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    Blueandgold reacted to SpeedFlex27 in Renaming Sports Teams   
    I understand Washington will be renaming their team the Red Wolves. The Grey Wolves & Black Wolves are upset. Black Wolves Matter are planning a mass wolf demonstration at Washington's training camp next week in protest.
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    Blueandgold got a reaction from Fred C Dobbs in 2020 Thread   
    The only thing better is our Grey Cup win.
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    Blueandgold got a reaction from rebusrankin in 2020 Thread   
    The only thing better is our Grey Cup win.
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    Blueandgold reacted to rebusrankin in 2020 Thread   
    How fantastic is it that we have beaten the Riders in their barn the past two playoffs?
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    Blueandgold got a reaction from bearpants in 2019-20 CFL Offseason   
    He didn’t go on a homophobic rant. He literally said that he doesn’t support gay marriage. He didn’t say that he hates gay people or anything derogatory towards them. Not to mention that gay marriage is still relatively new and that many people grew up in religious households where that is not supported. Someone should not be lynched for having a different view than you or I.

    We should focus on educating people on why that thought is considered inappropriate. Instead, we resort to calling the person a bigot and demand they lose their job. People participating in cancel culture as the ones who are saying we need to be tolerant of everyone’s views. Yet at the same time, are also the first ones to call a person a piece of **** on social media and not engage in any sort of discussion with them. 

    I just think that educating and reasoning is a better option than automatically declaring that the person is garbage. 
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    Blueandgold reacted to bryan35 in Renaming Sports Teams   
    Wonder if the feds will rename the Indian Act ?
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    Blueandgold reacted to Brandon in Renaming Sports Teams   
    I do feel sorry for you,  CBC has a massive agenda so it's exactly the most reliable source of world news.   
     
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    Blueandgold reacted to Mr Dee in 2019-20 Grey Cup Champs Off-season discussion.   
    "I am so looking forward to running out of that tunnel for the first game and defending the Grey Cup."
    Zach Collaros 
    https://www.bluebombers.com/2020/07/11/first-10-column-catching-collaros/      Ed Tait

     
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    Blueandgold reacted to Fred C Dobbs in Renaming Sports Teams   
    If you want to get an insight into an Inuit discussion of this issue I strongly recommend reading this article in the local Iqaluit (Nunavut) newspaper:

    https://nunatsiaq.com/stories/article/edmonton-football-club-responds-to-new-calls-for-a-name-change/

    It's not so much the article itself but rather the comments on it that I found really interesting. Just a random example:
    Posted by Northern Inuit on 6 July, 2020

    just because you have a twitter account doesn’t make you the be all and end all voice of eskimo’s and inuit alike.

    talk to us, many of your fellow inuit love the name Edmonton Eskimo’s.

    I’m not a fan of the CFL, but I’m proud and happy that Edmonton chose their name.

    now wash your hands and stop worrying about the small things.
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    Blueandgold reacted to bigg jay in W Hub   
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    Blueandgold reacted to SpeedFlex27 in Renaming Sports Teams   
    This. 
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    Blueandgold reacted to Brandon in Renaming Sports Teams   
    In all this confusion of posts,   has any groups officially protested the name of "Eskimos" or was it only a sponsor wanting to pull out?
    My personal thoughts... most people do not associate the word Eskimo with something derogatory.  This isn't something black and white such as Redskins. I agree with Tootoo and if the group of Inuits are not wanting it then change it.    I can't stand when white people try to speak for other groups and assume that they know better. 
    If it comes back that they would like the team to change the name,  then it's not like the Edmonton Eskimos brand is some red hot brand that the merch sales hold the team up and generate so much revenue.   It might give them a new opportunity to rebrand to something more attractive which could give them a nice boost of sales if done right. 
    I still say if all else fails.... Edmonton RoughRiders....
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    Blueandgold reacted to Goldkobra in Renaming Sports Teams   
    I'm an aboriginal man, and i consider the term eskimo to be in the same vein as calling a Canadian a canuck or an American a yankee.  It's more of a nickname that can be used as a slur depending on context. I'm not opposed to changing the name, but i don't feel its necessary. 
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    Blueandgold reacted to SpeedFlex27 in Renaming Sports Teams   
    Tootoo's not but he said it isn't offensive. The message I take from him is that he wouldn't change it.  To me, 10% are making 90% of the noise. It's always like that. 
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    Blueandgold reacted to TrueBlue4ever in Renaming Sports Teams   
    Careful throwing around the "stupid" label. That is unnecessary in my view. We are allowed to express opinions and should not be slagged if it differs for another's. There are people who believe in vaccination, but some who don't. Should we automatically change polio and measles protocols for kids because some are offended by vaccinations? That could be a parallel to your position. (I exaggerate of course, but the way to win that argument is to back up the scientific evidence pro and con in the vaccine discussion, rather than throwing out the "stupid take" vitriol as a fact when it amounts to opinion only).
    How about discussing why someone else's point of view may be misguided, not just calling it an incredibly stupid take because you don't see things that way. Cite the people who are offended and why they are offended, and not just assume they must be because you have decided for them. Discussion, not name-calling please.
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    Blueandgold reacted to TrueBlue4ever in Renaming Sports Teams   
    The bolded part is an open question I have. Who really are the "many who seem to think" that the name is offensive? I hear a lot of social justice warriors (Troy Westwood springs to mind) claim that the name is offensive to many, but have the actual potentially offended group actually been asked?
    Here is what Jordan Tootoo, Inuit NHL player, had to say, and it's a lot more eloquent and thought out than most people on either side of the debate who have taken a hard stand have presented:
     
    My position is this.
    We should all understand what the term means to the Inuk people. My father’s generation connects this term to describe who they are. He would refer to himself as an Eskimo. My generation refers to itself as Inuk. What is important to me is that people understand this. And, when referring to the Inuit people to the Inuit people, they respect that we refer to ourselves today as Inuk. 
    I understand there are names of sports teams that bring back feelings of oppression for people and I can see why those names should be changed. 
    So, this makes me ask the question, does the term Eskimo for the Edmonton franchise bring back feelings of oppression for Inuk people? For me, it does not. That is NOT a reason to keep the name. There could be others for whom it does create those feelings. But for me, it does not. 
    I encourage the franchise to explain why they chose the name Eskimos in the first place. Was it racially charged, or, was it because of admiration for the ability of the Eskimos to thrive in cold climates, for their mental and physical toughness and for their resilience? My point is that context really does matter. And, they need to be honest with themselves and with the public. Truth goes a long way. 
    In closing, the name of the Edmonton Eskimos is not objectionable to me. This does not mean they should keep the name. But, I think the discussion should be around how the Inuk people feel about it. Some might feel pride. Some might feel hurt. Either way, that is the group that should be consulted. 
    My opinion is that the discussion is important, but that we should not knee-jerk react because someone tells me that others are offended without hearing from the supposed "offended" group, and I do see a lot of that happening. When North Dakota looked at the "Fighting Sioux" nickname, they actually talked with the 10 Native tribes in the area, and apparently 8 of the 10 were happy with the name and saw it as a sign of respect bestowed on the local indigenous peoples. Two did not share that view, and the name got changed. No one died as a result of the debate either way, so in the end this is not a big world issue.
    My concern is the slippery slope. Does Fighting Irish stereotype a sect of society? Yankee is considered a derogatory term for northern U.S.'ers from the south (or for the U.S. as a whole from foreign nations), but since the North won the Civil War, does it get a pass since the North is not marginalized as the victors? Or because Yankees are seen as mainly white people, and have not been subjected to institutionalized racism, so slang words for them are not deemed offensive? Canadiens either singles out French Canadians, or excludes English-speaking Canadians - either way you are marginalizing one group. Canuck was a Dutch term meant to insult French Canadians I have read somewhere, and it is often used by Americans as a jokingly derogatory term for all Canadians (oh those Yankees!), but if we are in on the joke, does that matter? The UN Human Rights Code describes discrimination based on its effect, and not its intent, so even if no one sees derogatory intent in the nickname "Canuck", even those it would want to disparage, I guess according to the UN that doesn't matter. But how far do we take all this?
    And the last time I checked, Native American groups in the US are fighting for their land and opposing an oil pipeline, and had to deal with systematic extermination from the white settlers, aided by the US Cavalry and cowboys, and that doesn't seem to garner the same concern as the name Fighting Sioux did. Perhaps we can fix the real problems and not get in a twist over the dog and pony show of team nicknames so we look like we are socially woke? I'm not saying "well we can't fix everything, so why fix anything?" and willing to ignore this issue, but let's be grounded in our discussions and not assume what others think, and deign to speak for them. 
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    Blueandgold reacted to TBURGESS in Renaming Sports Teams   
    Not even all the Inuit have a problem with Eskimo or maybe we should start saying the "E" word. A portion of a group of people think that the word that's been used for that group of people for a hundred years or more is now racist. How is that enough for a forced change?
    If your going to use Wikipedia at least tell the whole story. The Eskimos have been the Eskimos since 1949. Formerly known as: The "Esquimaux" 1897 to 1910, the "Elks" in 1922, which is before they joined the CFL. It wasn't just Calgary media who insulted Edmonton. It also Edmonton media insulting Calgary. Eskimo refers to Inuit, Yupik and Aleut so no, they aren't all properly called Inuit. Eskimo is an all encompassing word, like Indian for all the southern tribes. (Note: 'Indian' is now considered racist by some)
    The word Inuit was adopted in 1977. Some Yupik in Alaska and Russia object to being called “Inuit,” which is not a word in their language, but they accept Eskimo. They use the "E" word among themselves like Black folks use the "N" word among themselves. Eskimo supposedly means "Raw Meat Eaters" in Algonquin. What's insulting/degrading in that anyway? I love tartar.
    In short, Eskimo is perfectly fine for a lot of people, including some of those who are called Eskimos.
     
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    Blueandgold reacted to Bomber_fanaddict in Renaming Sports Teams   
    Maybe in 2020. But when the majority of these teams were named it was a different time. I just dont see a point in changing something that's been around for 50+ years. 
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    Blueandgold got a reaction from Bubba Zanetti in Favourite and least favourite Bomber   
    I’m not either, the 01 GC will always live on in infamy and I probably won’t ever get over it. However, he picked fights with Rider fans and coined the Banjo Bowl nickname. That alone removes him from being my least favourite. I’ll have to go with EJ Kuale there. He was awful, committed stupid penalties, tried to justify it and MOS kept him in the lineup. God I didn’t think MOS would make it back then. 

    As far as a favourite is concerned, the obvious ones are Khari, Milt, and Doug Brown. However, my favourites were always Charles Roberts and Mike Sellers. Those were two guys I could never get tired of watching. I wish Roberts had the work ethic and mindset of Milt, he could’ve gone down as the GOAT RB in the CFL if he did. 
     
     
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    Blueandgold reacted to Mark H. in Least favourite non-Bomber   
    Gotta disagree just a bit.  Flutie & Moon absolutely - they were in a class by themselves.
    But Ray and Calvillo were similar in both style of play and effectiveness.  Lots of dink & dunk with the odd medium or long pass mixed in. 
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    Blueandgold got a reaction from Mark H. in Least favourite non-Bomber   
    Add Chip Cox, Diamond Ferri, and Sanchez to the Montreal list for the same reasons... POS guys. 
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    Blueandgold got a reaction from rebusrankin in Least favourite non-Bomber   
    Add Chip Cox, Diamond Ferri, and Sanchez to the Montreal list for the same reasons... POS guys. 
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    Blueandgold got a reaction from Bubba Zanetti in Least favourite non-Bomber   
    Add Chip Cox, Diamond Ferri, and Sanchez to the Montreal list for the same reasons... POS guys. 
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    Blueandgold reacted to Brandon in Favourite Non Bomber   
    I will disagree... I found a lot of Durant's success was him hucking the ball in the air and his receivers making big plays for him.   When the receivers wouldn't make the plays he struggled.    
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    Blueandgold reacted to Mr Dee in 2019-20 CFL Offseason   
    Yep.
    Nope
     
     
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