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No they haven't. They have done zero there as well. At best these guys are lower end IMPs.

Adams has been below average at best and the stats are accurate. He is averaging just short of 30 snaps a game.

I expect that Person will get more reps as well. As a rookie he played himself into the lineup quite quickly I think. If you are suggesting that we didn't move him in quick enough as a rookie I disagree.

I agree with some of that. Our guys in house are not going to fix anything. Adams has had more reps than JT and done absolutely zero with them. Scrap heaping and air lifting isn't my favorite way to build a team because it shows your offseason was a bust, but a GM needs to do this once in a while when it is apparent that it needs to happen. So far bupkus. Garbutt, Fox, and now Adams had ample time to show their worth. They failed to do so. Are there some guys we ripen on the vine too long....maybe, but that is not the problem with our DL right now. Guys need to grab the job away through their play and we haven't seen that at any position for a couple of years now. Losing jobs through injury? No one has made a case for that.

Two roster moves to fix one is not using your roster to its maximum potential. Winner winner chicken dinner. The problem lies with us settling on mediocrity for far too long.

Exactly right. We can criticize our NAT guys, but we sure don't have the IMPs to make a noticeable difference if we were to change that up. Our DL is a mess and it doesn't predicate at all on how many reps Jake Thomas is getting. That is a symptom of the problem not the cause. Vaughters has underperformed his contract as well. RIght now we are not getting reliable play from anyone on our DL and a good portion of our secondary. Exactly. The problem isn't that we are sitting massively talented players and refusing to play them. The problem is we lack talent across the board on the DL.

Exactly right. If someone wants to criticize moves made where we lost real impact players like Stove, or Lawler I can't argue but grousing about how Garbutt and Fox moved on because they were treated unfairly is a real head shaker to me. We haven't brought in anyone worth a snot since Stove and Casey. The interior of our DL is a giant mess because we haven't recruited a lick of talent there in 4 years. We haven't recruited anyone worth a snot since Casey.

I agree that we ripen prospects on the vine way too much, however, when they do get their turn very few have seized it. It's easy to criticize our lack of transition from old to young, because that is indeed what is happening, the problem I have is no one has stepped in when opportunity presents itself through injuries. We grouse about player A or player B being past their prime or just not good enough and then the next guy up comes on and shits the bed. The first part is poor coaching but the second part is poor GMing. I mean you listed two examples of guys we moved on from (Garbutt/Fox) who both sucked when they played. The fact that they are better than who replaced them on the roster speaks volumes about the job our recruiters and GM are doing. How in blue blazes does anyone expect MOS to get rid of vets when we consistently recruit crap on our DL.

Almost definitely. He was a scrap heap pickup prior to the injury, it is hard to imagine anyone giving him a serious look next year.

You keep saying that...name one IMPACT player that left here for any other reason than we wouldn't pay them, they went to the NFL, or our geography wasn't to their liking. Sure there are some guys that exited off the fringes of our roster for more playing time and not a single one of those guys would make an impact for us whether they stayed or not, We've lost an all star team of talent to $$$$$ and that lands squarely on KW's shoulders. I'm quite happy with the job they've done. 2 Grey Cups, and 5 straight trips to the big game. I am, however, not impressed with the job either man is currently doing.

We've seen the difference a Person or the ilk make to our overall competitiveness.....ZERO. You guys can keep lambasting the coach over roster moves of little consequence, and you are right they don't help, but our BIGGEST problem this year is that over the last few years we have lost an all star team worth of players through Walters mismanagement. Simple as that.

Yep, hard to blame the HC for a lack of depth, poor recruitment, and poor retention. Lots of ppl yapping on here about how great the next guy up is....until he plays and then it's pretty easy to figure out that the old vet in front of him may be washed up but is still our better option. Talent has disappeared out the door. That's a GM problem. I think Walters time might be up. His drafting has been awful as well. Our coaching problems are not who is on the field, that's a GM job, our coaching problem is in our game planning, adjustments in game, preparation, and motivation. All 4 get a big fat F grade the last two games. All of Walters, scouts, and coaching staff seem to have gotten a little too comfortable with the status quo. A shake up is needed if we don't show marked improvement. I would personally recommend that we fire Walters, but if the decision is to get rid of MOS so be it.

Bridges was awful both games as well. He could be 6'9 and he still would have been torched because he likes to stop and look back far too early. Not easy at all when we have absolutely nothing behind him.

Not good. The score says it all. Person and Vanterpool weren't the only ones who sucked tho.

My takeaway is that Bridges should be given an apple and a road map. Our OL and DL were useless, and Strev is not a very good QB Also our coordinators are not coordinating anything

Yes

I'm willing to give him a chance, but I am not particularly optimistic.

We absolutely need to bring some guys in at receiver. Our receiving corps is sub par.

At the end of the day the GM is the guy who offers the contracts. The fact that Jake Thomas or other long in the tooth guys are still here is 100% on Walters. I could give a crap if MOS wants these guys, sometimes as GM you gotta save a coach from himself. I look at his body of work over the past 3 years and I see a big fat F grade for Walters. Our depth is suspect, our OL and DL are average at best, and our NAT content is deteriorated compared to when we were the envy of the league. That's on the GM. I'm not trying to give MOS an out with these comments either, he needs to be better.

I don't mind a GM letting a succession plan play out. Dobson out for Wallace is probably going to pay off over the short term. However, we are letting guys that were game changers like Grant and Lawler go without any real clear replacements. Grant, in particular, was extremely baffling because he was waiting for our call.

I don't necessarily think he is wrong about Schoen, I'm not ready to write him off yet, but Lawler was a guy they needed to bring back. They let him go once and found out, I'm not quite clear why they repeated the mistake. As for FA mistakes, yep, very poor. Walters in general going back a couple years now is not exactly making too many good calls in hindsight is he? We are letting guys walk that should be staying, we are keeping guys that should be walking, and he's been getting a bit of a free ride from the fans. Our roster composition is HIS job not O'Shea's. Sure Osh makes it even worse with some decisions, but we have seen a considerable drop off in elite talent over the past couple years and more. In one offseason we let 3 all stars walk out the door and 2 of them were NATs. That's not particularly great GMing. Granted other teams blew their brains out to get them, but Walters should have known that was bound to happen if he let them hit the market. Now, of course, the elite of the league will always get raided but you got to have an ace up your sleeve when these things happen. Walters had let a plethora of talent go in the past few years without much of a replacement plan.

Never said you were a liar, I said you are making some big assumptions. I have no problem with us re-signing Schoen to the money we gave him, but I really think we erred letting Kenny walk. Should have trimmed somewhere else and given him his money to stay.

I would expect you to defend your inside knowledge, as someone of your ilk is bound to do. Sorry man, but until proven otherwise your insider knowledge is random fan here say. You say I am just a random person who befriended them kinda like a workout buddy I suppose. I know you've suggested you have had some former playing days but that does not make you a current colleague of theirs.

I know a bunch of the players and they told me they gather and sing kumbaya at the end of practice and it is a regular love fest there. I can't mention any names and the media won't report on it out of secrecy. I guess what i'm saying is that you are an anonymous poster on a fan site that can't specifically back up his claims to insider locker room knowledge. I have known many of the guys in the locker room over the years, many were good friends of mine and not a single one would ever break the barrier of the locker room. What happens in there stays in there if you are a real professional. Anyone yapping about it at Gold's gym shouldn't be in the locker room anymore., Cancer starts from guys like that, so if you have sources that are disgruntled and are talking to a random guy outside the locker room about it, we don't want or need them here. I hope your malcontents get cut.

I wouldn't say he's making things up, he's just reading things into scenarios that may or may not exist. Who knows maybe there is a morale problem and that MOS and Walters failed to do their jobs this offseason because they suddenly became incompetent after a 5 year GC finalist run that included two championships and players saw it and left for less money as he suggested. However, the more likely answer is that our FA's and guys at the end of their first contracts cashed in on the team success with big contracts that we could not match because of SMS. It literally happens to championship calibre teams every year. They get raided. The players listed left for more money, or a clearer shot of playing time because we had better players ahead of them on the DC. Simple as that.