IC Khari Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Yes we're young, but we still shouldn't be so unprepared to play the games (particularly our ghastly 2nd period efforts). In light of that, how much rope should Paul Maurice get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) Lotsa rope. We looked really good the first period. A guess the question is what are they going to do come about the 10 game mark if we continue to be a so-so team with near 4GAA then we be looking at possibly Pav to come up and guessing Helle to go down. Speaking of Conner - the other one, its not looking too good. As for the D well Buff off to slow start. Myers started like crap but mucho improved lately. He's better when he's thinking offensively. Morrissey not bad. 5/6 D...who are they again? Long season tho, give me 5 more games. Edited October 24, 2016 by FrostyWinnipeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 He gets lots of rope. But I agree the lack of preparation is concerning. This isn't a team of kids. Plenty of veterans on this team. if they lost every game he'd still be around. This is a free pass of a season. And it's too early to tell anyway. That game really bothered me though. It shows a scary lack of maturity...or something to play that badly in the biggest game of the new era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) It shows that coaching might be an issue. Laine made a bad play... Oilers scored. He was kind of benched a bit. Buff plays like crap... Stafford plays like crap... they get more ice time. It's an issue and sends an interesting but confusing message. Stafford and Lowry on the PP also sends an interesting but confusing message. Coming out flat every 2nd period is similar to a football team who doesn't adjust at the half. I like Maurice but at times he takes to long to adjust and really favors veterans even if they are struggling big time. But I guess I'll steal a quote from Warren Buffet on success... you can't produce a baby In 1 month by getting 9 girls pregnant. What that means Is success takes time and patience. I don't think Maurice is on the clock but at the same time if nothing improves... pp pk etc by game 25 30... then perhaps we can talk about it a bit more. Edited October 24, 2016 by Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BomberBall Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 2 hours ago, Goalie said: It shows that coaching might be an issue. Laine made a bad play... Oilers scored. He was kind of benched a bit. Buff plays like crap... Stafford plays like crap... they get more ice time. It's an issue and sends an interesting but confusing message. Stafford and Lowry on the PP also sends an interesting but confusing message. Coming out flat every 2nd period is similar to a football team who doesn't adjust at the half. I like Maurice but at times he takes to long to adjust and really favors veterans even if they are struggling big time. But I guess I'll steal a quote from Warren Buffet on success... you can't produce a baby In 1 month by getting 9 girls pregnant. What that means Is success takes time and patience. I don't think Maurice is on the clock but at the same time if nothing improves... pp pk etc by game 25 30... then perhaps we can talk about it a bit more. I don't like Stafford getting top 6 ice, but at least he has a scoring pedigree, so I guess, I understand him being on the PP. Lowry?? It makes absolutely no sense for him to ever see a PP second. I feel bad for Armia having to play on his line. He sets Lowry up constantly and he can't cash in. I really believe Copp would be a much better option over Lowry. Goalie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 14 minutes ago, BomberBall said: I don't like Stafford getting top 6 ice, but at least he has a scoring pedigree, so I guess, I understand him being on the PP. Lowry?? It makes absolutely no sense for him to ever see a PP second. I feel bad for Armia having to play on his line. He sets Lowry up constantly and he can't cash in. I really believe Copp would be a much better option over Lowry. Not so much over Lowry but Burmi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) Lowry should be a 4th line center. Hes Big he's physical but he can't score. Perfect 4th line center. Copp has more skill than Lowry. Scheif Little Copp Lowry Perreault for Little right now but when little back... Perreault should move back to the wing where he's more effective Laine Scheif Ehlers Perreault Little Wheeler Connor Copp Dano Tanev Lowry Armia YuP no Mathias or Stafford or Burmi cuz they aren't needed Edited October 24, 2016 by Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Matthias has to be a big disappointment. Well for anyone who thought he was good. I was willing to give Chevy the benefit of the doubt. I guess the idea was a hardworking veteran. But I still have to remind myself who he is out there. Was it a one year deal? I'd prefer a one month deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Matthias got some good speed n size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BomberBall Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 29 minutes ago, Goalie said: Lowry should be a 4th line center. Hes Big he's physical but he can't score. Perfect 4th line center. Copp has more skill than Lowry. Scheif Little Copp Lowry Perreault for Little right now but when little back... Perreault should move back to the wing where he's more effective Laine Scheif Ehlers Perreault Little Wheeler Connor Copp Dano Tanev Lowry Armia YuP no Mathias or Stafford or Burmi cuz they aren't needed I like those lines. I don't see Stafford out of the lineup, just yet, but he's been sleep walking thus far, so I agree, we don't need him. I think I'd switch Dano and Armia... Armia deserves a shot at the 3rd line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 2 hours ago, Goalie said: Lowry should be a 4th line center. Hes Big he's physical but he can't score. Perfect 4th line center. Copp has more skill than Lowry. Scheif Little Copp Lowry Perreault for Little right now but when little back... Perreault should move back to the wing where he's more effective Laine Scheif Ehlers Perreault Little Wheeler Connor Copp Dano Tanev Lowry Armia YuP no Mathias or Stafford or Burmi cuz they aren't needed So, that was your other personality telling me he deserved top 6 minutes because he was a proven 20 goal scorer a couple of days ago when I said he was taking time from the younger players and should be traded? wow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Maurice is going nowhere this year, next year is a different story and it depends on the younger players improving and the veterans playing to there potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 I think there is a chance Maurice could go this year, but it won't be based on win / loss record, it will be based on how the team looks and responds to his coaching. If they put up 70 / 80 points but you see the progression in the younger players and the team is still putting out the effort, he will be fine. But if the losing mounts up and the players start playing like they were under Noel when he was let go, then a change will have to be made. Goalie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Ducky said: Edited October 24, 2016 by Goalie Why Bother really. Chery PICKING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Rich said: I think there is a chance Maurice could go this year, but it won't be based on win / loss record, it will be based on how the team looks and responds to his coaching. If they put up 70 / 80 points but you see the progression in the younger players and the team is still putting out the effort, he will be fine. But if the losing mounts up and the players start playing like they were under Noel when he was let go, then a change will have to be made. I think you are right... I think Maurice needs to clean up the penalties, i think he talks a good talk but his actions tend to not really go hand in hand with his talk... he's very much like Noel, where i think he's a great interview but perhaps his actions suggest otherwise, It's funny, if you look at Maurices Career as a head coach and this can't just be coincidence cuz it's happened everywhere he's gone but... the team he coaches has a good year maybe 2 and then they nose dive, fall off a cliff, i wonder at times if his message that he sends to the media and fans is the same one he's sending to the players and perhaps eventually the players see through it, I mean, at this point, when a veteran like stafford or buff plays like crap, what happens is they get to play and play and play... but if a rookie makes a mistake, he sits on the bench for a bit... I don't know how well that goes over with players in the long run. It's one to thing to play favorites but... when you constantly do it, perhaps you lose some of the respect from the players.. You got a guy like Buff for example, struggled like lots so far, but theres no consequences to his struggles, he still plays his 25 30 minutes a night.... lowry on the PP? I mean that right there is crazy, i get what they are doing but if they think LOWRY on the PP with the same group who hasn't got it done for 2 seasons is the answer, that's crazy talk... I like Maurice but I'm not sure if he's the right coach for a team who seems to be building towards being built on speed and skill. And his interview saturday night where he was talking about thorburn and stuart, saying it's a tough choice to not play them in the game tomorrow, well, is it tho? should it be? I don't think it should be a hard choice at all, i mean, is the idea to try to win or is it to play favorites? Cuz right now, it almost looks like Maurice is playing favorites and that's not a good thing for a coach to be doing. All of them do it, but when you have a team built right now for speed and skill, why would you ever think of putting thorburn or stuart back in there. Edited October 24, 2016 by Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC Khari Posted October 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Maurice's comment about Stuart and Thorbs not getting in to play the Hertiage Classic bothered me as well. The team needs to put the best team on the ice each game. If Thorburn or Stuart play to that level so be it. If they don't, then that's a problem ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 There's not that big a drop if any from Stu to Chiarot but Thorbs shouldn't get out of the pressbox much at all if at all if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 This is going to be a long rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 I know fans who were very angry Thorburn didnt play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 18 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: I know fans who were very angry Thorburn didnt play. I'm more upset none of the players who did dress played. Noeller, Ducky, IC Khari and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Bottom line, Maurice was a good enough coach to get a team full of good players into the playoffs. He's not good enough to take a team full of bad players into the playoffs. Is that on Maurice? I put it more on Chevy. If we miss the playoffs this year I'd fire both. Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Now, there's a brilliant idea. Let's fire the GM that inherited next to nothing and has stocked the system with the best prospects in the league.....brilliant....sure am glad you aren't Chevy's boss...unbelievable. Goalie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) Maurice goes long long long before Chevy does and if he keeps playing favorites and the pp keeps sucking and the team keeps taking penalties with no consequences it will be sooner rather than later. This team has skill out the butt... it's gonna take time for them to gel obviously but things like playing favorites... bad PP.. being unprepared to play... in football terms not making adjustments in game quick enough... no consequences for penalties... well it's on the coach. If this was the bombers ppl would want O'shea gone but since it's Maurice and he's a good talker... nope. It's crazy actually. But should ppl be surprised that a coach with a below 500 winning percentage with history of doing the same old same old isn't the answer? Wasn't the answer in Hartford or Carolina or Toronto and then sat for years not coaching.... there's a reason for that.... and it's got a lot to do with the fact that coaches with below 500 records don't get hired. Edited October 25, 2016 by Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Chevy and Maurice either survive or get fired together... don't see a coaching change coming mid-season. Both here till end of 2017-18 season imo. Seven years is a long rebuild for a team that isn't really rebuilding... Atomic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) I say it's high time Tommy McVie got another shot! That was some coaching display on Saturday! Edited October 25, 2016 by kelownabomberfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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