the watcher

There's nothing there, except fallacies:
1. You shouldn't need a second or third dose, it's not normal
2. The body is usually able to heal itself
3. The vaccines will permanently change your DNA
 

Good discussion . I've really been pondering on the anti-vax people lately. I actually know alot of them.
One neighbor had fallen into the whole pro-Trump, anti everything, conspiracy crap before Covid so just naturally became anti vax. He seems perfectly okay taking  cancer treatments though. His unvaccinated wife also has a debilitating auto-immune disease.
I know a bright, ambitious business woman who I believe took a real punch in the gut with a business she had just opened prior to Covid. I suspect initially it was a reaction  to having to shut her doors and having reduced clientele  when she was allowed to reopen. She has a close friend who probably heavily influenced her as well.Just a slow slide down the rabbit hole.
I know 2 who I just attribute their decision to a lack of intelligence. 
I know another family that is a really perplexing case. The father is one of the smartest guys I have ever dealt with. His son is a close second. They are incredible business men. Their net worth is hundreds of millions. Their company is on the New York stock exchange. The fathers wife is/ was in hospital with Covid and not doing well the last thing I heard. But they are still anti-vax. I put them down to arrogance.
On a good note there can be change of hearts. The Hutterite colony beside us has decided to vaccinate. I was glad to hear it as they are really good people . Most of the rest that I mentioned will never change.

Good discussion . I've really been pondering on the anti-vax people lately. I actually know alot of them.
One neighbor had fallen into the whole pro-Trump, anti everything, conspiracy crap before Covid so just naturally became anti vax. He seems perfectly okay taking  cancer treatments though. His unvaccinated wife also has a debilitating auto-immune disease.
I know a bright, ambitious business woman who I believe took a real punch in the gut with a business she had just opened prior to Covid. I suspect initially it was a reaction  to having to shut her doors and having reduced clientele  when she was allowed to reopen. She has a close friend who probably heavily influenced her as well.Just a slow slide down the rabbit hole.
I know 2 who I just attribute their decision to a lack of intelligence. 
I know another family that is a really perplexing case. The father is one of the smartest guys I have ever dealt with. His son is a close second. They are incredible business men. Their net worth is hundreds of millions. Their company is on the New York stock exchange. The fathers wife is/ was in hospital with Covid and not doing well the last thing I heard. But they are still anti-vax. I put them down to arrogance.
On a good note there can be change of hearts. The Hutterite colony beside us has decided to vaccinate. I was glad to hear it as they are really good people . Most of the rest that I mentioned will never change.

Good discussion . I've really been pondering on the anti-vax people lately. I actually know alot of them.
One neighbor had fallen into the whole pro-Trump, anti everything, conspiracy crap before Covid so just naturally became anti vax. He seems perfectly okay taking  cancer treatments though. His unvaccinated wife also has a debilitating auto-immune disease.
I know a bright, ambitious business woman who I believe took a real punch in the gut with a business she had just opened prior to Covid. I suspect initially it was a reaction  to having to shut her doors and having reduced clientele  when she was allowed to reopen. She has a close friend who probably heavily influenced her as well.Just a slow slide down the rabbit hole.
I know 2 who I just attribute their decision to a lack of intelligence. 
I know another family that is a really perplexing case. The father is one of the smartest guys I have ever dealt with. His son is a close second. They are incredible business men. Their net worth is hundreds of millions. Their company is on the New York stock exchange. The fathers wife is/ was in hospital with Covid and not doing well the last thing I heard. But they are still anti-vax. I put them down to arrogance.
On a good note there can be change of hearts. The Hutterite colony beside us has decided to vaccinate. I was glad to hear it as they are really good people . Most of the rest that I mentioned will never change.

Good discussion . I've really been pondering on the anti-vax people lately. I actually know alot of them.
One neighbor had fallen into the whole pro-Trump, anti everything, conspiracy crap before Covid so just naturally became anti vax. He seems perfectly okay taking  cancer treatments though. His unvaccinated wife also has a debilitating auto-immune disease.
I know a bright, ambitious business woman who I believe took a real punch in the gut with a business she had just opened prior to Covid. I suspect initially it was a reaction  to having to shut her doors and having reduced clientele  when she was allowed to reopen. She has a close friend who probably heavily influenced her as well.Just a slow slide down the rabbit hole.
I know 2 who I just attribute their decision to a lack of intelligence. 
I know another family that is a really perplexing case. The father is one of the smartest guys I have ever dealt with. His son is a close second. They are incredible business men. Their net worth is hundreds of millions. Their company is on the New York stock exchange. The fathers wife is/ was in hospital with Covid and not doing well the last thing I heard. But they are still anti-vax. I put them down to arrogance.
On a good note there can be change of hearts. The Hutterite colony beside us has decided to vaccinate. I was glad to hear it as they are really good people . Most of the rest that I mentioned will never change.

By the way, can I just say that the discussion on this board is a lifesaver. It is so much more measured than the other looney bin echo chambers on both sides of the argument.

My wife worked as a healthcare aide for 20 years then retired and started doing homecare a few years ago. She now goes into homes where her clients are unmasked. Lots of times there are unmasked visitors there. Some of them aren't vaxed. She gets medical masks and was issued ONE fitted  N95 just in case they answer yes to the usual quizz. Eye drops are a common need of her clients so there is lots of very close contact. She can have a dozen clients in a shift . How the hell this is being allowed is beyond me.

Good for Alford… his story is pretty awesome. Wasn’t playing at all in 2020, lost all of his professional workouts.
CFL all star, Grey Cup champion, and now in the NFL. Great for him! 

That's fair, because the prison system is biased as well.

True. The US justice system is and always has been all about money. If you dont have it off to jail you go. If you do , your sins are forgiven. It's rather ironic that the country that jails more people than any other has a whole segment of their population that are immune.to punishment.
Edit: I just watched " Just Mercy "  and a couple of  Chris Hedges talks on their prison system so I readily admit to having a pretty biased opinion right now.

Those who have made the decision to not be vaccinated have done so on an emotional basis, and emotional decisions do not respond well to logic, even if that logic is well-founded in science and experience. 

Hospitalizations, ICU and deaths are all that matters right now... 

My wife worked as a healthcare aide for 20 years then retired and started doing homecare a few years ago. She now goes into homes where her clients are unmasked. Lots of times there are unmasked visitors there. Some of them aren't vaxed. She gets medical masks and was issued ONE fitted  N95 just in case they answer yes to the usual quizz. Eye drops are a common need of her clients so there is lots of very close contact. She can have a dozen clients in a shift . How the hell this is being allowed is beyond me.

I have no idea what " mandatory vaccines " means. I'd love it if every single person got vaccinated. I'm all for vaccine passports for things like sporting events and restaurants. But you can't force people to get vaccines.You can't hold them down and jab them and you can't deny them the fundamentals of Canadian life.

My wife worked as a healthcare aide for 20 years then retired and started doing homecare a few years ago. She now goes into homes where her clients are unmasked. Lots of times there are unmasked visitors there. Some of them aren't vaxed. She gets medical masks and was issued ONE fitted  N95 just in case they answer yes to the usual quizz. Eye drops are a common need of her clients so there is lots of very close contact. She can have a dozen clients in a shift . How the hell this is being allowed is beyond me.

Stunning numbers . Eventually I think we all get it. I don't know if its avoidable. Hopefully we can string it out enough that if we need hospitalization there will be room. 

Exhibit A: taking unprescribed Ivermectin, acquired by pretending you have horses. 

As Canadians we have rights such a the right to be a stupid pos, but mandatory vaccines are a no go for me get as many vaccinated as possible and impose restrictions of the me me me people. Bottom line healthcare in this country especially in this Province needs to be torn down and rebuilt top to bottom.

I have no idea what " mandatory vaccines " means. I'd love it if every single person got vaccinated. I'm all for vaccine passports for things like sporting events and restaurants. But you can't force people to get vaccines.You can't hold them down and jab them and you can't deny them the fundamentals of Canadian life.

I have no idea what " mandatory vaccines " means. I'd love it if every single person got vaccinated. I'm all for vaccine passports for things like sporting events and restaurants. But you can't force people to get vaccines.You can't hold them down and jab them and you can't deny them the fundamentals of Canadian life.

I don't like it either. I don't want the govt foricng anyone to get a medical procedure they don't want. 
Of course, they should not be free to infect others, which is why I support the govt restrictions. 

As someone who thinks a person who is able but chooses not to get vaccinated is stupid and selfish, I don't like the idea of mandatory vaccination. Taking away privileges, etc, is one thing, but something about forcing a needle into someone's arm makes me uneasy.
Unless I am misunderstanding what they mean by "mandatory". 

Call me harsh but it's one less idiot that has caused the death of gullible people. No  sympathy from me at all. 

Some Journalists need to stop writing 'some claimed without evidence' when it comes to describing their drivel.
Call it drivel, lies, stupidity with absolutely no basis in actual reality. Kind words is not appropriate here. It's killing people.

The longer this pandemic goes on the more people hate the UCP. Everyone of every political stripe.