Brandon Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Montoya hasn't been the primary backstop for a putrid team most of the year. A turnover prone D is hard on a goalie's psyche - so are forwards to glide back on the back check. Thankfully that seems to be changing If it were as obvious as you believe it to be - Montoya would be starting every game. I would think more so the fact that they are paying Pavs big money to start and that Montoya is due up for a new contract next season is the main reason he is not starting every game. If it were only about the talent and not about the money then in years past guys like Antropov would of been scratched every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Montoya is a great back-up goalie but he's never had to carry the load since he has been in the NHL. There's no way to know whether he could sustain his play as the regular starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Play him more. He doesn't have to start ahead of Pavlic. But if Pavlic plays 6 games, he plays 4. Blue-urns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 the +/ - stat is a very good indication Credibility = gone. +/- might just be the worst stat in all of sports. Blue-urns and Atomic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 +/- means about as much as wins for pitchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 the +/ - stat is a very good indication Credibility = gone. +/- might just be the worst stat in all of sports. Every stat has it's purpose, but +/- is certainly low on the list of stats I would use to judge the usefulness of a hockey player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 +/- requires a hell of a lot of extra context to even begin to be useful. So unless you've got all the other stats to make it useful +/- was a pathetic attempt at advanced stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 jets win again.... 9-2 under Maurice. Four points behind Vancouver. No way Noel ever could have got the Jets to even be close to the way they are playing now. Too bad they waited so long to can him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 +/- requires a hell of a lot of extra context to even begin to be useful. So unless you've got all the other stats to make it useful +/- was a pathetic attempt at advanced stats. Yes because when a defenseman has a -15 rating and his counterparts are hovering around 0 that really doesn't paint a picture ..... specially when the whole media, town and all the fans clearly rag on the guy for huge giveaways and lazy play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 jets win again.... 9-2 under Maurice. Four points behind Vancouver. No way Noel ever could have got the Jets to even be close to the way they are playing now. Too bad they waited so long to can him. Actually 2 points behind Vancouver - they lost to Boston tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 jets win again.... 9-2 under Maurice. Four points behind Vancouver. No way Noel ever could have got the Jets to even be close to the way they are playing now. Too bad they waited so long to can him. Actually 2 points behind Vancouver - they lost to Boston tonight. Haven't checked the standings. I thought it was four, but I'll take two! Woot!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Remember all the people who said Noel was getting the best out of the players and they were actually OVER achieving with him? LOL Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted February 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 +/- requires a hell of a lot of extra context to even begin to be useful. So unless you've got all the other stats to make it useful +/- was a pathetic attempt at advanced stats. Yes because when a defenseman has a -15 rating and his counterparts are hovering around 0 that really doesn't paint a picture ..... specially when the whole media, town and all the fans clearly rag on the guy for huge giveaways and lazy play. A defensive defenseman who's never out on the powerplay and plays a regular shift on the penalty kill - it's more acceptable for a guy like that to be minus -10 - than someone who's on ice in more offensive situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 You don't get a plus or a minus for being on the ice in a odd man situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 You don't get a plus or a minus for being on the ice in a odd man situation. Except if there is a short-handed goal scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted February 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 You don't get a plus or a minus for being on the ice in a odd man situation. Ok, I meant all other offensive situations - clearly I needed a bigger mug of coffee this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Maurice was quoted in an article today saying that Trouba is playing great (despite the two bad shifts last night) and made a point of mentioning his +15 rating in the last few weeks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I still say to temper expectations here. Bomber fans should know as well as anyone how misleading records after firing a coach can be. Historically Maurice has had the same problems as Noel had. What I am curious to see if if the Olympic break disrupts the momentum the Jets have right now. I believe there is an example in the Thrashers history where they fired a coach after a horrendous start and then the team rebounded to win something like 10 straight games before falling back to where they were previously. The absolute easiest time to coach a team is after a coach is fired midseason, it's what they do long term that matters. Momentum is big though and the Jets are riding it, the key is how they react when adversity hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ediger Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I still say to temper expectations here. Bomber fans should know as well as anyone how misleading records after firing a coach can be. Historically Maurice has had the same problems as Noel had. What I am curious to see if if the Olympic break disrupts the momentum the Jets have right now. I believe there is an example in the Thrashers history where they fired a coach after a horrendous start and then the team rebounded to win something like 10 straight games before falling back to where they were previously. The absolute easiest time to coach a team is after a coach is fired midseason, it's what they do long term that matters. Momentum is big though and the Jets are riding it, the key is how they react when adversity hits. Have to agree with this. However, there have been signs that this team has a different attitude under Maurice. You mentioned adversity and how they respond to it. If you look things at a game by game basis, they have been markedly better after giving up goals under Maurice than Noel. Little things like that give me hope. Plus, I like that it hasn't been 10-11 straight wins or something. They've had a couple of losses that they needed to rebound from already and they've do so succesfully. The olympic break will be huge. Will it kill momentum or be a much needed rest? It'll be nice to have Kane back 100% after the break (hopefully) and coming from the NCAA where they play a pretty short season, Jacob Trouba could probably use some time to rest and recharge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 They took a turn with moving Buff up to forward. Finally have three lines that can put the puck in the net. Also after the Olympic break they are most likely going to get Kane, Slater and Halischuck back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 I still say to temper expectations here. Bomber fans should know as well as anyone how misleading records after firing a coach can be. Historically Maurice has had the same problems as Noel had. What I am curious to see if if the Olympic break disrupts the momentum the Jets have right now. I believe there is an example in the Thrashers history where they fired a coach after a horrendous start and then the team rebounded to win something like 10 straight games before falling back to where they were previously. The absolute easiest time to coach a team is after a coach is fired midseason, it's what they do long term that matters. Momentum is big though and the Jets are riding it, the key is how they react when adversity hits. Have to agree with this. However, there have been signs that this team has a different attitude under Maurice. You mentioned adversity and how they respond to it. If you look things at a game by game basis, they have been markedly better after giving up goals under Maurice than Noel. Little things like that give me hope. Plus, I like that it hasn't been 10-11 straight wins or something. They've had a couple of losses that they needed to rebound from already and they've do so succesfully. The olympic break will be huge. Will it kill momentum or be a much needed rest? It'll be nice to have Kane back 100% after the break (hopefully) and coming from the NCAA where they play a pretty short season, Jacob Trouba could probably use some time to rest and recharge. I hope they are able to put in some practice time during the break so they can fully implement Maurice's system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 I still say to temper expectations here. Bomber fans should know as well as anyone how misleading records after firing a coach can be. Historically Maurice has had the same problems as Noel had. What I am curious to see if if the Olympic break disrupts the momentum the Jets have right now. I believe there is an example in the Thrashers history where they fired a coach after a horrendous start and then the team rebounded to win something like 10 straight games before falling back to where they were previously. The absolute easiest time to coach a team is after a coach is fired midseason, it's what they do long term that matters. Momentum is big though and the Jets are riding it, the key is how they react when adversity hits. Have to agree with this. However, there have been signs that this team has a different attitude under Maurice. You mentioned adversity and how they respond to it. If you look things at a game by game basis, they have been markedly better after giving up goals under Maurice than Noel. Little things like that give me hope. Plus, I like that it hasn't been 10-11 straight wins or something. They've had a couple of losses that they needed to rebound from already and they've do so succesfully. The olympic break will be huge. Will it kill momentum or be a much needed rest? It'll be nice to have Kane back 100% after the break (hopefully) and coming from the NCAA where they play a pretty short season, Jacob Trouba could probably use some time to rest and recharge. I hope they are able to put in some practice time during the break so they can fully implement Maurice's system. I think they'll do what NHLplayers not on the Canadian team did last Oly break... Take the family or girlfriend to Hawaii or Mexico for a week. Play golf in California & Florida. Come back, start skating & practicing again second week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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