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when Hamilton first started doing it they always compared it with how Winnipeg would use Goltz... of course then Goltz failed to win more than one game and he's got tire tracks on him and never sees the field.

The concern would be how does a rookie head coach deal with the ex head coach being under him? Is Burke still trying to act like a head coach? The only way this can work is if everyone 100% buys into the roles. personally I'm in favour of just doing a clean sweep and starting fresh but IF everyone is on board 100% then I suppose it could work.

question #1, why the delay on this announcement when everyone knew it was coming a long time ago? question #2 Y U NO FIRE BURKE ALREADY?!?!

Something to the effect of (and I'm paraphrasing): why would I want to go there .. it's where kickers and their careers go to die .. Berry was the coach at the time who rode Westwood out of the league and almost did the the same to Serna, so his comment rings pretty true. He looked like a psych case on the sidelines after a bad kick. Add to it the fact that Canadinns had hard to predict wind and we really should have been a kickers last stop at that time. ahh yes cause Westwood wasn't a washed up old vet at that point and Serna wasn't a below average american kicker...

I'm just saying that Calgarys offence relies on being able to run Cornish, if that gets taken away (as the argos did in the grey cup last year) everything falls apart cause Glenn isn't the guy who is likely to go out there and win it on his own.

I think the GC will come down to Ray > Glenn you mean Cornish vs. the toronto defense right? That's what did them in last year, they couldn't establish the running game.

I wouldn't ever want that fan base to cheer for my team.

Eh I'm not saying that's why the Als lost, just saying that I hate the refs not calling penalties because they don't want to decide the game when in reality not calling penalties is also game deciding. It's not just a problem in the CFL either, happens in all sports.

No one is shocked, just disappointed. You can clearly see that the ref saw it, but he didn't want to throw a flag on a game changing play which is a shame. If it's a penalty call it regardless of when it happens.

more likely Whyte's errant aim decided it than 1 call... whatever. i just hope the Argos smash the Cats for making me watch such a craptacular ESF (and because F the lolCats... but that should go without saying...) here's hoping a week Monday the front page of the sports section bears the headline "Argos lick the *******". EDIT: that shouldn't be censored! i meant the word as a synonym for "cats"... Ray vs. Burris in the playoffs should be a no brainer. One guy can actually perform in the playoffs the other can't. Damned lucky the red "didn't want to decide the game" and kept the flag in his pocket for the ticats. Of course I don't think the Argos are above choking either so who knows...

In the playoffs in poor weather? The hell you say. Guy is such a summer time qb.

Based on the suns you be the boss results I think the ignorant masses could be sold on Burke. Miller already seems to be setting us all up for it by keeping on with the "Joe Mack was worse than Reinbold and Kelly combined" story. I am absolutely terrified that they're going to take the easy way out and keep Walters at GM and Burke at HC and throw all the blame at Joe Macks feet and we'll wind up with another absolutely terrible season and the stadium will be the usual 20000 diehards who always show up but not much more.

If they retain Burke the team will still suck. They will still not be prepared on game day and will still get their asses handed to them week in and week out. Burke is not a good head coach plain and simple and regardless of any talent issues the team may have they will never live up to the potential that they may have with Burke as head coach.

Owens last year was bullshit, shoulda been Ray as the argos nominee then too cause without Ray Owens is not nearly as impressive a player. Ray makes everyone on offence better... but Owens was doing 3K yards before Ray. and his 3 X 3K in a row was/is unprecedented in pro football. I hate giving kick returners awards though. Yeah he had lots of combined yards but kick returning is just cheating really. Didn't like WIlliams and Owens being top contenders just because of the combined yards when so many yards came on kick returns.

....which means we are either strongly considering retaining Burke or an an organization we don't know our arse from our elbow. Both options cause me great concern.

Owens last year was bullshit, shoulda been Ray as the argos nominee then too cause without Ray Owens is not nearly as impressive a player.

Would that completion percentage and TD:INT ratio be as good if he had played more games though? Considering that he sustained it before and after injury yeah I think he would have.

only 2 ints is the real impressive thing, combine that with setting a record for completion % and it's a no brainer to me. Yeah Cornish has a lot of yards but so what, he's not the only guy to get up to that kind of numbers but when was the last time you saw a td:int ratio and completion % like that? The fact that he missed games is the only thing making this close but to me no one was more outstanding than Ray.

cause the numbers he put up were stupidly good. 77% completions, 21 tds and only 2 ints... that's just unreal good.

To me there's no way you don't give MOP to Ray. Yeah he missed games but he was just that kinda good when he played that he was the most outstanding player this year. The numbers he put up were just ridiculous.

some of you have a very low standard for elite or top tier then.

The coaches sent a message alright, the message was "we have no idea what we're doing here" If Goltz pissed them off that much he absolutely should have been released, otherwise you use him in situations where he is the better option. It's just one of many reasons why burke has no business being a head coach. Talks a good game but does nothing to back that up.

The fact that he's always an automatic allstar selection and always shows up in the MOL category for the bombers and the way the commentary always hypes him up the reputation suggests he's a top teir o-lineman. I don't think he is, I think he's a good journeyman player but hardly elite.

Well considering Edmonton fired their coach immediately after the season ended I don't buy any excuses from the Bombers.

You shouldn't need 3-5 weeks to decide to fire Tim Burke, there's a year and a half of evidence showing that he needs to be gone RFN.