been improving steadily at most positions.

This team was brutal, period. They covered it up but at the end of the day it is what it is..

The 'we gotta give them more time' group still hasn't given any examples of when teams have given losing HC's/GM's extra time and it's worked out well. If 'giving them more time' is the right way to go, where's the list of rookie HC's who didn't make the playoffs in their first 2 years who went on to greatness or were even kept by their teams?

 

The Bombers have tried the give them more time theory before.  With Mack. It was an unmitigated disaster.

 

Pro football is about results. No playoffs in year 1 gets some HC's fired. No playoffs for 2 years in a row gets most HC's fired. 

I am not as concerned about using the playoffs as a measuring stick for success. I believe that if you demonstrate development and improvement in personnel and performance that can warrant patience. The QB issue remains a concern. As have extended periods of stagnation the past 2 seasons. Nichols may prove a stop gap but we still need to look at the big picture over the remainder of the season.

 

The only thing I truly disagree with is his assertion that it takes a professional team 3-5 years to turn it around... that is usually correct but doesn't really apply to the CFL... yes I know it's been mentioned but Hamilton is the perfect example... 

 

2012 they were 6-12 with a decent offense and terrible defense...

2013 they throw money and lure Kent Austin there... in the first year they make it to the cup finals...

2014 they ditch their vet QB for a young guy and make it to Grey Cup again and just barely lose...

2015 probably the best team in the league with the best defense (see comments from 2012)...

 

they turned it around to being competitive right away and were a power house in the third year... we're two years in a still barely competitive... how many people here believe the Bombers will be a power house next year?  

How about we talk about the years before that? Rebuilding isn't just about a new person coming in, it's about what's already in the system when a person comes in, and in the Bombers case the QB and NI situations have been bad for a long long time and not a lot has been built. When Kelly took over the team basically had Brown and Labatte and a bunch of meh canadians. Kelly didn't do much to add to the NIs in his year, then Labatte leaves in free agency and we have Brown retiring and we're left with a bunch of meh at NI. Mack brought in some guys like Watson and Muamba, but Watsons injuries and Muamba going to the NFL again left it pretty meh. Now we're in a situation where they're still trying to get some quality NIs in here. The qb thing is even worse. Kelly destroyed the position. Mack went out and signed Pierce and Jyles as vets but neither one of them lasted. Pierce was broken and no one was able to develop. Now we have Willy but he's missing a lot of time to injury and the backups aren't developing. 

 

When nothing ever gets built it doesn't matter who you hire it's not going to be a quick turn around. 

 

 

You're absolutely right... to get a "fuller" perspective of Hamilton's turn around you would need to go back to 2003 (give or take) when they were 1-17... it took them a few years to get to mediocrity under Bellefuille... that continued with Cortez (that team was probably a little better than their 6-12 record suggests)... and finally on to the Austin era....

 

the point I was making is that teams can turn it around in a year or 2 in the CFL as long as some of the pieces are there... it wasn't meant to be a shot at the current Bombers regime...maybe this is not the regime to get us back to prominence... maybe this regime is the Bellefiulle era in the Hamilton example...

 

mostly just pointing out that Lawless was wrong about that fact... 

Lawless, Doug Brown et al. are entitled to their opinion. The notion that because someone has been given a pen and paper and a vehicle to scribble on makes them an expert is a stretch. They seem to often be able to whip people into a firestorm and at times seem to then relish in it. Their opinion is and will remain simply that to me....an individual opinion and nothing more.

Lawless seems to like these guys personally, which I'm sure is playing into him preaching patience.

The 'we gotta give them more time' group still hasn't given any examples of when teams have given losing HC's/GM's extra time and it's worked out well. If 'giving them more time' is the right way to go, where's the list of rookie HC's who didn't make the playoffs in their first 2 years who went on to greatness or were even kept by their teams?

 

The Bombers have tried the give them more time theory before.  With Mack. It was an unmitigated disaster.

 

Pro football is about results. No playoffs in year 1 gets some HC's fired. No playoffs for 2 years in a row gets most HC's fired. 

 

Just because the "give them more time" theory hasn't worked most recently with Mack, you can't dismiss the idea altogether going forward.  We've tried the "can them every two years" theory many more times in the last 25 years and where has that gotten us?  

 

Two different GMs, Mack and Walters, with two different philosophies on either end of the spectrum, not to mention two completely different backgrounds.  I wouldn't be so quick to suggest the same results would happen giving him an extra year. 

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Lawless seems to like these guys personally, which I'm sure is playing into him preaching patience.

He worked for the Argos back in the day...he and MOS are buddies from a way back. That said, he's still right about patience....

 

The 'we gotta give them more time' group still hasn't given any examples of when teams have given losing HC's/GM's extra time and it's worked out well. If 'giving them more time' is the right way to go, where's the list of rookie HC's who didn't make the playoffs in their first 2 years who went on to greatness or were even kept by their teams?

 

The Bombers have tried the give them more time theory before.  With Mack. It was an unmitigated disaster.

 

Pro football is about results. No playoffs in year 1 gets some HC's fired. No playoffs for 2 years in a row gets most HC's fired. 

 

Just because the "give them more time" theory hasn't worked most recently with Mack, you can't dismiss the idea altogether going forward.  We've tried the "can them every two years" theory many more times in the last 25 years and where has that gotten us?  

 

Two different GMs, Mack and Walters, with two different philosophies on either end of the spectrum, not to mention two completely different backgrounds.  I would be so quick to suggest the same results would happen with an extra year. 

 

No one's given me a single example of when the "give them more time" theory actually worked. 

 

It's not the firings that are the problem. It's the hirings. We gave Burke and PLAP more time than they deserved (2 more examples where giving them more time didn't work out). All that got us was "replace them mid-season" which almost never works.

No one's given me a single example of when the "give them more time" theory actually worked. 

 

 

Dave Richie went 13-22-1 in his first two seasons with the Bombers. 14-4 in year three.

Obviously overlooked in the debate about which team vaulted to elite status ahead of others, is the QB status of the clubs. If you don't have a sustainable elite starter...you ain't going anywhere.

 

No one's given me a single example of when the "give them more time" theory actually worked. 

 

 

Dave Richie went 13-22-1 in his first two seasons with the Bombers. 14-4 in year three.

 

Dave Richie wasn't a rookie HC. When we signed him, he'd never missed the playoffs before and had won a Grey Cup. He made the playoffs in year 2 (7-10-1) with Winnipeg, winning 5 of the last 9, losing by 2 points in the semi. If O'Shea does the same, he should be kept on.

What distubs me is Ottawa, an expansion club, appears tp be ahead of us in development and play ... agree or not they have a win now attitude in terms of their personnel .... thats all that counts in the dfl

What distubs me is Ottawa, an expansion club, appears tp be ahead of us in development and play ... agree or not they have a win now attitude in terms of their personnel .... thats all that counts in the dfl

Ottawa also hasn't had their starting qb get hurt either which puts them ahead of every team in the league except Calgary and Hamilton. 

 

 

No one's given me a single example of when the "give them more time" theory actually worked. 

 

 

Dave Richie went 13-22-1 in his first two seasons with the Bombers. 14-4 in year three.

 

Dave Richie wasn't a rookie HC. When we signed him, he'd never missed the playoffs before and had won a Grey Cup. He made the playoffs in year 2 (7-10-1) with Winnipeg, winning 5 of the last 9, losing by 2 points in the semi. If O'Shea does the same, he should be kept on.

 

 

Why does it matter if the coach is a rookie or not?  If anything a rookie coach should be given a little more time to get comfortable as the head guy and work through the rookie-type mistakes. 

Experienced HC's have their record to fall back on as proof that they can be good HC's. Rookie HC's don't have any record, so you have to judge them only on what they are accomplishing at the moment. I can't think of any time in the CFL that a rookie HC was given a 3rd year to see if he could get his team into the playoffs. There's a reason for that... make the playoffs or get canned.

 

 

The 'we gotta give them more time' group still hasn't given any examples of when teams have given losing HC's/GM's extra time and it's worked out well. If 'giving them more time' is the right way to go, where's the list of rookie HC's who didn't make the playoffs in their first 2 years who went on to greatness or were even kept by their teams?

 

The Bombers have tried the give them more time theory before.  With Mack. It was an unmitigated disaster.

 

Pro football is about results. No playoffs in year 1 gets some HC's fired. No playoffs for 2 years in a row gets most HC's fired. 

 

Just because the "give them more time" theory hasn't worked most recently with Mack, you can't dismiss the idea altogether going forward.  We've tried the "can them every two years" theory many more times in the last 25 years and where has that gotten us?  

 

Two different GMs, Mack and Walters, with two different philosophies on either end of the spectrum, not to mention two completely different backgrounds.  I would be so quick to suggest the same results would happen with an extra year. 

 

No one's given me a single example of when the "give them more time" theory actually worked. 

 

It's not the firings that are the problem. It's the hirings. We gave Burke and PLAP more time than they deserved (2 more examples where giving them more time didn't work out). All that got us was "replace them mid-season" which almost never works.

 

 

So when should have Burke been fired exactly?  I think he deserved the chance to have a full year with the job, run his own team with a full TC, and see how he could work through the adversity.  After that season, when there was no improvement whatsoever coupled with the fact that he looked completely disinterested, he was rightfully let go.

 

Can't understand the Lapo example either.  He made it to the Grey Cup his second season, and was fired midway through his third, so when was he given more time?  Should he have been fired after taking his team to the Grey Cup?  Or after his rookie year when we lost a bunch of close games?

Experienced HC's have their record to fall back on as proof that they can be good HC's. Rookie HC's don't have any record, so you have to judge them only on what they are accomplishing at the moment. I can't think of any time in the CFL that a rookie HC was given a 3rd year to see if he could get his team into the playoffs. There's a reason for that... make the playoffs or get canned.

 

Joe Paopao had 5 losing seasons, missing the playoffs in each one, four in a row in Ottawa.  Not a record to fall back on in any situation.

Lawless seems to like these guys personally, which I'm sure is playing into him preaching patience.

Funny how members here hate Lawless only when he writes something they don't like but then like him if he writes something they like. Otherwise they call him a dirtbag journalist.

 

 

 

So when should have Burke been fired exactly?  I think he deserved the chance to have a full year with the job, run his own team with a full TC, and see how he could work through the adversity.  After that season, when there was no improvement whatsoever coupled with the fact that he looked completely disinterested, he was rightfully let go.

 

Can't understand the Lapo example either.  He made it to the Grey Cup his second season, and was fired midway through his third, so when was he given more time?  Should he have been fired after taking his team to the Grey Cup?  Or after his rookie year when we lost a bunch of close games?

 

I wouldn't have given Burke the 2nd year. He hadn't shown anything that made me think he could turn the Bombers around.

 

I'll take back PLAP. I wouldn't have given PLAP the extended contract after the GC year, but I wouldn't have canned him after the GC.

 

 

 

Experienced HC's have their record to fall back on as proof that they can be good HC's. Rookie HC's don't have any record, so you have to judge them only on what they are accomplishing at the moment. I can't think of any time in the CFL that a rookie HC was given a 3rd year to see if he could get his team into the playoffs. There's a reason for that... make the playoffs or get canned.

 

Joe Paopao had 5 losing seasons, missing the playoffs in each one, four in a row in Ottawa.  Not a record to fall back on in any situation.

 

You're using the total failure of Joe Paopao as an example? Fired after his first year in BC. Ottawa kept giving him more time for 4 years and never saw the playoffs. He's the perfect example of why you don't give losing coaches more time to get it right.

 

I went through all the HC's for all the teams since 2000 looking for one who'd missed the playoffs in their first 2 years and were kept on. Looks like Danny Barrett was the only one. (Even Ron Lancaster was fired for missing the playoffs 2 years in a row) His high point was 2003 at 11-7. Every other year he was .500 or below. 

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