Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

Graham should be removed. 
 

 

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Graham should be removed. 
 

 

Blanche is quite possibly the most two faced politician in the history of American politics.

What a nut

I have no doubt the Senate will sweep the impeachment away.  But it sure seems like Trump has some doubts 

43 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

What a nut

I have no doubt the Senate will sweep the impeachment away.  But it sure seems like Trump has some doubts 

I think that without any doubt Trump did not write that letter

1 hour ago, bustamente said:

I think that without any doubt Trump did not write that letter

For sure he didn’t.  But it was clearly at his demand (or to appease him).  He couldn’t string together three of the sentences in that letter. 

It reads like he said it while someone wrote it out. Definitely seems like a very stable guy for sure. I mean nothing says innocent like threatening letters

I think Chris Mathews nailed it by saying he thinks that it was Steven Miller that wrote that letter.

looking forward to the day when this Trump pprick is no longer in the news.

from your mouth to god's ears Mark.  somewhere someone will develop a vaccine for Type 2 diabetes out of old tires and microplastics, but CNN will be like OH BOY TRUMP TWEETS DUMB **** and so no one will notice.

it is goddamn amazing the power that narcissists have to dominate the discourse.  I've been around a few real top-level narcissists and even when you're sick of talking about them you wind up talking about them.

I muted and blocked Trump on twitter. Ive probably blocked 200 or more Trump tards yet this crap still shows up on my timeline. 

Judge tosses Paul Manafort's fraud case in New York.

Basically this frees Trump to pardon Manafort on federal crimes as he cannot pardon him for state crimes.

3 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Judge tosses Paul Manafort's fraud case in New York.

Basically this frees Trump to pardon Manafort on federal crimes as he cannot pardon him for state crimes.

Manafort will be released within a week. 

 

The criminal will excuse the criminal. Banana Republic. 

42 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Judge tosses Paul Manafort's fraud case in New York.

Basically this frees Trump to pardon Manafort on federal crimes as he cannot pardon him for state crimes.

WHo was the judge? And tossed for what reason?

Just now, wanna-b-fanboy said:

WHo was the judge? And tossed for what reason?

Double jeopardy. Can't be tried for the same crime. 

We'll see if the DA appeals and on what grounds. 

9 minutes ago, JCon said:

Double jeopardy. Can't be tried for the same crime. 

We'll see if the DA appeals and on what grounds. 

Odd- I thought they closed that loophole

 

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-signs-legislation-closing-new-yorks-double-jeopardy-loophole-authorizing-state

 

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overnor Andrew M. Cuomo today announced he signed legislation (S.4572/A.6653) to close New York's double jeopardy legal loophole that protects individuals who are pardoned by a President from being prosecuted at the state level for the same offense. This key reform, which was an Attorney General's program bill, gives New York prosecutors discretion to pursue prosecution of criminal acts where they have jurisdiction.

 

1 minute ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Odd- I thought they closed that loophole

 

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-signs-legislation-closing-new-yorks-double-jeopardy-loophole-authorizing-state

 

 

I guess the judge is challenging that legislation. I honestly don't know enough from my casual readings. I'll be interested to read the analysis from the legal experts down south. 

Important because Trump's last act will be to Pardon himself and his family.  And NY surely wants a piece of them all.

Just now, The Unknown Poster said:

Important because Trump's last act will be to Pardon himself and his family.  And NY surely wants a piece of them all.

How can he pardon himself if he can't be indicted because he is a sitting president? 

 

16 hours ago, Goalie said:

I muted and blocked Trump on twitter. Ive probably blocked 200 or more Trump tards yet this crap still shows up on my timeline. 

too bad, because his presidential feed is pretty fun to read, running up to the Impeachment vote... I am oh so enjoying this too much...

 

 

21 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

How can he pardon himself if he can't be indicted because he is a sitting president? 

 

He already said he thinks he can.  I recall hearing a brief discussion on CNN about it with some people saying it was absurd and others saying it hadnt been tested in the courts.  

One thing that might make him leave is if he is certain of a loss but polling indicates a different candidate might win, he could make a deal to step aside in return for a pardon (like Nixon/Ford).  But I bet he still tries to pardon himself.

20 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

He already said he thinks he can.  I recall hearing a brief discussion on CNN about it with some people saying it was absurd and others saying it hadnt been tested in the courts.  

One thing that might make him leave is if he is certain of a loss but polling indicates a different candidate might win, he could make a deal to step aside in return for a pardon (like Nixon/Ford).  But I bet he still tries to pardon himself.

I know he thinks he can... he pretty much thinks he can do anything that benefits him. 

 

Politco has a fun article about Don and the giant Impeach:

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“For Trump, now impeachment will appear in the opening paragraph of his life,” said presidential historian Douglas Brinkley.

 

Edited December 18, 20196 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

Its interesting because I think Clinton overcame impeachment and is thought of as a good President.  But I think history judges his impeachment as a real witchhunt and he likely should have been censured.   But with Trump everyone knows he's corrupt. Everyone knows he illegitimate.  So being impeached is a big cherry on top of the media and historians who would have to treat him as a legitimate, but disliked President (sort of like W.).  Now they wont.  He's going to be impeached and that will dovetail to how he was the most corrupt, moronic President ever, who lost by millions and millions of votes who'd have lost the election if not for Rudy's FBI pals in New York and Russian interference.

The rally tonight will be a even crazier tonight in Michigan, he is getting to the point where during one of these rallies he will instruct and beg his followers to rise up,take arms and protect their beloved dictator.

15 minutes ago, bustamente said:

The rally tonight will be a even crazier tonight in Michigan, he is getting to the point where during one of these rallies he will instruct and beg his followers to rise up,take arms and protect their beloved dictator.

he already did that.

2 hours ago, bustamente said:

The rally tonight will be a even crazier tonight in Michigan, he is getting to the point where during one of these rallies he will instruct and beg his followers to rise up,take arms and protect their beloved dictator.

 

2 hours ago, Mark F said:

he already did that.

It's funny, because it is true.

It is also very, very sad.