J5V

Problem is the facts are being generated as we go, no one actually knows what the next few months hold in store, everyone is guessing.  My fear is if they moderate restrictions too soon, we  might have to go through this strict isolation stage all over again, which would have an even greater economic impact as people's reserve funds will be diminished even more so.   Any business that relies on discretionary spending is likely to be devastated as consumers are already in financial lock-down and are not anxious to part with any reserves they have accumulated.
Easter coming up this weekend  is a critical test, it could throw a serious spanner into the works if people relax social distancing and insist on congregating en-masse.    I see the East Kootenay region is trying to encourage Albertans to stay the **** away and take their mud-bogging activities elsewhere.  Stay tuned.

There are opinions aplenty many of which were grounded in the relentless barrage of media-hype we've been subjected to for the past few weeks. Talk about blah, blah, blah. So what? I had opinions that went against that flow. Again, so what? Isn't that what discussion forums are for, discussing the facts and having opinions? I won't apologise for having an opinion if that's what you're getting at.
A lot of what I've been opining is grounded in fact although admittedly it hasn't been pounded into our heads by the great media machine.
COVID-19: Approximately 83,149 deaths reported worldwide; 12,911 deaths in the U.S., as of Apr. 8, 2020.
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.
Source: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu

There are opinions aplenty many of which were grounded in the relentless barrage of media-hype we've been subjected to for the past few weeks. Talk about blah, blah, blah. So what? I had opinions that went against that flow. Again, so what? Isn't that what discussion forums are for, discussing the facts and having opinions? I won't apologise for having an opinion if that's what you're getting at.
A lot of what I've been opining is grounded in fact although admittedly it hasn't been pounded into our heads by the great media machine.
COVID-19: Approximately 83,149 deaths reported worldwide; 12,911 deaths in the U.S., as of Apr. 8, 2020.
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.
Source: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu

Man, that was too much like actual work.  😉

Well, just an update on my EI claim from yesterday. It took me an hour & a half of redialing, getting thru, dropped calls after doing so or being told ton call back as they were unable to take my call I actually got into the queue. According to my phone I called back 126 times before getting through. After a 6 hour wait on hold & constantly fretting that my call would be dropped but wasn't I spoke to an actual person who took care of my mistake from yesterday. My claim has been reactivated & I can now do my EI reports. I'm not complaining. I'm just relieved it's all taken care of. 

I told everyone to invest in stock three weeks ago didn't I?  Don't be greedy.
 

Angus Reid would have been lit up on this board for suggesting that hospital admissions will drop and fatality rates will end up below 1% ha
I thought we were shutting down for a minimum of six months... ha

I predicted a mid May scenario for beginning to normalize.  At times that seemed crazy.  But there is a lot of talk of “August” for sports and I think mid May as a beginning to loosen period gives you a clear glide path towards July/August 

Yeah this is a tough one...  was looking at another chart about how the covid death rate for compromised health patients over 70 is about the same as it would be for the whole year - just condensed.  Definitely doesn't diminish the issue but I would like to see healthy v. compromised death rates charted - would be much better to target resources.
I think one of the first things we should have done is address the care home issue - they don't have space to isolate until people die and free up rooms...  even pulling up ATCO trailers for temporary additional space probably reduces the death rate significantly...  It spreads 10x faster in care homes than in the general public.
Almost half of the deaths are linked to care homes - should we not have most of our resources trying to contain that?

It's extremely complicated unfortunately. I heard an example from a physician who said he had a patient who technically died of a heart attack. However, it was due to the Covid virus. The extra stress on the body, anxiety from slowly getting worse etc led to a heart attack. So while it's not Covid that killed him directly, it was still very much involved in his death...so where does he land in the stats? Should he be a covid death? I don't know....but it's not just as black and white as some politicians/media etc (on both sides) make it out to be.

Weird because I read a story that claimed the opposite.  For eample, in New York, their spike in "dead at home" cases during the pandemic which werent being counted as COVID because they werent testing dead bodies.
But I guess there are stories that can support any position, no matter how untrue.

More from the "misinformed" ...
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/april/06/end-the-shutdown-it-s-time-for-resurrection/
"On March 24th, the CDC issued an alert stating that doctors should classify “probable COVID-19” or “likely COVID-19” as Covid-19 deaths. Perhaps that explains the seeming drop-off of pneumonia deaths this year and the simultaneous spike in Covid-19 deaths as some researchers have reported.

The BBC reported last week that, “At present in the US, any death of a Covid-19 patient, no matter what the physician believes to be the direct cause, is counted for public reporting as a Covid-19 death.”

Does that sound like a scientifically sound way of determining how deadly Covid-19 really is?

What is most dangerous is that although this virus will eventually disappear, the assault on our civil liberties is not likely to be reversed. From this point on, whenever local officials, county officials, state governors, or federal bureaucrats decide there is sufficient reason to suspend the Constitution they will not hesitate to do so. Anyone who challenges the suspension of the Constitution “for our own good” will be labeled “unpatriotic” and perhaps even reported to the authorities. We have already seen hotlines springing up across the country for Americans to report other Americans who dare venture outside to enjoy the sun and build up their vitamin D protection against the coronavirus"

spoken by the most misinformed here. 
It is OK to question what you are told, but if it's not backed up with sound logic you're not any more informed, just being a contrarian. 
 

Think of it in something you’re aware of...like how fast J5V pumps out those posts...😏😄

The auto-dialer is quite a weapon. I imagine you could torment the hell out of someone with that thing. Imagine if you could spoof your phone number so it showed a different one each time. Bwahahaha!

You system leeching commie bastard

Two weeks ha?

Not angry at all....did it seem like I was angry?  I guess the people trying to subtly underplay the pandemic is annoying.   In regards to Trudeau, it directly impacts me as my gf is self employed and has had her income drastically reduced.  We know many people in the same situation so as a non-Trudeau supporter, I went from very impressed with him to utterly disappointed in his lies.   We'll see how long it takes them to alter the CERB to actually do what JT claimed it would do from the start.  Fortunately, I continue to work (Im "essential" lol).  Although I have lost money on my side business too.
 
@J5V  you find it amusing when people suffer financially?  Speaks volumes about you.

Sorry, but a good friend of mine here in Ontario knows this gentleman and sent me his video. It looked like something to be shared so I thought I'd post it here. Mark, if you feel it doesn't belong or needs to be moved elsewhere please do what you feel is right. Thanks.

Sorry, but a good friend of mine here in Ontario knows this gentleman and sent me his video. It looked like something to be shared so I thought I'd post it here. Mark, if you feel it doesn't belong or needs to be moved elsewhere please do what you feel is right. Thanks.

I didn't think anyone would be in favor of letting the virus run it's course or for having a vote on it.
Sweden chose this path, doesn't mean all their medical experts are quacks, it's just another approach. 
 

Your logic is that we brush aside 29 flu deaths to 1 coronavirus death because some people get the flu shot? I can do without that logic.
Do you realise how ridiculous what you just said is?
We currently have a 29:1 death ratio, almost exactly the same 29:1 death ratio that we are seeing in Ontario and I expect across the country and maybe the world and for that we are going to:
collapse the world economy the cost of which will be "at least $1 trillion and possibly $2 trillion world-wide" plunge the world into recession/depression cause world wide supply shortages cause world wide panic buying force the layoff of hundreds of millions of workers world wide cause extreme poverty world wide cause world wide stress, anxiety, depression, suicide cause world wide violence, rioting, theft, looting put troops in the streets world wide and our part in it will be to stand idly by and: (courtesy Health Canada)
stay at home unless you have to go to work talk to your employer about working at home if possible avoid all non-essential trips in your community do not gather in groups limit contact with people at higher risk, such as older adults and those in poor health go outside to exercise but stay close to home if you leave your home, always keep a distance of at least 2 arms lengths (approximately 2 metres) from others, and household contacts (people you live with) do not need to distance from each other unless they are sick or have travelled in the last 14 days All this for a death rate that is 1/29th that of the flu. Yes I realise that may change as the flu season ends but talk about a fail at logic.
Even if the coronavirus death toll soars to 30 times what it is now we will only just have reached that of the flu. A flu we were happy to live with before destroying the world we knew over coronavirus. 
 

it's just crazy to me that anyone is concerned about the economy when there's lives at stake. I get that we need to at least keep in mind how the world will operate once this is all over, but right now to be thinking that it's more important to restart the economy than it is to save lives......that is just bonkers.

This is just an opinion,
https://townhall.com/columnists/douglasmackinnon/2020/03/22/should-america-vote-on-letting-covid19-run-its-course-n2565441
but it does raise the issue. 

I believe that the big difference between COVID and the swine flu (referenced in the article) and the seasonal flu is how contagious it is.  The simple fact is that anyone saying that we should go on as normal is not taking into account that COVID is far more contagious than the other flus and has the potential to quickly overwhelm the medical systems.  The only reason it hasn't is because of the measures that have been taken.