Shanks Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Walters is a canadian talent guru.. If there is value to be had with those picks, he will find it.. Diamonds in the rough.. Is he? We simply don't have enough of a background on him to say whether he is or isn't. He was well hidden by the egomaniac Mack. I've read numerous comments about Walters wanting to pick someone but being overridden by Mack (Poblah, Ettienne). Walters had a place in the BB org and Mack made sure Walters knew where it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC Khari Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 When you look at the draft record of the Als compared to the Bombers from 2004 - 2013, and consider that for most of those years the Als finished ahead of us, it's deplorable to consider the state of this team's O-line over the last number of years. Whether trading away the first pick by Taman or Mack taking a flyer on a project with the first or second pick, the draft history (particularly the offensive line where games are generally won or lost) is an embarrassment and certainly helps explain to some degree why we are where we are. A top flight QB wouldn't have hurt either but we had a decent one and deemed him expendable ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 It is sad that the Als generally had a better record and drafted much better olinemen. Hopefully we get a good one in round 1 and then some quality with our other picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 I don't see that much difference between Lavertu and Goosen, so either way, we ought to be in good shape to draft a starter who is a center. This is no small hole to fill, and even if Morley is serviceable at center, he is still just a stop-gap. If I may suggest: Mack has taken up enough time and space here. He was a dreadful GM, so let him fade into obscurity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC Khari Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 When it comes to this team's draft record, Taman and Kelly also bear some responsibility, not just Mack. Horrible, horrible drafting (as far as o-line). Some guys like Henoc and even Watson were no brainers IMO ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodoochylde Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Montreal whiffed on a lot of their offensive line picks as well .. but with the volume dedicated to the position .. they unearthed guys who became stalwarts for them .. as I said in the original post .. not every draft pick pans out or will make it at the next level .. but continually bringing in guys .. year after year .. helps position you to find those guys who *will* be successful. .. they also continued to draft linemen when they didn't explicitly have a *need* for it .. future thinking .. sustainability .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 When it comes to this team's draft record, Taman and Kelly also bear some responsibility, not just Mack. Horrible, horrible drafting (as far as o-line). Some guys like Henoc and even Watson were no- brainers IMO ... I have never understood the thinking that went into naming a rookie head coach a GM as well. It seems to me that stepping up from being an assistant or junior coach to being a head coach is hard enough without adding the responsibilities of being a GM as well. I remember Jeff Reinbold being interviewed halfway through his first miserable season and he was almost begging for the GM role to be delegated to someone else. I'm not sure that would have saved his bacon, but it sure didn't help him at all. I felt sorry for him- he didn't set out to be a disaster but that's the way it turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Goosen was a center at SFU & a good one so I hope the Bombers draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 maybe we trade up to get a second rounder to nab both guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted February 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 maybe we trade up to get a second rounder to nab both guys? They'll both be taken in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 maybe we trade up to get a second rounder to nab both guys? They'll both be taken in the first round. ok, so then we trade up to get another first rounder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Walters is a canadian talent guru.. If there is value to be had with those picks, he will find it.. Diamonds in the rough.. Is he? We simply don't have enough of a background on him to say whether he is or isn't. He was well hidden by the egomaniac Mack. I've read numerous comments about Walters wanting to pick someone but being overridden by Mack (Poblah, Ettienne). Walters had a place in the BB org and Mack made sure Walters knew where it was. yes yes everyone talks about the Mulumba vs. Edem thing, but what about Muamba vs. MItchell? Bottom line is we don't know just how good Walters is because there's no track record. We don't know which picks the Bombers made were ones he wanted or ones that Mack wanted. Until such time as he shows one way or the other it is very premature to label Walters as a guru. For all we know he's a guy who talks a good game. Gotta prove it before you get labelled a guru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Gotta prove it before you get labelled a guru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Guru is a bit strong, I agree. Actually way too strong. Knowledgeable, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueandgold Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 When it comes to this team's draft record, Taman and Kelly also bear some responsibility, not just Mack. Horrible, horrible drafting (as far as o-line). Some guys like Henoc and even Watson were no brainers IMO ... I love how people discredit every good selection made by Mack. There were tons of people that wanted guys like Sisco and Scott Mitchell picked over Watson and Henoc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Then explain our horrible situation with our Canadian depth? Who was responsible for that, the equipment manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Then explain our horrible situation with our Canadian depth? Who was responsible for that, the equipment manager? years of neglect mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billfrank Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 I am no fan of Joe Mack, but he inherited a situation where we were already without a lot of picks. We ended up having no first and second in 2009, no first and third in 2010, and no second in 2011), largely due to previous GMs. His draft record is not stellar, but he had far less picks to work with than other GMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 I had a long dissertation on the Joe Mack draft record from 2010-13 & the lack of success he had over that time compared to other GMs in the CFL. You know what, I was going to post it but I'm sick & tired of the Joe Mack merry go round that I just said **** it & deleted it. blueandgoldguy, Floyd and voodoochylde 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred C Dobbs Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 yes yes everyone talks about the Mulumba vs. Edem thing Only Bomber fans. Hamilton fans moan about the Gaydosh vs. Edam thing. Hindsight is always ... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskbluefan Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 When it comes to this team's draft record, Taman and Kelly also bear some responsibility, not just Mack. Horrible, horrible drafting (as far as o-line). Some guys like Henoc and even Watson were no brainers IMO ... I love how people discredit every good selection made by Mack. There were tons of people that wanted guys like Sisco and Scott Mitchell picked over Watson and Henoc. The problem is those were the only two good selections. Either way, we are moving forward now and Kyle should be judged based on what happens from now out, not by what we think happened or want to believe happened during previous drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 When it comes to this team's draft record, Taman and Kelly also bear some responsibility, not just Mack. Horrible, horrible drafting (as far as o-line). Some guys like Henoc and even Watson were no brainers IMO ... I love how people discredit every good selection made by Mack. There were tons of people that wanted guys like Sisco and Scott Mitchell picked over Watson and Henoc. The problem is those were the only two good selections. well I don't believe that's correct but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milt Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 When it comes to this team's draft record, Taman and Kelly also bear some responsibility, not just Mack. Horrible, horrible drafting (as far as o-line). Some guys like Henoc and even Watson were no brainers IMO ... I love how people discredit every good selection made by Mack. There were tons of people that wanted guys like Sisco and Scott Mitchell picked over Watson and Henoc. The problem is those were the only two good selections. well I don't believe that's correct but whatever. I suspect if you looked at macks draft record it would be on par with other gms in the league. I feel Mack's biggest flaw was inhuman patience. He was acting as if he had 10 years to build a competitive team. Too many projects, too many guys who had to return to school, etc. The most damning fact of Mack's reign was Chris Kowalczuk staying here as long as he did. Here's a guy who's 29 years old who hasn't progressed beyond being the 7th(?) O lineman in his time here and yet he's still on the team. Eventually you have to cut these guys loose and get some new blood in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 I'm starting to like Walters more and more, he get's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 When it comes to this team's draft record, Taman and Kelly also bear some responsibility, not just Mack. Horrible, horrible drafting (as far as o-line). Some guys like Henoc and even Watson were no brainers IMO ... I love how people discredit every good selection made by Mack. There were tons of people that wanted guys like Sisco and Scott Mitchell picked over Watson and Henoc. The problem is those were the only two good selections. well I don't believe that's correct but whatever. I suspect if you looked at macks draft record it would be on par with other gms in the league. I feel Mack's biggest flaw was inhuman patience. He was acting as if he had 10 years to build a competitive team. Too many projects, too many guys who had to return to school, etc. The most damning fact of Mack's reign was Chris Kowalczuk staying here as long as he did. Here's a guy who's 29 years old who hasn't progressed beyond being the 7th(?) O lineman in his time here and yet he's still on the team. Eventually you have to cut these guys loose and get some new blood in there. I just don't think the NI or drafting was something that is a valid criticism. He liked his athletes that's for sure, the problem was they never developed which to me is a coaching problem and that was Macks biggest flaw. Didn't hire the coaches who could develop his projects for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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