do or die Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 Seems these days, that If you are merely left of the uber right wing....you get called a socialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 minute ago, do or die said: Seems these days, that If you are merely left of the uber right wing....you get called a socialist. Yup. Thats how they want it though. You're either with Trump or you're a communist. I watched a docuseries last night and it included a (left-biased) view of Kennedy and the changes he was trying to make to get out from under the war-footing the US had been on and the influence of the Military-Industrial complex that Eisenhower had warned about (even though he helped create it). The push towards peace, less interference in other governments, backing off the wild-eyed crusade to snuff out communism everywhere it might exist, pursuing peace with the Soviets etc I said before, left of Trump is not left of center. But the US needs a major reset. I hope super-progressive, ideological Dems sweep to control of both Houses and the White House by 2020. A couple of terms like that and we might see a more down-to-earth political landscape that sees common-sense across the spectrum (good for both Right & Left). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Unknown Poster Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) You can’t make this stuff up Edited June 27, 2018 by The Unknown Poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 Looking forward to Sanders demanding this man show more civility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 On 2018-06-24 at 4:36 PM, SpeedFlex27 said: No thanks. My son has moved to the US. His wedding is in 2 weeks. His fiancee's family are wonderful people. No way I'm boycotting so as not to see my son or his bride from here on out. congrats to your son and his family! As someone who married an American girl and made my home here, I can vouch that it's a great way to live. Every so often I look at the ******* lunatic jackals running the federal government here and think about pulling up stakes and returning to Canada. But I've been here twenty years, I've got roots here now that are far deeper than the roots I've got left in Canada. So yeah, I feel that same person connection that you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogi Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 14 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-ceo-harley-davidson-trump-moron/ FAKE NEWS. It's true, but he didn't say that. The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 45 minutes ago, yogi said: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-ceo-harley-davidson-trump-moron/ FAKE NEWS. It's true, but he didn't say that. Thank you for clarifying. I actually didnt post it at first because it seemed too out there but saw it in numerous places. Snopes does good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, johnzo said: congrats to your son and his family! As someone who married an American girl and made my home here, I can vouch that it's a great way to live. Every so often I look at the ******* lunatic jackals running the federal government here and think about pulling up stakes and returning to Canada. But I've been here twenty years, I've got roots here now that are far deeper than the roots I've got left in Canada. So yeah, I feel that same person connection that you do. A close friend married a Minnesota girl (she's a friend now). Great people. We went down there for their wedding. I've been to the Dakotas several times, Vegas a few times, Cali, Florida, Boston...never had a bad experience. But I find Americans love Canadians. they think we're awesome. The experience might be different for non-whites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 There is going to be a political war over this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: There is going to be a political war over this Unfortunately, the trumpites will will this one- I blame cocaine Mitch. Edited June 27, 2018 by wanna-b-fanboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 I guess it depends what happens in November or how quickly the Republican's move to fill it. The Dems will be very angry to see this happen right before mid-terms that could impact things. Although, Supreme Court nominees are confirmed in the Senate so the Dems would have to win the Senate to be able to sway this and thats not likely. But Obama duly nominated a replacement and the GOP Senate simply refused to call a confirmation hearing and after 200+ days, the nomination expired when the Senate's session ended. It was widely seen as dirty politics to not confirm the President's nominee. Obama even nominated someone that Republican's might like. Several GOP members said they'd rather confirm him than risk Clinton wining the Presidency as she'd surely nominate a more liberal justice. That didnt happen and Trump went with his own pick. Im generally torn on the SCOTUS because we hear a lot about politics - conservative justices vs liberal justices. But you hope and trust that anyone filling that exceptionally important and historic role would do the right thing in support of the constitution and the rights of Americans without politics. But I guess it comes down to interpretation There are examples of Justices bucking their President. For example, being more liberal in their decisions than their Right Wing President assumed when nominating them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 You can pretty much count on Roe v Wade being over-turned, which is very important to the left. Im more of a pro-lifer myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacklewasher Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Kennedy the only SCJ to not vote along clear left/right lines? From my understanding of their SC, losing him will be an unmitigated disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) Kennedy is the swing vote on a lot of cases, yes. He voted with the conservatives on election-related cases like Citizens United and Shelby (cases that allowed unlimited political spending and which defanged the Voting Rights Act) and voted with the liberals on sexual liberty cases like Lawrence v. Texas and Obergefell (which found anti-sodomy laws unconstitutional and mandated gay marriage nationwide) Edited June 27, 2018 by johnzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, johnzo said: Kennedy is the swing vote on a lot of cases, yes. He voted with the conservatives on election-related cases like Citizens United and Shelby (cases that allowed unlimited political spending and which defanged the Voting Rights Act) and voted with the liberals on sexual liberty cases like Lawrence v. Texas and Obergefell (which found anti-sodomy laws unconstitutional and mandated gay marriage nationwide) yeah he seemed to have prided himself on taking issues on an issue-by-issue basis. He did uphold the Boy Scouts right to ban gays. And he struck down an effort to ban handguns in DC saying it violated the second amendment. So if we accept he's someone who takes doing the right thing seriously and upholding the constitution, losing him now is a disaster because the Republicans will try and put someone in there that is far more right wing ideological. Even as a conservative, if given a choice, I'd prefer the Supreme Court have a one vote majority in a more liberal interpretation of the constitution because the really important things (gun control, gay rights etc) are more generally socially liberal things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mark F Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: Thanks for that article. There's a major flaw in these trade agreements. They take years to negotiate, draft, and pass. The Americans passed NAFTA only after all kinds of internal side deal making, arm twisting, and promises. Then one person can come along and completely destroy them, on a whim. They absolutely have to fix this. If Trump has proven anything, it's that other countries, and their citizens can't rely on goodwill, business as usual, and normal international behavior, from the USA. Edited June 27, 2018 by Mark F Wanna-B-Fanboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlue4ever Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 16 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: You can pretty much count on Roe v Wade being over-turned, which is very important to the left. Im more of a pro-lifer myself. Yes, let's protect those unborn fetuses, they have rights too that should supercede the choice of the mother......until they are born, then we can rip them out of their mother's arms and throw them in cages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlue4ever Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 17 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: Im generally torn on the SCOTUS because we hear a lot about politics - conservative justices vs liberal justices. But you hope and trust that anyone filling that exceptionally important and historic role would do the right thing in support of the constitution and the rights of Americans without politics. But I guess it comes down to interpretation There are examples of Justices bucking their President. For example, being more liberal in their decisions than their Right Wing President assumed when nominating them. I think the case of Bush v Gore pretty much put to bed any notion of the SCOTUS being an apolitical body. The travel Muslim ban decision and dissent just reinforced it once more. Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 He’s openly panicking Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Quote ANKARA, June 27 (Reuters) - Turkey does not consider itself bound by the United States’ push to stop Iran exporting oil from November and will work to ensure that its “brother country” is not hurt by the U.S. move, Economy Minister Nihat Zeybekci said on Wednesday. Same for India, and China. These three are the three main buyers of Iranian oil. This is after US said two days ago must not buy Iranian oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Unknown Poster Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 On 6/28/2018 at 7:28 AM, TrueBlue4ever said: Yes, let's protect those unborn fetuses, they have rights too that should supercede the choice of the mother......until they are born, then we can rip them out of their mother's arms and throw them in cages. One has nothing to do with the other. And yes unborn children should have their rights protected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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