Bombers at Stamps early chat

[Colin Unger]

Jefferson is basically useless at this point outside of the of the knockdowns. I expect the gap between career knockdowns and sacks to keep growing until he retires. 

 

Hes gonna to retire as the only player with 100 knockdowns and 75 sacks.

Edited yesterday at 02:28 PM by Colin Unger

[Goalie]

Yup. D line has a whole are pretty useless, should be airlifting defensive tackles in cuz Jake ain’t it. Korny ain’t it although he’s not terrible when given the odd chance, Adams is 1 man. Willie does nothing. Vaughters hasn’t done much. Lawson seems to be a tad over rated but our best Canadian d line. 
 

they need to sit Willie a game and cut Vaughters. Tell Jake it’s time. It’s Vader time. Err retirement time. Adams and Lawson are the only 2 worth keeping at this point.  If woods isn’t really hurt, him, Adams Lawson person Bailey is a start. Bring in a couple guys. Linebackers. Try Ayers at Wilson spot. Jon Jones in the middle. Kramdi for ratio (it’s a thing) purpose. Holm Nichols Bonds and I’d look at bridges spot also. And I like Parker but maybe Allen is the better safety option. 

Edited yesterday at 02:53 PM by Goalie

[Bigblue204]

It was a rough game. But acting like A) this doesn't happen every season and b) they need to blow up the entire roster, is a bit much. 

People need to take a step back from the ledge. It was 1 game in week 5. If this becomes a pattern and the same thing is going on in week 12 then sure, but don't make me quote A rodgers. R-E-L-A-X

[Goalie]

Our DL is pretty old and appeared gassed after 4 games. I dunno if it’s not to early at all. If a QB has all day to throw, it’s a problem. 

[Brandon]

I wouldn't cut Vaughters and have not given up on Willie.    

The Jake Thomas thing I'm still 100% amazed that he sees the field?  When his lone highlight of the season is him being bullied and accidentally falling/rolling into VAJ which resulted in possibly hurting him is depressing.     I don't think outright cutting Thomas will completely 180 how they would of played last night... but it is one of the few decisions that is so easy to make with zero risk and all reward.   

On O the Zach attack is still yuck... I would of liked to have seen Strev in much earlier in the game. Still not excited about that extension.  

A few people hating on Sterns... he caught nearly everything tossed his way. He's not an issue.   Schoen getting hurt and not being the best receiver on the team is a bigger concern.  The dice roll on him over Lawler was risky and seems to have been a mistake.  

[17to85]

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

It was a rough game. But acting like A) this doesn't happen every season and b) they need to blow up the entire roster, is a bit much. 

People need to take a step back from the ledge. It was 1 game in week 5. If this becomes a pattern and the same thing is going on in week 12 then sure, but don't make me quote A rodgers. R-E-L-A-X

But it's not just one game, it's a pattern of things that has been emerging for a couple seasons now. Leaning hard on old guys who can't go like it's still 2021. This type of game will happen more and more often unless they make some hard decisions. 

[Bigblue204]

51 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

But it's not just one game, it's a pattern of things that has been emerging for a couple seasons now. Leaning hard on old guys who can't go like it's still 2021. This type of game will happen more and more often unless they make some hard decisions. 

Tell me what the pattern is after coming off a humiliating loss and a bye week?

[17to85]

3 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

Tell me what the pattern is after coming off a humiliating loss and a bye week?

Yeah i have no doubts they will win convincingly next game... but what does that mean when you don't have a bye between every game?

[Booch]

Been nothing wrong with Kyrie Wilson's game...the issue there is dependability...when healthy he one of the top WIL's in the league and he still has great lateral range and tackling ability...and plays in control

T.Jones at times has zero control and just blows himself right out of the play....doesn't have the lateral range....and can't play in space worth ****

Wood's is actually hurt so it's not a conspiracy and he would help, but at who's expense?...nobody's if we just stick with Wallace or Eli at guard...Vpool being in isnt some big net gain for us by any stretch

We really need to get Person and Bailey on the roster for if for anything to see what they bring to the dline....it will be more than what Korn/Thomas bring...and both those guys can play on cover teams for kicks...that alone is a net positive and would give WJ nad Vaughters much need rest so they can actually play unleashed every snap, and we don't waste Adams on the edge....

With WJ, Vaughters...Person, Bailey, Adams, Woods and Lawson, and the use of 6 Canadian on offence (3 oline, BO, 2 Receivers) you only need 1 Canadian on the field at any given time...so take your pick of Lawson and or Kramdi....and you can sub either one out at anytime for a Griffin....DL guy...Ayers (tho pretty sure he now hurt)

No need for both of  Thomas and Korn/Schmeck....either really...When Kelly back dress him and Cobb...Or Kelly and Makonzo if he ever gets out of the tub...

Tell me JY would prefer Thomas/Korn/Lawson/Adams/WJ/VAUGHT/Ayers over WJ/VAUGHT/Person/Bailey/Adams/Woods/Lawson

[Bigblue204]

36 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Yeah i have no doubts they will win convincingly next game... but what does that mean when you don't have a bye between every game?

nothing. Again....this type of game happens every year. They respond every year and move on. I don't like it. But it's been a pretty consistent aspect of this club for years now. Maybe it gets worse and they go on a skid. But if we're talking about patterns based off of the history of this club. They're on track to have another double digit win season and get into the playoffs. 

[17to85]

10 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

nothing. Again....this type of game happens every year. They respond every year and move on. I don't like it. But it's been a pretty consistent aspect of this club for years now. Maybe it gets worse and they go on a skid. But if we're talking about patterns based off of the history of this club. They're on track to have another double digit win season and get into the playoffs. 

But cracks don't just disappear.  The age of this team is a concern and that first half was maybe the worst half of football I can remember and we've all seen some **** from bomber teams.

[Bigblue204]

4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

But cracks don't just disappear.  The age of this team is a concern and that first half was maybe the worst half of football I can remember and we've all seen some **** from bomber teams.

MTL game last year was awful. What was it week 2 with BC in town in 2023? VA even pumped the Bombers last year. They do just appear and then go. Again...that's the pattern over a few seasons now. Early blow out losses, they have 1 in each of the last 3 seasons included last night. Again I don't like it....but I don't understand the panic and acting like this is some odd situation that is something we haven't seen from this regime. 

There's a pattern here...and it's for whatever reason, this regime and team play like dog **** before they get a week off. But usually come back stronger. Time will tell.

[HardCoreBlue]

4 hours ago, Colin Unger said:

Jefferson is basically useless at this point outside of the of the knockdowns. I expect the gap between career knockdowns and sacks to keep growing until he retires. 

 

Hes gonna to retire as the only player with 100 knockdowns and 75 sacks.

My untrained eye would put WJ as our number one freelancer that can be frustrating at times to watch when it comes to DE’s responsibilities. And yes he does get mugged a fair amount but that seems to be the advantage refs are giving the offence these days, holding penalties seem to be called less frequently. 

[Tracker]

14 hours ago, 17to85 said:

yeah all those linebackers are a luxury this team can't afford anymore. Time to make some hard decisions and give your aging DL some actual help. 

It seems obvious to me that O'Shea is obsessed with filling the roster with linebackers because he is trying to relive his glory days. It's called displacement.

[Booch]

13 minutes ago, Tracker said:

It seems obvious to me that O'Shea is obsessed with filling the roster with linebackers because he is trying to relive his glory days. It's called displacement.

or....you cant go home

[JuranBoldenRules]

Vaughters works and there's definitely a role for the style of player he is on any team.

Jefferson would not have survived into his 30's in basically any era right up until the one we are in now where everyone is a player's coach.  The complete lack of effort about 90% of the time is inexcusable.  Can be any time in the game and he's jogging at a QB looking like an old man trying to not get hit by a car while jaywalking as the QB goes right around him to the sideline and open space.  

He's the most egregious example of a guy who at best is a role player, and has been most of his career, who is basically given no leash and no accountability on this team.  Doesn't really matter if he's a great guy.  Is that the level of effort you want to see from a teammate?

If he can watch himself play as he has the past couple seasons and not be absolutely embarrassed he must have zero self-awareness.

[HardCoreBlue]

1 minute ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Vaughters works and there's definitely a role for the style of player he is on any team.

Jefferson would not have survived into his 30's in basically any era right up until the one we are in now where everyone is a player's coach.  The complete lack of effort about 90% of the time is inexcusable.  Can be any time in the game and he's jogging at a QB looking like an old man trying to not get hit by a car while jaywalking as the QB goes right around him to the sideline and open space.  

He's the most egregious example of a guy who at best is a role player, and has been most of his career, who is basically given no leash and no accountability on this team.  Doesn't really matter if he's a great guy.  Is that the level of effort you want to see from a teammate?

If he can watch himself play as he has the past couple seasons and not be absolutely embarrassed he must have zero self-awareness.

I was much more diplomatic than you in me calling him our number one freelancer but hammer meet head on your post here.