25/26 CFL (Non Bombers) Off Season Thread

[SpeedFlex27]

23 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

There is more than one way to play QB & Tre can throw the ball pretty well actually. Way better than Streveler for example. What he can't do is read a defense.

Edmonton tried to make him a pocket passer which was dumb and worked out exactly the way you'd expect. He may never be able to run the quick decision, short game. To be effective he needs to run his style of offense. Ride & decide. 2 reads and run. Break contain. QB draw. Throw deep so every catch is a first down. 
 

Great, so a high school qb playing in the CFL. Just what we need. 

[GCn20]

11 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Great, so a high school qb playing in the CFL. Just what we need. 

I'm not even sure he realizes what he has described is pick up football.

[HardCoreBlue]

10 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I'm not even sure he realizes what he has described is pick up football.

Which I was outstanding at btw, stats unbelievable on both sides of the ball and then came the pads and the real football and all of sudden my playmaking ‘changed’ drastically.

[GCn20]

17 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Which I was outstanding at btw, stats unbelievable on both sides of the ball and then came the pads and the real football and all of sudden my playmaking ‘changed’ drastically.

Yea...I agree....having talent is only half the battle. Ford is a dynamic athlete who struggles to play with a playbook. He is a guy that could probably be converted to another position and excel but as a QB he just doesn't have it. Not at the pro level anyway, I sure hope we don't sign him as a QB. 

Edited 1 hour ago by GCn20

[TBURGESS]

12 hours ago, GCn20 said:

As for letting him play sandlot, won't ever happen in professional football...ever. You would be the worst offensive coordinator ever. Sandlot is very low % high turnover football.

It's not sandlot. It's not high school. It's not standing in the pocket going through your reads either.

Highly mobile QB's can be highly effective. They can use their legs while they learn how to read defences. Trying to turn them into drop-back passers is the reason a lot of them fail & turn the ball over.

Ford struggled with a drop-back passing playbook. Smart coaches change their offences to match the players' strengths. If you're not willing to do that, then don't pick a mobile QB in the first place.

[GCn20]

7 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

It's not sandlot. It's not high school. It's not standing in the pocket going through your reads either.

Highly mobile QB's can be highly effective. They can use their legs while they learn how to read defences. Trying to turn them into drop-back passers is the reason a lot of them fail & turn the ball over.

Ford struggled with a drop-back passing playbook. Smart coaches change their offences to match the players' strengths. If you're not willing to do that, then don't pick a mobile QB in the first place.

Smart coaches don't play sandlot. What you are describing is sandlot. It doesn't work in the pro game. You absolutely have to be able to pass out of the pocket or you are doomed as a QB. That is why Ford sucked so hard last year. Teams simply spied him and he was done because he could not make them pay for that. It is easy to shut down a running QB, even one as good as Ford, if they don't possess the ability to pass well out of the pocket. No offensive coordinator in the world can make that better. If you can't threaten from the pocket you are done as a QB. There is no ands, ifs. or buts. You start rolling out every play, teams will catch onto that and it is very easy to defend half a field. You start tucking and running every 2nd play they spy you and/or run blitz and you are done. You absolutely have to be competent out of the pocket. 

We saw the exact same thing happen with Streveler. They simply gave no option to run and dared him to beat them with his arm. He could not. Exactly what teams did to Ford as well.

Edited 1 hour ago by GCn20

[Bigblue204]

Yeah eventually Defenses will scheme to take your mobility out of the game. As a change of pace guy there will be some value forsure. But as a back-up your 1 play away from starting. Starters need to be able to play from the pocket.

[GCn20]

2 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

Yeah eventually Defenses will scheme to take your mobility out of the game. As a change of pace guy there will be some value forsure. But as a back-up your 1 play away from starting. Starters need to be able to play from the pocket.

All teams do is change the attack angle of the ends to contain, and have a LBer spy the QB and if he can't read the hole in the defence or can't make the throw it's game over. Sure the odd time a great athlete like Ford might break a tackle for first down or more but over the course of the game it will be 2 and out....a LOT of 2 and out.

Edited 1 hour ago by GCn20

[Stickem]

Third Down saying Ford should/could land in the Peg......Says we're his best bet/fit to further his playing career now and into the future??Well that cinches it we'll certainly give him a hard pass

[Stickem]

Broxton of the Leos.....Nield  and Moxey.....great signings so far

[Tracker]

14 hours ago, bearpants said:

3 or 4 days ago there were 3 top WRs about to hit the market... all three are now signed and we landed one of them... some people are going to complain we didn't get the best one... but I think the reality is the other two probably weren't realistically coming here... I am happy we went out and got a legit talent. 

Ford the QB is a natural replacement for Demski the slotback?... I might agree if Ford gave any indication he was willing/interesting in switching positions...

He would not be the first and it may be that or UIC.

[SpeedFlex27]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

I'm not even sure he realizes what he has described is pick up football.

I coached kids in Grade 10 & that's all they did. Couldn't read a defense. So, one read. It ain't open... run. We didn't win many games.