Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

 

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For the first time, China has overtaken the United States in terms of the total number of science publications, according to statistics compiled by the US National Science Foundation (NSF). 

The United States spent the most on research and development (R&D) — around US$500 billion in 2015, or 26% of the global total. China came in second, at roughly $400 billion. But US spending remained flat as a share of the country’s economy, whereas China has increased its R&D spending, proportionally, in recent years.

 

For instance, Trump is proposing huge cuts to renewable energy research.  Fortunately I have read that both parties, don't want to do this. 

He's leading America backwards.

@blue_gold_84

Edited February 9, 20187 yr by Mark F

What a surprise. trump won’t release the Dems memo. 

 

Trump spoke  to the press corps, for several minutes.   Talking about what a great guy Porter is, what a great job he did.     Trump did express some concern though - about how Porter would handle this situation, and stated his best wishes were with him, also hoped he would have a "great career"

NOTHING about the underlying (and very current) issue of abuse and the WH handing of this case,  and NOT ONE WORD about any of the 3 women involved.

One one level .....disgraceful.   On another.....pretty unsurprising and  typical.

 

Just as an aside, it is estimated that 40% of domestic abuse is against men, given the number of victims coming out, when is the other shoe going to drop? For every 6 female victims there should be 4 male victims and I don't believe the cases being reported by the media are bearing those numbers out. 

 

Edited February 10, 20187 yr by pigseye
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Again if this was W or Obama the porter thing is a gigantic story and it could sink them. Certainly would take down the CoS. For Trump it’s just another day.

and let’s be honest. The reason he’s so defensive of Porter is because he simply cannot come out and support the accusers because he himself has so many allegations against him.  

Imagine having to explain why the president keeps defending abusers.  

11 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Just as an aside, it is estimated that 40% of domestic abuse is against men, given the number of victims coming out, when is the other shoe going to drop? For every 6 female victims there should be 4 male victims and I don't believe the cases being reported by the media are bearing those numbers out. 

 

B.S.

Edited February 10, 20187 yr by Mark F

15 minutes ago, Mark F said:

B.S.

What part the 40% or the cases being reported by the media. 

48 minutes ago, Mark F said:

Just as an aside, it is estimated that 40% of domestic abuse is against men

This is B.S.

3 minutes ago, Mark F said:

This is B.S.

I think you'd be surprised, 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/domestic-violence-against-men-target-of-controversial-campaign-1.2989105

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/the180/why-louis-ck-is-wrong-to-police-ticket-sales-diversity-in-the-judiciary-and-domestic-violence-against-men-1.3775006/men-are-victims-of-domestic-violence-more-often-than-you-think-1.3776182

http://torontosun.com/2016/06/23/men-also-suffer-from-domestic-abuse/wcm/b634914f-6bfb-4118-a755-d4b0ca803b01

 

"estimates"

Why don't you show us the statistics on convictions for domestic violence? readily available.

Anyway, another successful diversion by you.  

 

 

Edited February 10, 20187 yr by Mark F

Trump said something stupid today.

 

Just wanted to update the thread.

On 2/10/2018 at 11:15 AM, pigseye said:

Just as an aside, it is estimated that 40% of domestic abuse is against men, given the number of victims coming out, when is the other shoe going to drop? For every 6 female victims there should be 4 male victims and I don't believe the cases being reported by the media are bearing those numbers out. 

 

In the midst of the metoo movement, in a thread about US politics, in a discussion about a top male white house aid resigning over domestic abuse allegations from women, you want to interject with "what about the men?"  Holy smokes man.  When Trump said he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and not lose a vote from his base, he sure was right.

22 hours ago, Mark F said:

Trump said something stupid today.

 

Just wanted to update the thread.

Yeah but what about Hilary?  Or about all the male victims?  THAT'S what's important. lol

Jokes aside, let's be honest here.  The news is all tip toeing around reality.  They are covering this story and wondering why Sanders is gaslighting American's, why Trump wont speak about victims etc.  The truth is, its consciousness of guilt by Trump.

The police technique of interviewing potential suspects and asking them what they think should happen to whomever perpetrated the crime is appropriate here.  An innocent person generally would want a perpetrator punished while a guilty person doesnt want their words haunting them and tries to deflect or minimize it.  Trump has so many allegations against him that he simply cannot come down hard on the side of victims.  Those words would haunt him.  He's afraid it would lead to a revival of allegations or new allegations.

When he speaks about Porter, he's really speaking about himself: "Its so sad for him"  "He says he's innocent".

Every day is a new disgrace.   But I guess its the FBI's fault Porter didnt have security clearance.  You know else doesnt have security clearance?  Kushner and 30+ other White House staff.  If Trump wasn't President, he wouldnt have security clearance either.  And yet these guys like Porter had top secret material crossing their desks. 

22 hours ago, Mark F said:

Trump said something stupid today.

 

Just wanted to update the thread.

You mean this? http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-canada-global-trade-tax-1.4532053

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"Canada does not treat us right in terms of the farming and the crossing the borders," Trump said.

"We cannot continue to be taken advantage of by other countries."

Of course he makes no mention of the dirt cheap electricity, petroleum, and natural gas his country gets from Canada.

1 minute ago, blue_gold_84 said:

You mean this? http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-canada-global-trade-tax-1.4532053

Of course he makes no mention of the dirt cheap electricity, petroleum, and natural gas his country gets from Canada.

Probably because whatever staffer  benefits from this didnt tell him that part.

10 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said:

You mean this? http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-canada-global-trade-tax-1.4532053

Of course he makes no mention of the dirt cheap electricity, petroleum, and natural gas his country gets from Canada.

yeah it's a terrible deal for them. 

here are their own stats. From "The Office of the United States Trade Representative,  Executive Office of the President.

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U.S.-Canada Trade Facts

U.S. goods and services trade with Canada totaled an estimated $627.8 billion in 2016. Exports were $320.1 billion; imports were $307.6 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade surplus with Canada was $12.5 billion in 2016.

Canada is currently our 2nd largest goods trading partner with $544.0 billion in total (two way) goods trade during 2016. Goods exports totaled $266.0 billion; goods imports totaled $278.1 billion. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Canada was $12.1 billion in 2016.

Trade in services with Canada (exports and imports) totaled an estimated $ 83.7 billion in 2016. Services exports were $54.2 billion; services imports were $ 26.9 billion. The U.S. services trade surplus with Canada was $24.6 billion in 2016.

According to the Department of Commerce, U.S. exports of goods and services to Canada supported an estimated 1.6 million jobs in 2015 (latest data available) (1.2 million supported by goods exports and 36- thousand supported by services exports).

 

He's a know nothing, and he's proud of it.

Edited February 13, 20187 yr by Mark F

 Take it easy on Trump.   

After all.....pretty hard for him to make a comment against racism, bigotry, xenophobia, or for that matter, wife-beating....... without alienating his base.

35 minutes ago, do or die said:

 Take it easy on Trump.   

After all.....pretty hard for him to make a comment against racism, bigotry, xenophobia, or for that matter, wife-beating....... without alienating his base.

You've hit on something else here.  Sanders can come out and give all the "traditional" talking points because the base will say "they have to say that for the liberals but we know what they really think" because Trump doesnt say it.

Sanders is grotesque. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

 

When the Mooch starts throwing shade at the White House after all the defending he has been doing even since he got fired you know that there are some big problems in this government.

1 minute ago, bustamente said:

When the Mooch starts throwing shade at the White House after all the defending he has been doing even since he got fired you know that there are some big problems in this government.

I think it means its Kelly's turn to be Trump's sacrificial lamb.  Over/Under on Kelly resigning, being interviewed by Mueller, Trump claiming he was fired and then ripping publicly...