Bombers at Stamps early chat

[wbbfan]

2 minutes ago, Booch said:

easy enough to do....do we really need Vpool?....not really...we were fine without him and how do you develop Wallace by not starting him?

Person could have took that spot....and no weitz ...so is he off for BO?...Could of put Bailey there as another option and dumped off Thomas who hasnt practiced all week yet still gets on?....like we would have missed his insignificant reps....or Korn if that suits the Osh Bias heirachy better....both those guys dropped off roster wouldnt affect us....

Typical and expected tho....we win and Osh will be status quo even tho you can be making roster better.....will bite us in ass again tho when it really matters.....you can count on that

For me, I'd put on Woods for Vanterpool, sit Jake, put on Bailey for the rotation on the edge with Sergio punting, I'd flip Sterns for Mitchell, Jones for Kyrie. Cut Chase and Scmekel and go find another imp wr for the pr.  

[Blue28]

2 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

For me, I'd put on Woods for Vanterpool, sit Jake, put on Bailey for the rotation on the edge with Sergio punting, I'd flip Sterns for Mitchell, Jones for Kyrie. Cut Chase and Scmekel and go find another imp wr for the pr.  

Woods is on the 6 game - but I do not disagree.

It seems like we are focusing on running the 3-4 against mobile QBs, but it would be nice to have another REALISTIC option activated on the DL.

 

[Booch]

roter spots shouldnt be looked at as just filler/st only guys at the lower end...thats why our roster t times is so depleted and lacking of any actual guys good enough to take defensive/offensive reps

8 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Hagerty was an option at S, too. Honestly, if you can play Sam in the CFL, you can play a bunch of DB. 

Novak, Shay and Smith do eat up a lot of roster spots, but they offer decent versatility at least. As much as I like what hallett has done here as a teams guy, I'd a taken Hagerty over Hallett. 

Hallett is just a refugee of the Osh factor....on the roster for past presence here....he has hit a ceiling and is never..ever gonna be a guy you want on the field save for teams...we should have moved on last yr already

Adding Cobb...a guy with actual CFL experience at receiver and returner is nice depth as we have no depth behind either would have been a smarter move...there are several guys he could have took the spot of...but no...and again...we gonna wear WJ and Vaughter's right out to uselessness.....and if they actually had a legit guy to rotate in with them...I bet you see their play pick up....but no we will task a linebacker to that job...who has no experience let alone reason to be doing it...and gets what...maybe 1 rep doing it in a game?...

7 oline guys too again...overkill and not required....but lets do it anyway

Winning glosses over issues...even if they seem small and irrelevant now.....but we seen this play out 3 yrs in a row....expect a 4th

11 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

And Vaval.

They chose to keep Ball which you think the peanut gallery here would love since he played NCAA.  Not sure we need to navel gaze over the 58th roster spot not going to a 6th round pick from 2021 who just got released for the third time. 

Ball I not even sure why he was kept....him not being on the roster is one of Osh's smarter moves

[wbbfan]

2 minutes ago, Blue28 said:

Woods is on the 6 game - but I do not disagree.

It seems like we are focusing on running the 3-4 against mobile QBs, but it would be nice to have another REALISTIC option activated on the DL.

 

I believe woods is a fake injury, but I can’t be sure. If he’s for real hurt, pointer shouldn’t have been out right released. Maybe he didn’t want to sit on the pr, but I don’t by default expect that. 
 
honestly, for as much as we’ve blitzed, carrying two ends in Bailey and person would be fine to have one rush with a hand up from different spots. 
 

A team with guys like Lawson and adams who can play 0, 3i and 4i with a good pass rush, we shouldn’t struggled to have pressure with our front in either alignment. 

[Booch]

7 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

For me, I'd put on Woods for Vanterpool, sit Jake, put on Bailey for the rotation on the edge with Sergio punting, I'd flip Sterns for Mitchell, Jones for Kyrie. Cut Chase and Scmekel and go find another imp wr for the pr.  

 

3 minutes ago, Blue28 said:

Woods is on the 6 game - but I do not disagree.

It seems like we are focusing on running the 3-4 against mobile QBs, but it would be nice to have another REALISTIC option activated on the DL.

 

yeah...that makes sense to me as well....once woods is ready

I'd drop Jones for Jones tho as J.Jones can play both wil and mack...and well...T.Jones cant....well shouldnt play wil

We are again wasting PR spots on guys who have no future here...again....should be constantly bringin in and evaluating guys...and we dont...who we break camp with...is who we run with....and thats not good enough

[Blue28]

1 minute ago, Booch said:

 

yeah...that makes sense to me as well....once woods is ready

I'd drop Jones for Jones tho as J.Jones can play both wil and mack...and well...T.Jones cant....well shouldnt play wil

We are again wasting PR spots on guys who have no future here...again....should be constantly bringin in and evaluating guys...and we dont...who we break camp with...is who we run with....and thats not good enough

Booch - if you were to drop 2-3 current PR spots - which ones would they be?

[Blue In BC]

5 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

I believe woods is a fake injury, but I can’t be sure. If he’s for real hurt, pointer shouldn’t have been out right released. Maybe he didn’t want to sit on the pr, but I don’t by default expect that. 
 
honestly, for as much as we’ve blitzed, carrying two ends in Bailey and person would be fine to have one rush with a hand up from different spots. 
 

A team with guys like Lawson and adams who can play 0, 3i and 4i with a good pass rush, we shouldn’t struggled to have pressure with our front in either alignment. 

The fake injury players go to 1 game IR. No point putting him on the 6 game IR unless he is actually can't play or practice.

[Booch]

2 minutes ago, Blue28 said:

Booch - if you were to drop 2-3 current PR spots - which ones would they be?

Case...Weitz.....Ball off top my head.....

Case aint gonna unseat any one...couldnt last yr....and there are way better options/bodytypes kicking around out there who could be brought in

Weitz....well we only seem to wanna roster one global anyway....he isnt gonna ever be anything other than what he is....nothing...so we could try and find a different option there

Ball...redundant....we have a glut of Canadian LB/DB/hybrid types....and he doesnt appear to be anyting but a ST plug anyway....can find those every yr in the draft....use his spot for a legit dline talent...

[Blue28]

and then what positions would you replace them with? DT/DE/REC? or just rotate people until you can find players that could replace others?

[wbbfan]

3 minutes ago, Blue In BC said:

The fake injury players go to 1 game IR. No point putting him on the 6 game IR unless he is actually can't play or practice.

There is a point, especially if you don't think he will play in the first 6 games short of an injury. You can always remove him from the 6. 

 

2 minutes ago, Booch said:

Case...Weitz.....Ball off top my head.....

Case aint gonna unseat any one...couldnt last yr....and there are way better options/bodytypes kicking around out there who could be brought in

Weitz....well we only seem to wanna roster one global anyway....he isnt gonna ever be anything other than what he is....nothing...so we could try and find a different option there

Ball...redundant....we have a glut of Canadian LB/DB/hybrid types....and he doesnt appear to be anyting but a ST plug anyway....can find those every yr in the draft....use his spot for a legit dline talent...

I think we probably need 1 global on the pr, but I'd go digging through the cuts. Weitz doesn't bring anything. 

 

I think we need an air lift of WRs. We should be cycling them through to find guys who can step up. Because we have a bunch of guys who are nicked/playing sub 100% already, histories of injuries, and a lot of low-production guys. After that, we need more pass rushers. We have a few, but we are well beyond the best-before date on both WJ and Vaughters. 

[Blue28]

What do you guys think of Bridges so far? I seem him jumping on some plays - time and experience to improve? 

[Colin Unger]

Pleased that we are going back to Vanterpool at guard. Didn't think he (O'Shea) had it in him. 

Just now, Blue28 said:

What do you guys think of Bridges so far? I seem him jumping on some plays - time and experience to improve? 

Seems to be more confident this season than last. He's got the easy assignment and picking up where Ford left off in terms of interceptions. Tyrell Ford's stat line for the seasons consists of 11 tackles and no interceptions. 

[Booch]

27 minutes ago, Blue28 said:

and then what positions would you replace them with? DT/DE/REC? or just rotate people until you can find players that could replace others?

i'd be bringing in true Nose's and multi use DT's for sure...a WR that has return experience and another rush end type....pure pass rush specialst

[Bigblue204]

32 minutes ago, Colin Unger said:

Pleased that we are going back to Vanterpool at guard. Didn't think he (O'Shea) had it in him. 

Seems to be more confident this season than last. He's got the easy assignment and picking up where Ford left off in terms of interceptions. Tyrell Ford's stat line for the seasons consists of 11 tackles and no interceptions. 

230K well spent

[Booch]

37 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

There is a point, especially if you don't think he will play in the first 6 games short of an injury. You can always remove him from the 6. 

 

I think we probably need 1 global on the pr, but I'd go digging through the cuts. Weitz doesn't bring anything. 

 

I think we need an air lift of WRs. We should be cycling them through to find guys who can step up. Because we have a bunch of guys who are nicked/playing sub 100% already, histories of injuries, and a lot of low-production guys. After that, we need more pass rushers. We have a few, but we are well beyond the best-before date on both WJ and Vaughters. 

yup....you should see a constant influx of guys untill you get that one who actually can push for a spot...we are ultra thin at WR...Case is there...but pffft....he's not good enough...are we waiting/banking that Wilson comes back....and we seen what sterns offers in 3 games...time to see what Mitchell brings and then keep the best of the 2....PR the other and dump Case

i believe we can have a max of 3 globals on the PR that dont count toward the 10 man Can/American component...we have Bailey already....so Weitz really can be replaced...or not by any global and we should be scouring for them...I'd be looking for a kicker who can do all 3 jobs too if they wanna carry more than 1

34 minutes ago, Blue28 said:

What do you guys think of Bridges so far? I seem him jumping on some plays - time and experience to improve? 

He's been solid and not hurting us in any way....and should get better....I'd still like to see Allen get a shot too as he seems like a real play maker....that being said Bridges is more than adequate but you never know what you got until you give a guy a chance in a real game too...I'm sure we will get an injury where he may getbhis chance and never come off roster 

1 minute ago, Bigblue204 said:

230K well spent

so glad we didnt pay up for that....185k would have been too much for the positin he played

Edited Wednesday at 03:47 PM by Booch

[Bigblue204]

5 minutes ago, Booch said:

so glad we didnt pay up for that....185k would have been too much for the positin he played

It blows my mind that any GM thought that would be a good way to spend money.

[Blue28]

5 minutes ago, Booch said:

yup....you should see a constant influx of guys untill you get that one who actually can push for a spot...we are ultra thin at WR...Case is there...but pffft....he's not good enough...are we waiting/banking that Wilson comes back....and we seen what sterns offers in 3 games...time to see what Mitchell brings and then keep the best of the 2....PR the other and dump Case

i believe we can have a max of 3 globals on the PR that dont count toward the 10 man Can/American component...we have Bailey already....so Weitz really can be replaced...or not by any global and we should be scouring for them...I'd be looking for a kicker who can do all 3 jobs too if they wanna carry more than 1

He's been solid and not hurting us in any way....and should get better....I'd still like to see Allen get a shot too as he seems like a real play maker....that being said Bridges is more than adequate but you never know what you got until you give a guy a chance in a real game too...I'm sure we will get an injury where he may getbhis chance and never come off roster 

so glad we didnt pay up for that....185k would have been too much for the positin he played

Thanks Booch. 

Agree with a rotation of guys.

I did not know about the PR limitations due to Global designation

I want to see Allen in as well at some point 

I really liked having Ford on our CB position - but you are correct - and in the cap crunch we are in - cannot afford the 185+ that he would have brought in.

[Booch]

3 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

It blows my mind that any GM thought that would be a good way to spend money.

crazy amount for a corner...well amy DB for that matter but especially a corner

The Elks games I have watched haven't even noticed him popping off the screen either for most part....makes you wonder if he was the benafactor of playing in a solid group and scheme...he's a good db dont get me wrong...but not one the highest paid defenders in the league good tho

[Bigblue204]

6 minutes ago, Booch said:

crazy amount for a corner...well amy DB for that matter but especially a corner

The Elks games I have watched haven't even noticed him popping off the screen either for most part....makes you wonder if he was the benafactor of playing in a solid group and scheme...he's a good db dont get me wrong...but not one the highest paid defenders in the league good tho

100% he was.

[wbbfan]

54 minutes ago, Blue28 said:

What do you guys think of Bridges so far? I seem him jumping on some plays - time and experience to improve? 

Slightly better version of Houston imo. Doesn't cheat as much, but isn't great. He played half a year last year, I don't think we will see much upward movement from him, hes 28 to. 

 

24 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

230K well spent

Dodged a major bullet. 

 

16 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

It blows my mind that any GM thought that would be a good way to spend money.

Yuupp. I get hes an electric athlete. But he isn't that guy and db isn't that position. 

4 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

100% he was.

The scheme was a big part of it. And the fact that teams kept throwing that way 1 because we had softer coverage guys, but also Nichols and Bond to the other side. I think he'd be doing similar to last year if he were here. But Edmonton D isn't like ours. 

[rebusrankin]

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

230K well spent

To paraphrase Doug Brown, he's with his brother. They get to talk about each loss together and bond.

[Booch]

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

To paraphrase Doug Brown, he's with his brother. They get to talk about each loss together and bond.

Somewhat like Dobson and Lawler are probably doing....and wondering why they playing in a glorified highschool stadium as opposed to the best one in the country

[TommyClements]

4 hours ago, Booch said:

easy enough to do....do we really need Vpool?....not really...we were fine without him and how do you develop Wallace by not starting him?

Person could have took that spot....and no weitz ...so is he off for BO?...Could of put Bailey there as another option and dumped off Thomas who hasnt practiced all week yet still gets on?....like we would have missed his insignificant reps....or Korn if that suits the Osh Bias heirachy better....both those guys dropped off roster wouldnt affect us....

Typical and expected tho....we win and Osh will be status quo even tho you can be making roster better.....will bite us in ass again tho when it really matters.....you can count on that

Wallace played fine but the Bombers run game was weak in both those games he started. The OL absolutely dominated with Vanterpol starting.

Maybe that’s why he’s back in. 🤔

[Colin Unger]

The main reason we’ve lost 3 Grey Cups in a row in my opinion has been the offensive line struggling to protect Zach combined with Zach not being as athletic as he once was. If Vanderpool provides a significant upgrade to the offensive line then I think it’s worth shaping the rest of the lineup around that. 

[Booch]

1 hour ago, TommyClements said:

Wallace played fine but the Bombers run game was weak in both those games he started. The OL absolutely dominated with Vanterpol starting.

Maybe that’s why he’s back in. 🤔

I'd rather they see how it goes with BO in first...defence tho being quite well so far...up front is gonna get beat up and worn out..and as we run them into the ground nobody else is getting valuable reps and development when they could be...and then late in yr we could be in same situ as other yrs..depleted depth...guys hurt...and worn out and we play them anyway cause we didnt develop or build trust in any guys behind them....again...