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"If you might get sick, stay home."  Great advice.  Where do I find out if I might get sick? lol
 
***Also, people under 50 have died.  If you think "facts" are flaming, well, there is a word for that but Im too polite to use it.  

America badly needs a clean sweep for Dems and they need to maintain power for at least 8-12 years to chase the racist, gun loving morons back into the holes where they belong

Based on worldometers.info stats (compiled from Johns Hopkins and WHO data, and cited by Floyd in an earlier post), your statement that Denmark in a lockdown is doing as bad as Sweden in non-lockdown is wrong. Your next statement that Sweden a week ago had a 3.82% mortality rate is, well I won't say wrong, I prefer to say it's a lie.
As of April 13 -
Sweden: population 10.099 million (#91 in the world), 10,948 cases (19th), 919 deaths (14th), 91 deaths per million pop. (12th), and a mortality rate of 8.4% (deaths/total cases)
Denmark: population 5.792 million (#115 in the world), 6,318 cases (31st), 285 deaths (26th), 41 deaths per million pop. (20th), and a mortality rate of 4.5% (deaths/total cases)
Finland: population 5.540 million (#116 in the world), 3,064 cases (46th), 59 deaths (52nd), 11 deaths per million pop. (48th), and a mortality rate of 1.9% (deaths/total cases)
Norway: population 5.421 million (#119 in the world), 6,551 cases (29th), 134 deaths (34th), 25 deaths per million pop. (27th), and a mortality rate of 2.0% (deaths/total cases)
 
One week ago, Sweden had 477 deaths and 7,206 cases, for a mortality rate of 6.6%
Helps your argument if you don't make stuff up to back your hypothesis.

Beat me to it.....I almost spit my coffee when I saw there was an actual, real-life anti-vaxxer on MBB. I've never seen one in the wild before...

Oh you're an anti-vaxxer too? Let me take you even less seriously. 
Get a brain Moran.

An article from 2012... That's super relevant. And then at the bottom page, the author brings up the "poison" ingredients.

It's like you don't even try. And the fact you continue to play your "bUt ThE fLu" card in this thread is an excellent display of abject ignorance. Yes, the flu is bad. It does its share of damage every single year. WTF does that have to do with COVID-19, though - a completely different and new virus?
There's also no valid argument against getting the flu shot if you're healthy and able to get it. Obviously, there are exceptions who can't get it but that's the importance of herd immunity. The flu shot has proven to work and if more people bothered to get it, instead of listen to idiots who spread misinformation and lies fueled by ignorance and willingness to learn, there would likely be far fewer deaths from influenza every year. Outside of mandatory vaccination, what measures would you like to see against the various flu strains that circle the glove every year? The simple reality is people need to do their part, but many do not - and choose wilfully to do so.
The difference with COVID-19, a novel* coronavirus, is there is no vaccine or other measures available to stop or lessen its lethality. That's why it's been so damaging since it spread globally: we don't have the means to fight it the same way we do other viruses. That's why the experts (doctors, epidemiologists, virologists, etc.) have told us to stay home, distance from others, and avoid travel to minimize that damage and not overwhelm medical infrastructure while slowing the spread. Again, though: people need to do their part and listen.
* novel means new, as in it is a new strain we haven't seen before

So you don't like to read eh? Cause you took nothing that I wrote in my post for your response. This is why you are ignorant. I don't know if it is willful ignorance or simply that you're slow but until such time as you can actually read and understand the arguments being presented pipe down while the grownups are talking.

We have that. It's the Climate Change thread and there's only one denier of reality in it.

give it time. You have this really bad habit of looking for an entire seasons worth for the flu and the very start of a pandemic... AND you are being completely dishonest about it any because our country is taking unprecedented measures to slow the spread of this thing. 
If we all had your attitude towards it you'd damned sure see more than 1 death from Covid in Manitoba (a number which is sadly going to climb). 
And further to that, it's not an either or situation here! each death from Covid is a death that is added onto other deaths. I mean even Trump and his loyal band of idiots have given up this stupid "the flu is worse" argument because it doesn't hold any merit at all. 

I did this already in the CFL thread when you started spouting off words like "hype" and "hyperbole". But here it is again (note that this was written last Saturday night):
Here are numbers from Johns Hopkins’ website, which along with the WHO is a reputable site for accurate reporting (according to medical professionals and health experts who are on the front lines of dealing with this - full disclosure, I am married to one of those health professionals in this Province). Remember a couple of weeks back when Trump said they had 5 cases in the USA and would be at zero by April? Well four days ago they had 9,000 cases and 130 deaths. Three days ago it was 12,000 and 155 or so deaths. Two days ago it jumped to 14,250 and 205 deaths. Yesterday it was 19,000 and 260. As of now it is 25,500 cases and 307 deaths. That progression is the problem. Numbers are artificially low as well since there isn’t full testing yet. So cases are climbing at a rate of around 33% daily now and deaths are jumping at a rate of around 25%. Italy was at 3,000 deaths two days ago and are now at 4,800. That’s a 60% jump in two days. They had 41,000 cases yesterday and 58,000 today. So first of all, spare me the “flu has many more deaths than this in a year” BS. We are basically two weeks into the exponential growth stage. Extrapolate over a year without the “hype and overreaction” of locking down cities and guess where we end up? At a 30% progression rate, in one week from today the US has gone from 25,500 cases to 166,000. Fortunately the US death rate is about 1.3% of all cases, not the global rate of around 3.5-4 %, or Italy’s 8.5%, so we are talking “only” 2,150 dead next week, so yeah a 700% increase in one week. Canada is doing slightly better per capita, but the growth is similar. Or we can all quarantine and hope to slow those numbers.
The video was posted on March 4, as has been pointed out. Of course the numbers were much lower then. What he was saying wasn't wrong on that day, but he was not factoring in the growth of the virus in his answer. Trump was saying in that week that they had 15 cases, soon to be zero, which seems to be the line of thinking you are following. We can see just how completely wrong he was saying that  looking at where we are at today. My point was that the progression, left unchecked by ignoring social distancing recommendations, was going to overwhelm the system. You call it hyperbole to predict this massive influx of cases. Well, let's look at where the numbers have gone since last Saturday night. From Saturday night until last night, we have seen:
Cases jump daily from 25,500 to 36,000 to 52,000 to 69,000 as of Wednesday night (all numbers from Johns Hopkins website if you want the source)
Deaths jump from 307 to 424 to 700 to 932 as of Wednesday night.
So my prediction of a daily 30% increase has held up. These are raw numbers. Not conjecture. Not hyperbole. And this despite people already taking some social distancing measures. The effects of it to flatten the curve won't be seen for a few weeks since the cases are already in the system and you can be symptom-free for a couple of days and have it and spread it. Trump wants to open up the US again in 2 weeks. That will negate any effect to socially distance, and the numbers will keep rising.
If the numbers start to taper off from the 30% daily rate, my guess is that it won't solely be due to the virus slowing down but rather that the testing won't keep up. So if we fall short of the 166,000 cases reported by this coming Saturday night, I'd be more confident saying that it is because they just didn't do testing for every person who actually has it rather than the virus is dying off.
As a comparison, here is the progression in Canada since March 12 up to yesterday:

 
Are you starting to get the picture now?

And a week later the same guy is saying H1N1 was a cakewalk compared to this.  This situation is changing so rapidly, that 3 weeks is a lifetime ago.
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/special/coronavirus/public-has-power-in-fight-against-covid-19-568785772.html

Did you bother to check the date on that video?
That was long before this thing blew up.

Ex-pat Winnipeger, lived seven years on Vancouver Island, and the last 13 years in New Zealand. Starting tomorrow we are moving to our highest alert level for the whole country which means people instructed to stay home, schools closed, all businesses except essential services (e.g. supermarkets, pharmacies, medical services), and major limits on travel. This is expected to last at least four weeks.
I’m a research scientist (non-academic) and we are now all working from home indefinitely, aside from a few exceptions. Our prime minister gave a very encouraging and well-received press conference to the country yesterday outlining what the plan is. Seeing the s***-show that’s going on in certain other countries, it’s really nice being in a country that has a plan, even if it will be a difficult few weeks.

Ex-pat Winnipeger, lived seven years on Vancouver Island, and the last 13 years in New Zealand. Starting tomorrow we are moving to our highest alert level for the whole country which means people instructed to stay home, schools closed, all businesses except essential services (e.g. supermarkets, pharmacies, medical services), and major limits on travel. This is expected to last at least four weeks.
I’m a research scientist (non-academic) and we are now all working from home indefinitely, aside from a few exceptions. Our prime minister gave a very encouraging and well-received press conference to the country yesterday outlining what the plan is. Seeing the s***-show that’s going on in certain other countries, it’s really nice being in a country that has a plan, even if it will be a difficult few weeks.

Ex-pat Winnipeger, lived seven years on Vancouver Island, and the last 13 years in New Zealand. Starting tomorrow we are moving to our highest alert level for the whole country which means people instructed to stay home, schools closed, all businesses except essential services (e.g. supermarkets, pharmacies, medical services), and major limits on travel. This is expected to last at least four weeks.
I’m a research scientist (non-academic) and we are now all working from home indefinitely, aside from a few exceptions. Our prime minister gave a very encouraging and well-received press conference to the country yesterday outlining what the plan is. Seeing the s***-show that’s going on in certain other countries, it’s really nice being in a country that has a plan, even if it will be a difficult few weeks.

Ex-pat Winnipeger, lived seven years on Vancouver Island, and the last 13 years in New Zealand. Starting tomorrow we are moving to our highest alert level for the whole country which means people instructed to stay home, schools closed, all businesses except essential services (e.g. supermarkets, pharmacies, medical services), and major limits on travel. This is expected to last at least four weeks.
I’m a research scientist (non-academic) and we are now all working from home indefinitely, aside from a few exceptions. Our prime minister gave a very encouraging and well-received press conference to the country yesterday outlining what the plan is. Seeing the s***-show that’s going on in certain other countries, it’s really nice being in a country that has a plan, even if it will be a difficult few weeks.

Here are numbers from Johns Hopkins’ website, which along with the WHO is a reputable site for accurate reporting (according to medical professionals and health experts who are on the front lines of dealing with this - full disclosure, I am married to one of those health professionals in this Province). Remember a couple of weeks back when Trump said they had 5 cases in the USA and would be at zero by April? Well four days ago they had 9,000 cases and 130 deaths. Three days ago it was 12,000 and 155 or so deaths. Two days ago it jumped to 14,250 and 205 deaths. Yesterday it was 19,000 and 260. As of now it is 25,500 cases and 307 deaths. That progression is the problem. Numbers are artificially low as well since there isn’t full testing yet. So cases are climbing at a rate of around 33% daily now and deaths are jumping at a rate of around 25%. Italy was at 3,000 deaths two days ago and are now at 4,800. That’s a 60% jump in two days. They had 41,000 cases yesterday and 58,000 today. So first of all, spare me the “flu has many more deaths than this in a year” BS. We are basically two weeks into the exponential growth stage. Extrapolate over a year without the “hype and overreaction” of locking down cities and guess where we end up? At a 30% progression rate, in one week from today the US has gone from 25,500 cases to 166,000. Fortunately the US death rate is about 1.3% of all cases, not the global rate of around 3.5-4 %, or Italy’s 8.5%, so we are talking “only” 2,150 dead next week, so yeah a 700% increase in one week. Canada is doing slightly better per capita, but the growth is similar. Or we can all quarantine and hope to slow those numbers.
And since my spouse is essential services and treating those who have or will get this virus which has no known vaccines, and since the powers that be don’t have or bother to have proper filtered masks for those who test due to short supply, I’ll see your high risk with my family’s own. It is very personal and real to me.  So excuse me if “I. Don’t. Give. You. A. Break.”, f*ck you very much. I don’t need another person who could infect my spouse walking around because they think this is all hype. At the very least, get off these boards and stop downplaying the risk. 
Sorry to everyone else for hijacking the thread. I'll keep my further comments to the COVID-19 thread.

FFS... Now another troll emerges in this sub-forum to spread bullshit misinformation from lousy sources. That's some embarrassing cherry-picking and actually substantiates nothing save your case of DKE.
The Stat News article makes some valid points - I'll give you that. But it's also rife with whataboutism and needless deflection ignoring the reality of the situation, making the author tone deaf. It's also already out of date and the death toll has basically doubled since it was written. Strike 1.
A link from Global Research links, though? That's as bad as NTZ and WUWT... Tinfoil hattery fueled by ignorance, delusion, and conspiracy theory. Not even worth entertaining such junk. FOH with that garbage. (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/global-research/)
Strike 2.
And then a blog... In other words, some random person's opinion that does nothing more than conform to your lame confirmation bias. Strike 3.
Kindly get the **** bent, man. You're part of the problem.

Seriously, get your bogus "other side" crap outta here. 
Downplaying this is how it will spread further. This thing is crazy infectious, and yes the vast majority of people will not have serious issues with it, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take it seriously. It's not bad now, but that's 2 reasons. #1 is the stats are unreliable because a country like China is very much a closed country that won't ever be truthful in order to save face and #2 because in the western world we're still in the early stages of this thing. There has been limited testing and even still you are seeing exponential spread of the thing when it gets here. 
You want to dismiss it and buy into the anti-intellectualism that's not OK because this affects everyone. Yeah the measures to try and limit the spread so that our health care system doesn't get overwhelmed suck for everyone, but as a society we must work together for the common good. 
By your attitude I'm gonna guess you're an OK Boomer. 

This isn't the media. It's science. Not wanting to believe it is simply typical of this era. Reject science because it doesn't conform with what you believe. 

All presidents have blocked life saving tests in order to get reelected. This is common to 88.9% of Presidents. Prove me wrong! 

Interesting logic there - all theories are true, regardless of lack of evidence, and it’s the job of the skeptic to disprove it, not the job of the theorist to justify their theory, it must be inherently accepted unless definitively disproven. So even though the hard data available solidly discredits your 90% claim, unless I can show that the data in existence is ALL the data in existence, you can claim that the speculative and so far undiscovered data would support your assumption, and since I can’t disprove it your hypothesis wins out (the “disprove a negative” approach). 
 
OK, let me dip my toe into that rabbit hole you’d like me to go down. If I heard a rumour that Pigseye likes having sex with barnyard animals - I mean come on, his board name is “Pigseye”, so that’s gotta be a dead giveaway that this guy likes to ride the hog, if you know what I mean - then that hypothesis is inherently true unless you could definitively disprove it. I mean, I’m not saying I have proof Pigseye likes to sodomize razorbacks, I’m just saying there’s no evidence out there that he doesn’t, and so if that rumour was out there, then it’s totally on him to disprove that embarrassing allegation. Because you can only disprove the hypothesis. 
 
So good luck with that one. 

Another post with info from NoTricksZone?

Just ignore that worthless, mouth-breathing loser.

British Writer Pens The Best Description Of Trump I’ve Read
MARCH 8, 2019 ~ MICHAEL STEVENSON   "Someone on Quora asked “Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:   A few things spring to mind.   Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.   Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.   But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.   Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.   And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.   There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.   Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.   And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, **** Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.   He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.   And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.   There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.   So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that: • Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are. • You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.   This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of ****. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.   He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.   And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created? If being a **** was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set." https://thehobbledehoy.com/2019/03/08/british-writer-pens-the-best-description-of-trump-ive-read/?fbclid=IwAR3T9wIeTbT-LM8pYW7lMFvke6Mg40PJie2fNJBJx3YpCbWwxIiD-7DzXsY