2025 CFL (Non-Bombers) Season

[SpeedFlex27]

4 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Difference is this year, half the QBs aren’t 38. 
 

Kyle does need to wake up and imo needs to take action to justify an extension. It’s much easier to replace a gm in the cfl than a hc, especially with the guys we have. And while a lot deserves to be on mos plate, Walters as his boss is responsible for his failings too. I don’t think Walter’s will replace mos so I think the hot seat will pass to him. 

Walters used to be one of the sharpest GM's in the CFL a few years ago. He was aggressive & took chances. He wasn't afraid to spend money & he had a lot of success. Lately, the past few years it's not even been close. We just can't have this kind of complacency by Walters or MOS. As far as Osh goes, some of his comments & decisions are like he lives in the 4th dimension. Things need to change. 

Edited 21 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[SpeedFlex27]

6 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Difference is this year, half the QBs aren’t 38. 
 

Kyle does need to wake up and imo needs to take action to justify an extension. It’s much easier to replace a gm in the cfl than a hc, especially with the guys we have. And while a lot deserves to be on mos plate, Walters as his boss is responsible for his failings too. I don’t think Walter’s will replace mos so I think the hot seat will pass to him. 

A few years back I kept hearing a rumour Walters may want to go back to U Sports as an AD at a university in Southern Ontario to be closer to his family. That might be where he ultimately ends up. 

[Booch]

8 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

A few years back I kept hearing a rumour Walters may want to go back to U Sports as an AD at a university in Southern Ontario to be closer to his family. That might be where he ultimately ends up. 

maybe he takes osh??...lol

[ShyGuy]

16 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Difference is this year, half the QBs aren’t 38. 
 

Kyle does need to wake up and imo needs to take action to justify an extension. It’s much easier to replace a gm in the cfl than a hc, especially with the guys we have. And while a lot deserves to be on mos plate, Walters as his boss is responsible for his failings too. I don’t think Walter’s will replace mos so I think the hot seat will pass to him. 

This kind of stuff is hard to look up. Obviously if the timing was right and Walters was out Ted Goveia would have been next man up... Has there been much overall success with hiring a GM outside of the organization and keeping the HC on? It seems like for the most part the incoming GM would want their guy in there. Looking at current staffs it looks like the only team with a coach not hired by the GM is Hamilton? And Milanovic is just in his second year there. 

I guess the statement here is that yeah it's probably easier to replace the GM, but historically I think that ends up with a HC replacement pretty soon thereafter.

[wbbfan]

45 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

This kind of stuff is hard to look up. Obviously if the timing was right and Walters was out Ted Goveia would have been next man up... Has there been much overall success with hiring a GM outside of the organization and keeping the HC on? It seems like for the most part the incoming GM would want their guy in there. Looking at current staffs it looks like the only team with a coach not hired by the GM is Hamilton? And Milanovic is just in his second year there. 

I guess the statement here is that yeah it's probably easier to replace the GM, but historically I think that ends up with a HC replacement pretty soon thereafter.

IMO a lot of the hc and gm changes are full on rebuilds after collapse. Hamilton is the predominant current case to look at. Dickenson moved up and of course kept him self as hc, boy that wouldn’t be a fix here lol. Ringmaiden moved up last year and brought in Buck this year. 
 

I don’t think we need to emulate other teams in doing this though. Outliers work too, like the Steelers never firing hcs. 
 Danny Mac interviewed for the Hamilton job. If he’s interested in the life style change of living up here full time I’d  consider promoting him from with in. Sunderland could be a candidate as well though far from top of my list. 
 Having Deslauriers and Gulakow is a big help for supporting gms too. You have a guy who knows the Canadians scouting and draft extremely well and a guy who can do day to day football ops stuff and logistics. 

[Booch]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

IMO a lot of the hc and gm changes are full on rebuilds after collapse. Hamilton is the predominant current case to look at. Dickenson moved up and of course kept him self as hc, boy that wouldn’t be a fix here lol. Ringmaiden moved up last year and brought in Buck this year. 
 

I don’t think we need to emulate other teams in doing this though. Outliers work too, like the Steelers never firing hcs. 
 Danny Mac interviewed for the Hamilton job. If he’s interested in the life style change of living up here full time I’d  consider promoting him from with in. Sunderland could be a candidate as well though far from top of my list. 
 Having Deslauriers and Gulakow is a big help for supporting gms too. You have a guy who knows the Canadians scouting and draft extremely well and a guy who can do day to day football ops stuff and logistics. 

Our biggest issue I dont think is G.M....Other than he isn't being the firm Boss he should be and allows his HC to dictate too much....speculating here a bit but from what I see....know....and have been through thats my take in it. There def a disconnect there and a differing opionion on the type of player....or qualities in a player that is being kept/re-upped and leaned on....also everyone being buddy buddy too doesn't help...as it clouds decision making and not wanting to hurt feelings....players included...and thats a bad metric and has us where we at now

Also Osh need to actually coach...be in the room....rattle cages for a lack of a better word....he allows too much self governing and has caused this malaise and comfort level that also is a bad thing and nobody has a worry in the world...only ones with worries are the youmg/newer guys who cant wait to get out of their contracts and move on

[rebusrankin]

This is not meant to dump on MOS but he's in his 11th year here as head coach. That is a long time in any sport. Seriously how many coaches in the CFL last 10+ years.

[ShyGuy]

https://3downnation.com/2025/07/21/edmonton-elks-mark-kilam-non-committal-on-canadian-qb-tre-fords-starting-status-after-benching/

 

What was old is new again 

Edited 6 hours ago by ShyGuy

[Booch]

4 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

https://3downnation.com/2025/07/21/edmonton-elks-mark-kilam-non-committal-on-canadian-qb-tre-fords-starting-status-after-benching/

 

What was old is new again 

at least he is smart about it....kudos to him....and willing to play the best option available

[HardCoreBlue]

6 minutes ago, Booch said:

at least he is smart about it....kudos to him....and willing to play the best option available

Great that means more player interviews with CF, ugh.

 

[rebusrankin]

1 minute ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Great that means more player interviews with CF, ugh.

 

"I'd like to thank God for the opportunity to start again. Its a blessing. I have also been reading comments from fans online and I need to say shut the front door to all those haters."

[Rich]

39 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

This is not meant to dump on MOS but he's in his 11th year here as head coach. That is a long time in any sport. Seriously how many coaches in the CFL last 10+ years.

O'Shea has been head coach since 2014.  Closest to that would be Dickenson who has been head coach since 2016. 

Calgary missed the playoffs last year before being 3rd in the West the prior 3 years, losing the semi final each year.  Though their record the last three years was 12 - 6, 6 - 12, 5 -12-1.  So one of those playoff years was just because everyone else in the West was bad.

Calgary seems to have revitalized itself this year.  Can O'Shea do that if we are entering a downward trend?   Do we need to go through 2 years of mediocrity before that happens?

[Noeller]

I'm slightly worried that O'Shea has lost the room... With the asterisk that I don't know enough to know enough.

In years past, even if we lost, we rarely if ever got blasted. An Osh team was always in it, right to the end. One time in Calgary they were down like 25-3 at the half, and cake back and almost won it. Now, there doesn't seem to be as much of a fight in them. 

[17to85]

8 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I'm slightly worried that O'Shea has lost the room... With the asterisk that I don't know enough to know enough.

In years past, even if we lost, we rarely if ever got blasted. An Osh team was always in it, right to the end. One time in Calgary they were down like 25-3 at the half, and cake back and almost won it. Now, there doesn't seem to be as much of a fight in them. 

I don't know about losing the room, but he's probably still defaulting to the leaders policing... well problem is it's the leaders sucking because they're old. Osh needs to get in there and hold people accountable. 

It's complacency 100%. From the coaches to the players. 

[Booch]

36 minutes ago, Rich said:

O'Shea has been head coach since 2014.  Closest to that would be Dickenson who has been head coach since 2016. 

Calgary missed the playoffs last year before being 3rd in the West the prior 3 years, losing the semi final each year.  Though their record the last three years was 12 - 6, 6 - 12, 5 -12-1.  So one of those playoff years was just because everyone else in the West was bad.

Calgary seems to have revitalized itself this year.  Can O'Shea do that if we are entering a downward trend?   Do we need to go through 2 years of mediocrity before that happens?

They also turned over their entire roster on  defensive side of ball...not afraid to make change/move on with best options....Osh hasn't figured that out yet...and truly I not sure he can/will...or can identify the best options

9 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I'm slightly worried that O'Shea has lost the room... With the asterisk that I don't know enough to know enough.

In years past, even if we lost, we rarely if ever got blasted. An Osh team was always in it, right to the end. One time in Calgary they were down like 25-3 at the half, and cake back and almost won it. Now, there doesn't seem to be as much of a fight in them. 

Maybe not lost room...but message doesn't translate anymore...nor is it relevant...coaches get stale and outdated...and only evolve so much...and if cant/won't adapt...well you get what we seeing.. and it started 2..3 yrs ago already...red flags and warning signs were there already ...but was glossed over and ignored with the "yeah buts"

[JuranBoldenRules]

1 minute ago, 17to85 said:

I don't know about losing the room, but he's probably still defaulting to the leaders policing... well problem is it's the leaders sucking because they're old. Osh needs to get in there and hold people accountable. 

It's complacency 100%. From the coaches to the players. 

IMO this is bang on.

Whatever you think of Bighill's on-field production, Alexander's, we went from guys like that setting the tone to Jefferson (toxic level of effort/attention to detail), Nichols (anyone know what his voice sounds like?), Wilson, Kramdi, Holm...guys who are like 3-4 year pros.

The room can't run itself anymore.  They built that, and it fell apart.  Need to rebuild it.

[Fatty Liver]

19 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I'm slightly worried that O'Shea has lost the room... With the asterisk that I don't know enough to know enough.

In years past, even if we lost, we rarely if ever got blasted. An Osh team was always in it, right to the end. One time in Calgary they were down like 25-3 at the half, and cake back and almost won it. Now, there doesn't seem to be as much of a fight in them. 

Coming in first every year isn't a given, nor is it a realistic expectation when 8 other organizations have the same goal, assuming the playing field is level and they have an experienced GM and coaching staff.  Would the Stamps be further ahead if they'd fired Dickenson as soon as their winning record dropped off?

Edited 4 hours ago by Fatty Liver

[wbbfan]

8 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

I don't know about losing the room, but he's probably still defaulting to the leaders policing... well problem is it's the leaders sucking because they're old. Osh needs to get in there and hold people accountable. 

It's complacency 100%. From the coaches to the players. 

On D, the WJ effect. Once a positive, when supported by guys from Kongbo, to ba and biggie, now is likely a negative. He's taken some bad penalties this year, just undisciplined stuff. If the leader on D is getting away with that, no one else can be held to a higher standard. 

[Booch]

1 minute ago, wbbfan said:

On D, the WJ effect. Once a positive, when supported by guys from Kongbo, to ba and biggie, now is likely a negative. He's taken some bad penalties this year, just undisciplined stuff. If the leader on D is getting away with that, no one else can be held to a higher standard. 

Much like on offence...no firey leader who plays with urgency and passion...save for BO

Kicking Sheed to the curb and not replacing his passion...voice...lead by example attitude has hurt us

I've said before we value at times some the wrong attributes in players

We need guys with edge and play on edge and at times can be right jackalopes...not saying Sheed was dirty...but if he saw an instance of teams taking liberties on us...he'd send a message with a play within constraints of the rules....and would also get up in his own guys faces...cause he cared and had passion 

We are littered with too many mild mannered oh shucks guys...not angry and hate to lose...complacent pusssies really 

That previous game with the embarrassing loss...all the happy faces...smiles...looking like they just won was sickening and wouldn't have flown in my time...angered me to no end...Osh included...starts from the top...there would have been some vets and guys with brass balls  lambasting their teammates...and a coach who would have parked guys on bench...PR or at the Greyhound...and likely you'd see a shift in how they handled business moving forward...not here tho...not for last 2...3 yrs..if ever

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, Rich said:

O'Shea has been head coach since 2014.  Closest to that would be Dickenson who has been head coach since 2016. 

Calgary missed the playoffs last year before being 3rd in the West the prior 3 years, losing the semi final each year.  Though their record the last three years was 12 - 6, 6 - 12, 5 -12-1.  So one of those playoff years was just because everyone else in the West was bad.

Calgary seems to have revitalized itself this year.  Can O'Shea do that if we are entering a downward trend?   Do we need to go through 2 years of mediocrity before that happens?

Pretty please with a cherry on top no?

39 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I'm slightly worried that O'Shea has lost the room... With the asterisk that I don't know enough to know enough.

In years past, even if we lost, we rarely if ever got blasted. An Osh team was always in it, right to the end. One time in Calgary they were down like 25-3 at the half, and cake back and almost won it. Now, there doesn't seem to be as much of a fight in them. 

Yup something I noticed as well. No fight, no spark when adversity hits. 

[Booch]

6 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Pretty please with a cherry on top no?

Yup something I noticed as well. No fight, no spark when adversity hits. 

No clue really

[17to85]

17 minutes ago, Booch said:

We need guys with edge and play on edge and at times can be right jackalopes...not saying Sheed was dirty...but if he saw an instance of teams taking liberties on us...he'd send a message with a play within constraints of the rules....and would also get up in his own guys faces...cause he cared and had passion

Kramdi...

[Booch]

27 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Kramdi...

should have added talent....starter talent

I dont think he is a big voice toward his own players tho....and rarely if ever seen Kramdi send a message withing the rules....some cheap shots tho

When that B.C player head shotted ..I think Woli??....Sheed kept it in his mind and buried him later....ending his season.....he also had some message sending blocks within the box too in bhis time here

[17to85]

Haha I know I'm just being a troll.

[HardCoreBlue]

4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Haha I know I'm just being a troll.

That’s not like you.

Okay I’ll head out.