iso_55 Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 if we get an 8 win season with the offense progressing with a new qb though why do we need to blow **** up? Because we aren't as good as that. If we get an 8 win season on the backs of primarily Hamilton & Edmonton & think we're on the right track then it's an illusion & voila, next year the same bloody thing with the same people running the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinBlue Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 If our QB progresses as the year moves along, who is to say we aren't better than an 8 win season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 Because we aren't as good as that. If we get an 8 win season on the backs of primarily Hamilton & Edmonton & think we're on the right track then it's an illusion & voila, next year the same bloody thing with the same people running the show. but you neglected the other part of it... if the offense is progressing and Goltz is looking like a legit qb and we wind up with 8 wins on the year why do we need to blow that up? Would that not be a sign that the team is on the right track and worth building on rather than blowing it up? I think you're too committed to the idea of blowing everything up that it's clouding your ability to look at possibilities other than the team sucking the hind *** all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 When we say blow it up it seems to mean just players. I want the management blown up & Crowton gone but not the core of players so much. Hey, I'd even give Burke another season to prove himself but I want Mack gone. That's blowing it up to me. If we have a good core of players to build around they'll still be here if management changes. We can still go forward with a new GM. Burke would be on the hot seat for sure, but that's okay as he should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 but it's all the same point. I know you want Mack and Crowton gone, but I'm saying if the team shows progress with Goltz at qb why is that an indictment of those guys? Doesn't that just show that things could be on the right track? Like I said, I think you're too committed to changes to see anything else at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 To keep Mack around, we need a clear winning season, like 10-8 or 11-7. The way things are going, it's not good enough & he's has more than enough time to do it. Like I said, if the core of this team is good enough, they'll stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 no that's insane and an arbitrary number. If there is enough progress shown then I'd say it's perfectly reasonable to keep people around regardless of what the record is. Noting that progress inevitably leads to wins. 10-8 would require a 9-4 finish to the season, that's unrealistic to expect at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 no that's insane and an arbitrary number. If there is enough progress shown then I'd say it's perfectly reasonable to keep people around regardless of what the record is. Noting that progress inevitably leads to wins. 10-8 would require a 9-4 finish to the season, that's unrealistic to expect at this point. Just as unrealistic to think that after 3 plus seasons as GM we shouldn't have a winning record & think that's okay? If we can't go 9-4 well, too bad, so sad for Mack. He's had his chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 Just as unrealistic to think that after 3 plus seasons as GM we shouldn't have a winning record & think that's okay? If we can't go 9-4 well, too bad, so sad for Mack. He's had his chance. but a lot of those issues were related to a struggling qb/offense. if a new qb shows progress there then is what the GM has done that bad? I've said it before I'll say it again, Mack isn't doing harm to the roster, he is building depth year after year, in that situation you can afford a guy more patience than if he's going full Kelly on the roster and devastating it in terms of depth. blitzmore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rids Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 More names for the other category. Duane Forde (I already know how you feel Bomber fans but he's got to be on the list for any CFL team looking for player personnel directors) Rick Worman Mike Reilly Kerwin Bell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 but a lot of those issues were related to a struggling qb/offense. if a new qb shows progress there then is what the GM has done that bad? I've said it before I'll say it again, Mack isn't doing harm to the roster, he is building depth year after year, in that situation you can afford a guy more patience than if he's going full Kelly on the roster and devastating it in terms of depth. You & I both want the same thing. A winning team. We just disagree on how to do it. No problem, I respect your opinion. Let's hope someday soon we have a team that plays winning football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 More names for the other category. Duane Forde (I already know how you feel Bomber fans but he's got to be on the list for any CFL team looking for player personnel directors) Rick Worman Mike Reilly Kerwin Bell You mean former head coach Mike Riley? He's in deep at Oregon State. I think he'll be there for a long time yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 More names for the other category. Duane Forde (I already know how you feel Bomber fans but he's got to be on the list for any CFL team looking for player personnel directors) Rick Worman Mike Reilly Kerwin Bell I was under the impression that Worman was connected to the Ottawa franchise. Is he actually employed by them or just consulting or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 I was under the impression that Worman was connected to the Ottawa franchise. Is he actually employed by them or just consulting or something? He was let go by Marcel Desjardins when they hired him. He did all the grunt work for Ottawa & that's how they repaid him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rids Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 You mean former head coach Mike Riley? He's in deep at Oregon State. I think he'll be there for a long time yet. Yes that's the one. Can you tell I've been discussing QBs this morning? Mike was a bad start to last season from losing his job. His security hinges on wins-losses and he may be ready to step upstairs into a role with a little development room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 Yes that's the one. Can you tell I've been discussing QBs this morning? Mike was a bad start to last season from losing his job. His security hinges on wins-losses and he may be ready to step upstairs into a role with a little development room. Be great to have him back but he's been away for 20 years now so the league isn't the same as it was back in 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 Yes that's the one. Can you tell I've been discussing QBs this morning? Mike was a bad start to last season from losing his job. His security hinges on wins-losses and he may be ready to step upstairs into a role with a little development room. Yes that's the one. Can you tell I've been discussing QBs this morning? Mike was a bad start to last season from losing his job. His security hinges on wins-losses and he may be ready to step upstairs into a role with a little development room. If MIke Reilly is available why the **** aren't we hiring him right ******* now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotoriousBIG Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 If MIke Reilly is available why the **** aren't we hiring him right ******* now? Uh, guys, Mike Riley makes over a million dollars a year at Oregon -- and his kids get a free ride to boot. Its not like courting Kent Austin, who was pulling in okay dough at a school that could care two sheets about football. I'd imagine if Mike did get fired that it would take a VERY nice offer from the Bombers to get him to even answer the email. Start with Higgins. Maybe see if we can package Higgins with Murphy or Forde (obviously punt Walters). That would be an awesome tandem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 You don't understand, we gotta get this Mike Riley before Edmonton does. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Kerwin Bell? What has he done to justify a GM role?/ Isn't Mike Reiley basically in a coach for life situation at OSU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyOnTheSpot Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 I'll go with Higgins just to bring stability and sanity back. I like Murphy too but more of a risk. I saw my first practice today in a while and all we can do is hope they don't play like they practice. Burke looks more lost than ever. Despite all the promises I've never seen so little accomplished, not even in the Doug Berry country club years. Half the team was on the sidelines almost the whole time. Motivation looks non existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 If MIke Reilly is available why the **** aren't we hiring him right ******* now? He's not. Riley is still the HC of the Oregon Beavers. He makes about a million dollars a year there as the HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Kerwin Bell? What has he done to justify a GM role?/ Isn't Mike Reiley basically in a coach for life situation at OSU? I think he's a college coach in Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Blue Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 I'll go with Higgins just to bring stability and sanity back. I like Murphy too but more of a risk. I saw my first practice today in a while and all we can do is hope they don't play like they practice. Burke looks more lost than ever. Despite all the promises I've never seen so little accomplished, not even in the Doug Berry country club years. Half the team was on the sidelines almost the whole time. Motivation looks non existent. Ah the days of the golf cart... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan007 Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Yeah I want to withdraw my Mack choice. I'd go with Higgins over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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