Ducky Posted March 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 56 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said: Where's Myers? out for Hamonic......I would add a bit to Myers for Hamonic. Not a bad D corps tho eh? Enstrom Buff Chychrun Hamonic Morrissey Trouba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Myers = Hamonic. Myers brings more 0. Hamonic brings more D. They are very similar actually.Nobody would need to add. Nothing significant at least. Maybe at most a 4th round pick but myers and Hamonic straight up is pretty fair. I wouldn't add more than a 4th Rd pick. Not sure why any jets fan would. Hamonic is being massively over valued. Myers for Hamonic is fair. You don't make that trade if you end up losing it and adding more than a 4th Rd pick = losing the trade The Unknown Poster and Floyd 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 I'd add as much as a 2nd. I don't judge Hamonic on one game. He averages 24 minutes of shutdown hockey every game. Myers is very poor defensively and the reason he won't be traded is because of his salary friendly contract. I'd add a 2017 2nd rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Myers and Hamonic's metrics are almost exactly the same... Myers scores more I'm having a hard time seeing a trade that makes sense to bring Hamonic here if Myers isn't enough. Islanders are not in any cap trouble, have lots of prospects... similar team to Jets just a couple years ahead. IF we end up with Hamonic, he's probably third pairing - Trouba plays way better when he gets a lot of minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Hamonic's caphit is 1.7m less than Myers' and he is signed for one more year than Myers is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) Adding a 2nd means you lose that trade. They are equal in value. Myers for Hamonic straight up or we just keep myers. It's really that simple. Cuz you know what... Buff Trouba Myers aka rhd isn't an issue with the Jets. We don't need Hamonic. Yeah it would be nice but why overpay for him when he's another RHD. Myers straight up or no deal really. I'm not basing Hamonic on one game either. I'm not basing myers on one game either also. They are equal. Their fancy stats are pretty similar. Slight edge to myers actually Edited March 11, 2016 by Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Isles don't want Myers tho. Heck they dont want Trouba straight up we hear. Fook that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 They didn't want him during the season. Trouba = isles add big time. Myers for Hamonic could happen in the off season or maybe it doesn't. Who knows. Or maybe the jets don't have to trade Myers or Trouba to get him in the off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 The Islanders will have to lower there demands for Hamonic to be traded to Winnipeg Chevy won't pony up Trouba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 45 minutes ago, Goalie said: Adding a 2nd means you lose that trade. They are equal in value. Myers for Hamonic straight up or we just keep myers. It's really that simple. Cuz you know what... Buff Trouba Myers aka rhd isn't an issue with the Jets. We don't need Hamonic. Yeah it would be nice but why overpay for him when he's another RHD. Myers straight up or no deal really. I'm not basing Hamonic on one game either. I'm not basing myers on one game either also. They are equal. Their fancy stats are pretty similar. Slight edge to myers actually Win or lose the Jets are a better team after the trade. Much better defensively and Trouba can pick up the offense that he really should be anyway. Where did you see in any universe where Myers' stats are better than Hamonic's? Hamonic plays against every team's 1st line and has better stats than Myers. It is a fact that Myers' D pairing's stats are always poorer with Myers as a pair....if you really want to talk stats. Myers and a 2nd in 2017 and we are a much better team. We easily replace that 2nd by trading Staf at the trade deadline next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 30 minutes ago, Ducky said: Win or lose the Jets are a better team after the trade. Much better defensively and Trouba can pick up the offense that he really should be anyway. Where did you see in any universe where Myers' stats are better than Hamonic's? Hamonic plays against every team's 1st line and has better stats than Myers. It is a fact that Myers' D pairing's stats are always poorer with Myers as a pair....if you really want to talk stats. Myers and a 2nd in 2017 and we are a much better team. We easily replace that 2nd by trading Staf at the trade deadline next season. Leddy and Boychuk are their top D. He's not on their main power play or penalty kill guy... very very similar player to Myers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 13 hours ago, Ducky said: out for Hamonic......I would add a bit to Myers for Hamonic. Not a bad D corps tho eh? Enstrom Buff Chychrun Hamonic Morrissey Trouba Enstrom in that D corp is my main issue. As for Chychrun, we need to see if he can make the jump to the bigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 11 hours ago, Floyd said: Leddy and Boychuk are their top D. He's not on their main power play or penalty kill guy... very very similar player to Myers. Hamonic is on their 1st PK team plus he averages more TOI than any other D man on the team. Where do you get your info from???????? Spewing BS really helps your credibility. Do some research before you post. FrostyWinnipeg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Actually, he plays more than any other player on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Ducky: Be Honest, IF hamonic didn't want to be traded here, if he wasn't from Manitoba? would you still be pumping his tires as much? Cuz i feel, perhaps you are over valuing what Hamonic actually brings. He's a good d man but on the Jets, he's probably not in the top 4 unless he can play the left side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 He'd be the 2nd best RHD we have if all our D men suited up healthy next game and the Jets are a better team with him in the lineup. He would be a great mentor to the young D we have in the system and I really wouldn't even care if he were born in Russia. Read a bit about him. Check out what coaches and management types have to say about him. Check out what players from his team AND other teams have to say about him. Look at how he is handling his trade request going public. He is a pro and wants to play in Winnipeg and happens to be one of the better shutdown D men in the league (world). He doesn't get mentioned in the Norris conversation because he doesn't produce points. I don't care. With the D men the Jets have that shouldn't be a problem, especially if Myers isn't here and Trouba is given more O time. If Hamonic were an LHD, he would have been here already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Not saying Hamonic isn't a very very good player... he's top 4 D. But so is Myers. Halak is probably the difference between their stats... especially PK. Hamonic was eating minutes after Boychuk's injury... Not sure how Hamonic is a better mentor than Myers - both are 25/26 yrs and experienced Myers-Hamonic straight up would actually be a really good trade for the Isles... they need an offensive Dman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, Floyd said: Not saying Hamonic isn't a very very good player... he's top 4 D. But so is Myers. Halak is probably the difference between their stats... especially PK. Hamonic was eating minutes after Boychuk's injury... Not sure how Hamonic is a better mentor than Myers - both are 25/26 yrs and experienced Myers-Hamonic straight up would actually be a really good trade for the Isles... they need an offensive Dman... Because Hamonic could actually tell them how to play defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 The one major benefit Hamonic brings is He's local and wants to he here. Could teach them to play D? Is he the coach now also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) You don't think players learn from other players? Just last week Maurice was saying they learn more from the guy they sit next to on the bench than any coach. So, ya, I think he can help them out. You don't think Morrissey was helped out by Myers a few games ago? Being local is fine and dandy but wanting to play here is huge. I think he brings other major benefits as well. Enstrom-Hamonic would be an excellent shutdown pairing. Floyd, The Isles' D men are outscoring the Jets D men.....not saying they couldn't use and offensive-minded D man but they get more offense from their back end then the Jets do. Edited March 12, 2016 by Ducky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Ducky said: Floyd, The Isles' D men are outscoring the Jets D men.....not saying they couldn't use and offensive-minded D man but they get more offense from their back end then the Jets do. Except they're not... they have more depth on D but their top 4 don't have as many points as Jets top 4 You look at these two defence cores and your glaring differences are more the fact that Stuart had a prominent PK role for much of the year... you replace Stuart with a guy like Hickey... that's a big improvement Edited March 12, 2016 by Floyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 That all depends on who you call their top 4....De Haan is a top 4 pairing (paired with Hamonic) but he is only 6th in scoring. I'd rather replace Stu with Hamonic.......when he gets back, I don't think Stu sees as much PK time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 15 minutes ago, Ducky said: That all depends on who you call their top 4....De Haan is a top 4 pairing (paired with Hamonic) but he is only 6th in scoring. I'd rather replace Stu with Hamonic.......when he gets back, I don't think Stu sees as much PK time. Its pretty clear who the top four are... its that third pairing that is totally out performing ours. Leddy-Boychuk DeHaan-Hamonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taynted_Fayth Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 It's scheifele's bday today, time to trade him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 On 3/11/2016 at 11:11 PM, Ducky said: You don't think players learn from other players? Just last week Maurice was saying they learn more from the guy they sit next to on the bench than any coach. So, ya, I think he can help them out. You don't think Morrissey was helped out by Myers a few games ago? Being local is fine and dandy but wanting to play here is huge. I think he brings other major benefits as well. Enstrom-Hamonic would be an excellent shutdown pairing. Floyd, The Isles' D men are outscoring the Jets D men.....not saying they couldn't use and offensive-minded D man but they get more offense from their back end then the Jets do. as long as the puck never went into the corner, and as long as no one ever was standing in front of the net. But otherwise, yeah Enstrom can really shut down the other team all right. Seriously, I spit out my coffee laughing when I read that sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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