Mike

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I think you’re overestimating how much people care. Inside the front office, in the stands, whatever. Tyreek Hill is a serial wife/child abuser, nobody cares. Adrian Peterson beat his kid, nobody cared. Hell, let’s just call it what it is locally - Kenny Lawler likes to mix his alcohol with his car keys and nobody here cares. The ability to produce trumps all in sports.

I don’t know the medical science behind why this may or may not have some injury risk issues tied to it, but if it doesn’t, it seems like a really good idea

Yeah, it’s honestly quite frustrating. The established guys apparently don’t need reps. The new guys all lumped into a massive group not getting enough reps. Nowhere near enough information on anyone.

I don’t know, I seem to remember there were comments being made about how the grind of the longer season was an adjustment for him. That being said, you don’t get demoted for PEDs or drunk driving in Bomberland so I hate to think what he could’ve done.

How are those examples? And even if they are, which I don’t think they are because these guys all won open jobs, not actual competitions with veterans if my memory serves me correctly … then what’s wrong with us doing that more frequently? Even if I’m off on a few of those names (I know Schoen won an open job for sure, as did Alford but maybe Holm/Nichols beat out veterans) then that’s still only what … a handful in 4 years when we have 24 starting positions and we’ve had deteriorating skills (BA, Bighill, Jake) and severe health concerns (Jeffcoat, Kyrie) that would be pretty glaring signs to maybe start looking for the next guys? 
 
Our use of the practice roster and willingness to develop talent has been very poor over the past couple years. I get there’s been a real push for the “win-now”, but we still have to think about developing and finding new players as well
 
One guy we don’t talk about enough is Donald Rutledge. That guy won a job in training camp, came into the regular season like a man on a mission and had some scheme mistakes that ended up costing him his job to a veteran (Alden Darby) and by the end of the season, he had been reduced to a practice roster spot. Guy was named a divisional all-star as a rookie, but we relegated him to a practice roster job by the end of the season instead of letting him work through some growing pains as a rookie (all the while, we had other established veterans working through some performance issues as well) we essentially demoted him, gave him a pay cut and ended up losing him for nothing. To me, whether there are other circumstances or not, he wasn’t given the same leash veterans are and while I get that, there still has to be *some* leash for new guys and it doesn’t really seem like there is. If it was no leash, onto the next new guy, then okay I get it. But it’s so risk adverse. No leash for the new guy, onto the safe veteran move (and yes in this example, I know Darby played well for us but it was obviously a short term thing)

I don’t know, I seem to remember there were comments being made about how the grind of the longer season was an adjustment for him. That being said, you don’t get demoted for PEDs or drunk driving in Bomberland so I hate to think what he could’ve done.

Also just to add on to what I was saying before in my reply to you @Jesse
Are we really going to claim there’s been a competition for some of these roster spots when it comes to the guys on the back end of their careers? Have BA or Biggie even participated in training camp in the past two years? Even Jeffcoat … you could probably count the amount of times he practiced last year on two hands but at least he was effective 

How are those examples? And even if they are, which I don’t think they are because these guys all won open jobs, not actual competitions with veterans if my memory serves me correctly … then what’s wrong with us doing that more frequently? Even if I’m off on a few of those names (I know Schoen won an open job for sure, as did Alford but maybe Holm/Nichols beat out veterans) then that’s still only what … a handful in 4 years when we have 24 starting positions and we’ve had deteriorating skills (BA, Bighill, Jake) and severe health concerns (Jeffcoat, Kyrie) that would be pretty glaring signs to maybe start looking for the next guys? 
 
Our use of the practice roster and willingness to develop talent has been very poor over the past couple years. I get there’s been a real push for the “win-now”, but we still have to think about developing and finding new players as well
 
One guy we don’t talk about enough is Donald Rutledge. That guy won a job in training camp, came into the regular season like a man on a mission and had some scheme mistakes that ended up costing him his job to a veteran (Alden Darby) and by the end of the season, he had been reduced to a practice roster spot. Guy was named a divisional all-star as a rookie, but we relegated him to a practice roster job by the end of the season instead of letting him work through some growing pains as a rookie (all the while, we had other established veterans working through some performance issues as well) we essentially demoted him, gave him a pay cut and ended up losing him for nothing. To me, whether there are other circumstances or not, he wasn’t given the same leash veterans are and while I get that, there still has to be *some* leash for new guys and it doesn’t really seem like there is. If it was no leash, onto the next new guy, then okay I get it. But it’s so risk adverse. No leash for the new guy, onto the safe veteran move (and yes in this example, I know Darby played well for us but it was obviously a short term thing)

How are those examples? And even if they are, which I don’t think they are because these guys all won open jobs, not actual competitions with veterans if my memory serves me correctly … then what’s wrong with us doing that more frequently? Even if I’m off on a few of those names (I know Schoen won an open job for sure, as did Alford but maybe Holm/Nichols beat out veterans) then that’s still only what … a handful in 4 years when we have 24 starting positions and we’ve had deteriorating skills (BA, Bighill, Jake) and severe health concerns (Jeffcoat, Kyrie) that would be pretty glaring signs to maybe start looking for the next guys? 
 
Our use of the practice roster and willingness to develop talent has been very poor over the past couple years. I get there’s been a real push for the “win-now”, but we still have to think about developing and finding new players as well
 
One guy we don’t talk about enough is Donald Rutledge. That guy won a job in training camp, came into the regular season like a man on a mission and had some scheme mistakes that ended up costing him his job to a veteran (Alden Darby) and by the end of the season, he had been reduced to a practice roster spot. Guy was named a divisional all-star as a rookie, but we relegated him to a practice roster job by the end of the season instead of letting him work through some growing pains as a rookie (all the while, we had other established veterans working through some performance issues as well) we essentially demoted him, gave him a pay cut and ended up losing him for nothing. To me, whether there are other circumstances or not, he wasn’t given the same leash veterans are and while I get that, there still has to be *some* leash for new guys and it doesn’t really seem like there is. If it was no leash, onto the next new guy, then okay I get it. But it’s so risk adverse. No leash for the new guy, onto the safe veteran move (and yes in this example, I know Darby played well for us but it was obviously a short term thing)

Also just to add on to what I was saying before in my reply to you @Jesse
Are we really going to claim there’s been a competition for some of these roster spots when it comes to the guys on the back end of their careers? Have BA or Biggie even participated in training camp in the past two years? Even Jeffcoat … you could probably count the amount of times he practiced last year on two hands but at least he was effective 

How are those examples? And even if they are, which I don’t think they are because these guys all won open jobs, not actual competitions with veterans if my memory serves me correctly … then what’s wrong with us doing that more frequently? Even if I’m off on a few of those names (I know Schoen won an open job for sure, as did Alford but maybe Holm/Nichols beat out veterans) then that’s still only what … a handful in 4 years when we have 24 starting positions and we’ve had deteriorating skills (BA, Bighill, Jake) and severe health concerns (Jeffcoat, Kyrie) that would be pretty glaring signs to maybe start looking for the next guys? 
 
Our use of the practice roster and willingness to develop talent has been very poor over the past couple years. I get there’s been a real push for the “win-now”, but we still have to think about developing and finding new players as well
 
One guy we don’t talk about enough is Donald Rutledge. That guy won a job in training camp, came into the regular season like a man on a mission and had some scheme mistakes that ended up costing him his job to a veteran (Alden Darby) and by the end of the season, he had been reduced to a practice roster spot. Guy was named a divisional all-star as a rookie, but we relegated him to a practice roster job by the end of the season instead of letting him work through some growing pains as a rookie (all the while, we had other established veterans working through some performance issues as well) we essentially demoted him, gave him a pay cut and ended up losing him for nothing. To me, whether there are other circumstances or not, he wasn’t given the same leash veterans are and while I get that, there still has to be *some* leash for new guys and it doesn’t really seem like there is. If it was no leash, onto the next new guy, then okay I get it. But it’s so risk adverse. No leash for the new guy, onto the safe veteran move (and yes in this example, I know Darby played well for us but it was obviously a short term thing)

They cut DB Anthony Witherstone and DL Jabari Ellis too 
 
Added DE Taylor Upshaw and DT Devin Adams

Who said anything about our starting Canadians? You really need to stop trying to play devil’s advocate, you are remarkably bad at it.
Let’s take your Bighill point, since I love picking on him anyways. The point some of us are trying to make is that IF our coaching staff were willing to submit to the theory that grooming a replacement for him would be good solid forward planning, building a contingency plan for a potential injury to an older player and just overall good practice since Bighill’s ability has been diminishing for a while … then the result potentially becomes that instead of having to choose between a banged up Bighill and a Shayne Gauthier or Jesse Briggs run of the mill player, we have the potential to insert an impactful player into the lineup at a place of need when the need arises.
Our scouting staff is very, very strong. There’s a reason teams have been trying to poach Danny Mac and Goveia for a few years now and there’s a reason Danny Mac is so secure in his employment that he can just tell everyone “talk to me when you’ll let me stay in Florida nearly full time”
If they’re a strength for us to this degree, I’d like to see us bear some more of the fruit of their labours. The coaching staff in years past just seems to content to allow good to be good enough and I’d prefer we pushed the envelope a bit more to see if we can strike gold the same way we have with Schoen, Nichols and guys like Alford, Holm, etc. It would be nice to see our team doing that even when they don’t have their backs against the wall with an open roster spot.

They cut DB Anthony Witherstone and DL Jabari Ellis too 
 
Added DE Taylor Upshaw and DT Devin Adams

They cut DB Anthony Witherstone and DL Jabari Ellis too 
 
Added DE Taylor Upshaw and DT Devin Adams

This is football to me, not some patriotic circlejerk. I want my football team to do as well as possible and the last couple years, it hasn’t been. That’s it. 
 
You want to support Canadians over everything? Good for you. That’s not the end all be all for me.

Who said anything about our starting Canadians? You really need to stop trying to play devil’s advocate, you are remarkably bad at it.
Let’s take your Bighill point, since I love picking on him anyways. The point some of us are trying to make is that IF our coaching staff were willing to submit to the theory that grooming a replacement for him would be good solid forward planning, building a contingency plan for a potential injury to an older player and just overall good practice since Bighill’s ability has been diminishing for a while … then the result potentially becomes that instead of having to choose between a banged up Bighill and a Shayne Gauthier or Jesse Briggs run of the mill player, we have the potential to insert an impactful player into the lineup at a place of need when the need arises.
Our scouting staff is very, very strong. There’s a reason teams have been trying to poach Danny Mac and Goveia for a few years now and there’s a reason Danny Mac is so secure in his employment that he can just tell everyone “talk to me when you’ll let me stay in Florida nearly full time”
If they’re a strength for us to this degree, I’d like to see us bear some more of the fruit of their labours. The coaching staff in years past just seems to content to allow good to be good enough and I’d prefer we pushed the envelope a bit more to see if we can strike gold the same way we have with Schoen, Nichols and guys like Alford, Holm, etc. It would be nice to see our team doing that even when they don’t have their backs against the wall with an open roster spot.

Disappointing to see the Jets yet again taking the safest route to mediocrity 

Who said anything about our starting Canadians? You really need to stop trying to play devil’s advocate, you are remarkably bad at it.
Let’s take your Bighill point, since I love picking on him anyways. The point some of us are trying to make is that IF our coaching staff were willing to submit to the theory that grooming a replacement for him would be good solid forward planning, building a contingency plan for a potential injury to an older player and just overall good practice since Bighill’s ability has been diminishing for a while … then the result potentially becomes that instead of having to choose between a banged up Bighill and a Shayne Gauthier or Jesse Briggs run of the mill player, we have the potential to insert an impactful player into the lineup at a place of need when the need arises.
Our scouting staff is very, very strong. There’s a reason teams have been trying to poach Danny Mac and Goveia for a few years now and there’s a reason Danny Mac is so secure in his employment that he can just tell everyone “talk to me when you’ll let me stay in Florida nearly full time”
If they’re a strength for us to this degree, I’d like to see us bear some more of the fruit of their labours. The coaching staff in years past just seems to content to allow good to be good enough and I’d prefer we pushed the envelope a bit more to see if we can strike gold the same way we have with Schoen, Nichols and guys like Alford, Holm, etc. It would be nice to see our team doing that even when they don’t have their backs against the wall with an open roster spot.

Who said anything about our starting Canadians? You really need to stop trying to play devil’s advocate, you are remarkably bad at it.
Let’s take your Bighill point, since I love picking on him anyways. The point some of us are trying to make is that IF our coaching staff were willing to submit to the theory that grooming a replacement for him would be good solid forward planning, building a contingency plan for a potential injury to an older player and just overall good practice since Bighill’s ability has been diminishing for a while … then the result potentially becomes that instead of having to choose between a banged up Bighill and a Shayne Gauthier or Jesse Briggs run of the mill player, we have the potential to insert an impactful player into the lineup at a place of need when the need arises.
Our scouting staff is very, very strong. There’s a reason teams have been trying to poach Danny Mac and Goveia for a few years now and there’s a reason Danny Mac is so secure in his employment that he can just tell everyone “talk to me when you’ll let me stay in Florida nearly full time”
If they’re a strength for us to this degree, I’d like to see us bear some more of the fruit of their labours. The coaching staff in years past just seems to content to allow good to be good enough and I’d prefer we pushed the envelope a bit more to see if we can strike gold the same way we have with Schoen, Nichols and guys like Alford, Holm, etc. It would be nice to see our team doing that even when they don’t have their backs against the wall with an open roster spot.

This is football to me, not some patriotic circlejerk. I want my football team to do as well as possible and the last couple years, it hasn’t been. That’s it. 
 
You want to support Canadians over everything? Good for you. That’s not the end all be all for me.

This is football to me, not some patriotic circlejerk. I want my football team to do as well as possible and the last couple years, it hasn’t been. That’s it. 
 
You want to support Canadians over everything? Good for you. That’s not the end all be all for me.

This is football to me, not some patriotic circlejerk. I want my football team to do as well as possible and the last couple years, it hasn’t been. That’s it. 
 
You want to support Canadians over everything? Good for you. That’s not the end all be all for me.