Dascow

If we lose to Hamilton the season is not over. Heck, if we lose to Hamilton twice and Saskatchewan twice the season is not over. That's just the nature of the CFL. Right now the Bombers are 2 points from being tied for second place and 4 points out of first place. What else do you expect the coach to say? Keep in mind the Bombers were tied with the Lions in the fourth quarter, who are a damn good team playing at home. All Burke is doing is rallying the troops. Let's not over react.

There's going to be a real boom in the economy for poop throwing monkeys.

Firing someone with no replacement is foolish. Sure it's a funny little line, that a monkey throwing poop could do better, but the reality is far different. We need to cultivate the best situation possible for Goltz. Firing the OC with no replacement would not be the best situation for him. Goltz is in a delicate situation right now with his development and creating a circus around him could destroy his confidence. So right now, we would all agree that Crowton is not a very good OC, but the alternative, like poop throwing monkeys, is far worse.

I agree with you, but also why didn't Burke and Crowton talk to him before they made the announcement. Everything gets turned into a circus it seems.

I have seats behind the Bomber bench and so I was able to watch the interaction between the QBs. Pierce looked like he was working well with Goltz through out the game. They were constantly talking and going over things together. Hall would poke his nose in there some times too. When Goltz made a play Pierce was the first to congratulate him coming off the sidelines.

I love the chat during games, although I have only used it after games so far. (Which is still great.)

This place kind of reminds me of going to the cottage. There just seems to be less noise. I'm assuming this place is winterized?

Coincidentally, the 2 best QBs the Bombers have had in the last decade, Glenn and Jones were back-ups on other teams. Let other teams develop the QBs and then when they are a couple of years in take the best one. (Via trade or free agency.)

It's already done. It was done when Elliott and Brink were released. There is no future with Buck and there is no hope of winning a Grey Cup this year, so let's get Goltz all the time he needs. If your going to trade a first rounder for a Calgary QB it better be Mitchell.

A #1 pick for Buck Pierce part II? No thanks.

Understood. It does feel that way, I must admit.

But the "lesser player" that we end up losing will be pretty damn good. It would just be a shame, that's all.

So if he isn't or he can't, who is? If it's not Burke or Crowton, then are you saying it's Mack's call?

And possibly the O-Co as well...

If the Bombers make the play-offs then he will not be let go. Good organizations don't fire their coach or GM mid stream for that reason. Absolutely nothing will be gained by getting rid of him half way through. I don't care what the Bomber's record is. Don't fire the coach or the GM until the season ends and there are suitable replacements. To do anything else would be foolhardy.

As long as they come in after the expansion draft or we might lose one of them.

But....now bear with me because I am a little confused...lol... The Bombers had the first pick, if they wanted it. So, If they put a bid on a player, (Poblah), for a first rounder, then they get him, because they have first pick, but they also go to the back of the line...? So if they bid a second rounder on Laurent as well, they have to hope that no one else bids a second on him, because they are last. The way I believe it happened was, and I could be completely wrong on this , that everyone put a first round bid on Poblah and Winnipeg got him. Then everyone put a second round bid on Laurent but Edmonton got him because they were next in line...I'm I even close?

He hasn't shown that he catches the ball as well as Kolhert either.

I don't think that's how it works. I think that because we took Poblah with our future first round pick, we went to the back of the line. Edmonton was #2 in line that year I believe.

Athletically I don’t see a huge difference between Goltz and Pierce. Clearly Goltz gets the edge because he is younger and has a more solid frame, so to speak, but I don’t think the difference is huge. When Pierce actually runs, with a purpose, he is pretty quick. The problem with Pierce is that he has to reign himself in, or risk an injury. In other words, the biggest difference between the two at this point is that when Goltz does hold on to the ball and gets in a little bit of trouble, he will be willing to take off with it. Goltz, oddly enough, seems to have more pocket awareness in that sense at this point. Another thing that Goltz did last game that Pierce never seems to do any more is, when there doesn’t seem to be anyone open, he scrambles around a bit to give someone a chance to shake free of the defender and then hits the open WR. Based on the last game, the way Goltz plays is much different than the way Pierce has been playing. Goltz is starting his first game ever in the CFL though, so I do expect a sack or two because he isn't quite sure where to go with the ball. I would rather take that though than an interception. I just hope the fans can have patients with him. Will Goltz surprise that Calgary defence? I hope so.

The problem with the release of Elliott is that it was done based on more than on field production. We will see if he amounts to anything in B.C.. It may take a while though for him to get any kind of look playing behind Lulay. (And Thomas DeMarco for that matter.) We don't know yet how Goltz compares to Elliott. Elliott has the playing experience, which gives him the advantage, but Goltz has the raw talent. Before we start comparing Goltz to Elliott, we need to see Goltz play in a game or 2. The same goes for Hall. In 5 years from now we might just all agree that both of them were crap. It's funny how hindsight makes us all experts. I also don't think it's fair to say that none of our QBs on our roster would have made the Lions roster like Elliott did. Until both Goltz and Hall get some playing time under their belt it's not a fair comparison. But, the fact is Elliott is gone and Goltz and Hall remain. If Buck plays like he did, the Bombers have to have more faith in their back-ups like they would have if Elliott or Brink were in. In my opinion Goltz should have been given some playing time against the TiCats. By the third quarter it was very apparent that Buck could not get the job done. I don't care who the back up is, if the #1 QB is playing that poorly, he has to be replaced. It's not like this was a one time thing for Buck. It happens fairly regularly with him. If the Bombers coaching staff have that little faith in Goltz and or Hall, that they can't put them in when Buck is playing that bad, then we are in big trouble. And like I said before, watching the game from the sidelines could help buck see things from a new perspective which would help him going forward.

Except we are not trouble shooting. We know what the problem is. Sticking with your idea of piss poor analogies; The Bombers know the car is out of gas, but instead of filling the tank, they replace the spark plugs, they fill the tires with air and they give it a wash and think that will make the vehicle go.

1. When the other team is putting 8 in the box, you're not going to have a lot of success running the ball. How do you stop other teams from putting 8 in the box? By throwing the ball successfully. 2. When has Buck had the most success throwing the ball? It seems like in every game he has a few drives where he is able to drive down field and score. The rest of the game is 2 and outs, unless a RB or WR makes a spectacular play. Every time the Bombers offence has had some success it has been when Buck is making his reads and getting rid of the ball quick. In the drive against the TiCats in the 4th quarter, that's exactly what he did. However, Buck can't seem to maintain that. He inevitably falls back to his old ways. (If you want to know what his "old ways" are, see Mike's post on page 2.) Obviously there are more problems than just Buck on the offence, but if you are going to deal with the other problems by sitting them, why wouldn't you do the same with Buck? Maybe watching the game from the sideline would give him a better perspective and understanding of the offence.

We can send the universe back into it's natural state if we beat them on Labour Day though...

I really want to see Pierce in there!