Collaros status

[blue85gold]

2 minutes ago, Booch said:

Yeah...but would he have gotten hurt here how he did there?...That's something that can't be determined and not like it was some chronic injury we knew he had and had issues with it here...And in 2023/2024 if he was handed the reigns after ZC got his noodle rocked in Edm....he did have significantly better talent and coaching all around him...so hard to say if he would have got beat up...he never really did when he did play...and his price tage would have allowed us to retain say a Lawler...or go after some legit FA talent.....coulda woulda shoulda I guess eh?

 

Ya no way to know. Would have loved to find out. 

The injuries to the receivers last year would have screwed any QB. 

2 minutes ago, Booch said:

Yeah...but would he have gotten hurt here how he did there?...That's something that can't be determined and not like it was some chronic injury we knew he had and had issues with it here...And in 2023/2024 if he was handed the reigns after ZC got his noodle rocked in Edm....he did have significantly better talent and coaching all around him...so hard to say if he would have got beat up...he never really did when he did play...and his price tage would have allowed us to retain say a Lawler...or go after some legit FA talent.....coulda woulda shoulda I guess eh?

 

Ya no way to know. Would have loved to find out. 

The injuries to the receivers last year would have screwed any QB. 

2 minutes ago, Booch said:

Yeah...but would he have gotten hurt here how he did there?...That's something that can't be determined and not like it was some chronic injury we knew he had and had issues with it here...And in 2023/2024 if he was handed the reigns after ZC got his noodle rocked in Edm....he did have significantly better talent and coaching all around him...so hard to say if he would have got beat up...he never really did when he did play...and his price tage would have allowed us to retain say a Lawler...or go after some legit FA talent.....coulda woulda shoulda I guess eh?

 

Ya no way to know. Would have loved to find out. 

The injuries to the receivers last year would have screwed any QB. 

2 minutes ago, Booch said:

Yeah...but would he have gotten hurt here how he did there?...That's something that can't be determined and not like it was some chronic injury we knew he had and had issues with it here...And in 2023/2024 if he was handed the reigns after ZC got his noodle rocked in Edm....he did have significantly better talent and coaching all around him...so hard to say if he would have got beat up...he never really did when he did play...and his price tage would have allowed us to retain say a Lawler...or go after some legit FA talent.....coulda woulda shoulda I guess eh?

 

Ya no way to know. Would have loved to find out. 

The injuries to the receivers last year would have screwed any QB. 

[Tracker]

1 hour ago, Booch said:

good teams...have the balls and the foresight....forward thinking/looking....we have failed badly at that....no succession plan for any vet that just doesnt have it anymore...or for a guy who chose to move on.....let alone any injury we incur

Can always say it's easy to say now...but a lot of the good coach/G.M's from the past made the moves to the dismay of fans and did quite well in doing so

Regular season success and stats are all fine and dandy if that is what you look at as a successful season, but when rubber meets road and you falling on your face when it matters due to some pretty obvious reasons, then things need to be switched up

Name a yr in the 5 where ZC carried us and we won because of him?....other than the WF last yr which was a combination of a horrid Sask defensive gae plan...and Lawler doing what you pay him the big bucks for....I can't think of any where he grabbed the team by the bootstraps and dragged us to victory

And now we don't have a Lawler to do that, or any real game breaker receivers to bail out ZC

Nor do we have any real difference maker/impact defensive guys who can take over a game with momentum shifting plays, so we in tough right now with this current configuration of the team and thats not even taking into accoubnt what has been a lot of piss poor coaching and preparation of late

Will another dud on Friday, and dropping 4 straight to go to under .500 cause any changes?...sure as hell hope so, and better be

They always say it's tough to win back to back against a team...and should be especially so when at home...well CGY ate our lunch...stole our car and took our chick home....if the Ago's do the same....**** better hit the fan inside the walls of PA stadium

If another loss on Friday, even an ugly loss, doesn't provide the impetus for coaching changes, then we are likely strapped in for the rest of the year with only a dim prospect of making the western  playoffs. 

[blue85gold]

4 minutes ago, Tracker said:

If another loss on Friday, even an ugly loss, doesn't provide the impetus for coaching changes, then we are likely strapped in for the rest of the year with only a dim prospect of making the western  playoffs. 

You have to think they would look to player changes before coaching changes. 

[Tracker]

7 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

You have to think they would look to player changes before coaching changes. 

I suggest that so long as O'Shea is in charge, the player changes will be token changes unless driven by necessity.

[17to85]

1 hour ago, blue85gold said:

Agree with that but with how healthy Brown has been since he left I don't know where we'd be now. 

With Brown more money freed up elsewhere, but our oline would have got him killed too.

My thoughts were keep brown and let he and streveler figure out who the man was. Trade collaros for assets (and let's be honest Ottawa was desperate and probably would have loved to get collaros at the time). You save money on qb position and can bolster other areas of the team. Would brown have been injured here? Who knows. Different team different circumstances.  

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

8 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

My thoughts were keep brown and let he and streveler figure out who the man was. Trade collaros for assets (and let's be honest Ottawa was desperate and probably would have loved to get collaros at the time). You save money on qb position and can bolster other areas of the team. Would brown have been injured here? Who knows. Different team different circumstances.  

We could have beefed up our O-line with the ZC savings and the likelihood of this happening goes down.

[Booch]

1 hour ago, blue85gold said:

Ya no way to know. Would have loved to find out. 

The injuries to the receivers last year would have screwed any QB. 

Ya no way to know. Would have loved to find out. 

The injuries to the receivers last year would have screwed any QB. 

Ya no way to know. Would have loved to find out. 

The injuries to the receivers last year would have screwed any QB. 

Ya no way to know. Would have loved to find out. 

The injuries to the receivers last year would have screwed any QB. 

lol....making your point eh? 😁but agreed

1 hour ago, blue85gold said:

You have to think they would look to player changes before coaching changes. 

yup....gotta do some player shuffling first...and then see if that has a difference....but also if the change occurs...but poor coaching occurs...unpreparedness...urgency still happens....or the coach refuses to make changes...then I guess the other option needs to be discussed...be interesting to see how things progress over next 4 or so games

[Booch]

19 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

My thoughts were keep brown and let he and streveler figure out who the man was. Trade collaros for assets (and let's be honest Ottawa was desperate and probably would have loved to get collaros at the time). You save money on qb position and can bolster other areas of the team. Would brown have been injured here? Who knows. Different team different circumstances.  

yeah....that would have been the ideal thing looking at it now....heck even moving him now somewhere for assets as he definitely shouldn't be looked at as the future next yr because really....it stunts us in getting in place 2027 and beyond QB....

Let Strev...Wilson...the rookie and maybe some guy we can land in a trade battle it out for the yr....cause if ZC has some issue going on that we not being told about...rolling with bhim is a fools game....and if he gets hurt late in yr ...and if we make the playoffs...big if.....I'd rather go into it with Strev having played the whole yr as the starter, than plopped in.....with minimal use...next to no reps with a scheme built for him....He to me is the kind of guy that if he gets you there...could catch lightening in a bottle and utterly will the team to a win.

15 minutes ago, Wanna-B-Fanboy said:

We could have beefed up our O-line with the ZC savings and the likelihood of this happening goes down.

and or kept Lawler

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

3 hours ago, Booch said:

and or kept Lawler

[Goalie]

5 hours ago, Tracker said:

I suggest that so long as O'Shea is in charge, the player changes will be token changes unless driven by necessity.

It honestly doesn’t matter what you suggest. Guaranteed there are zero coaching changes unless it’s the OC cuz we got another guy in house. O’Shea going nowhere this season. Just accept it and move on cuz I’ll guarantee it doesn’t happen. 
 

well Mike you took us to 5 straight cups but hey 4 losses in a row = you’re fired. Nope. Firing O’Shea would do more damage to the casuals than the 40 hardcore fans on here realize. You really don’t speak for the majority at all.  The majority of fans love oshea. You will see player changes before coaching here  

What’s keeping lawler matter if the QB can’t throw the ball. Honestly.  Lawler makes no difference cuz Zach can’t throw a ball consistently like Bo can. 

Edited 23 hours ago by Goalie

[17to85]

This isn't a democracy... majority of fan opinions don't change the teams performance. Know what else hurts fan engagement? Looking like complete ass on field and losing games. 

[Goalie]

42 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

This isn't a democracy... majority of fan opinions don't change the teams performance. Know what else hurts fan engagement? Looking like complete ass on field and losing games. 

Changing players will happen before changing coaches. I don’t understand why that’s a difficult concept to some of you. 

Edited 22 hours ago by Goalie

[Booch]

how bout "hey mike u lost 3 straight cups in preventable fashion...have had 2 yrs in pretty obvious decline, and no real answer let alone urgency, and the same stuff continues on this yr.....and you seem to more than not have team unprepared and uninspired, and almost seems like the player's YOU have chosen, are either not responding to you any more....or just not good enough....so we letting ya go"...

There's a scenario too...and not something that's out in outter space.....it's whats happened/happening

I never agree on a mid season firing unless it's something so pathetic you have to, and then it's just interim and usually not a fix....after yr is up tho....he should have zero rope or good will from management left....he's used it up....especially if he goes on record again with his b.s nonsense he wouldnt change anything like last yr...and believed he did all the right things

[Tracker]

16 minutes ago, Booch said:

how bout "hey mike u lost 3 straight cups in preventable fashion...have had 2 yrs in pretty obvious decline, and no real answer let alone urgency, and the same stuff continues on this yr.....and you seem to more than not have team unprepared and uninspired, and almost seems like the player's YOU have chosen, are either not responding to you any more....or just not good enough....so we letting ya go"...

There's a scenario too...and not something that's out in outer space.....it's what's happened/happening

I never agree on a mid season firing unless it's something so pathetic you have to, and then it's just interim and usually not a fix....after yr is up tho....he should have zero rope or good will from management left....he's used it up....especially if he goes on record again with his b.s nonsense he wouldn't change anything like last yr...and believed he did all the right things

Walters impressed me as being intelligent and made the transition from coordinator to GM seamlessly and well, so he is not blind or stupid. He must have had a heart-to-heart with O'Shea prior to the start of the season and laid out clear expectations about should and should not happen again. Thus, O'Shea has to know that the same old, same old would not be good enough. Sooooo....if O'Shea either has tacit or overt blessing for business as usual, OR this is a middle-finger salute to Walters.

[17to85]

2 hours ago, Goalie said:

Changing players will happen before changing coaches. I don’t understand why that’s a difficult concept to some of you. 

Changing players sooner would have avoided some of these results. That's all we're saying. Look I know osh ain't getting fired this year, but we can talk about blame here all we want.

[Booch]

18 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Changing players sooner would have avoided some of these results. That's all we're saying. Look I know osh ain't getting fired this year, but we can talk about blame here all we want.

Yup..a lot of our current mess...self inflicted and avoidable

[bigg jay]

25 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Changing players sooner would have avoided some of these results. That's all we're saying. Look I know osh ain't getting fired this year, but we can talk about blame here all we want.

Yup, this is the type of thing we've been waiting for.  Not performing to an acceptable level?  Have a seat over on the bench. 

Even if the end result doesn't change, it at least shows they are actively trying to get better rather than repeat the same thing over and over.

[17to85]

Just ridiculous that Bridges got 6 games before being yanked. Everyone saw that being a bad move in preseason.

[BigBlueFanatic]

16 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Just ridiculous that Bridges got 6 games before being yanked. Everyone saw that being a bad move in preseason.

Bridges didn’t impress in the time he had last year either.  Bombers cut more promising talent than him both years.  For a team that’s unearthed or recognized what they had or could get like Dee Alford, Mike Jones, Winston Rose, D.Nichols, Marcus Sayles etc… they also gave some real duds way too much rope… see Roc Carmicheal and Bridges…. I mean Tyquan Glass didn’t last as long as Bridges and did about the same.

[wbbfan]

55 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Just ridiculous that Bridges got 6 games before being yanked. Everyone saw that being a bad move in preseason.

We do this most every year at db with one guy. 

[SpeedFlex27]

17 hours ago, blue85gold said:

Ya no way to know. Would have loved to find out. 

The injuries to the receivers last year would have screwed any QB. 

Ya no way to know. Would have loved to find out. 

The injuries to the receivers last year would have screwed any QB. 

Ya no way to know. Would have loved to find out. 

The injuries to the receivers last year would have screwed any QB. 

Ya no way to know. Would have loved to find out. 

The injuries to the receivers last year would have screwed any QB.