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There are other issues with his decision making that have nothing to do with Walters or recruitment. His decision, for example, to refuse to use the DA rule is baffling - like why would you handicap yourself and your team because you don't like a rule?

Valar morghulis

How the heck would you know if the newbies do not have a decent chance to get game experience?

The new gm, has to be authoritative. If that happens, they can force the HC to change and grow. I don't think you can burn it all down and compete next year, or maybe even the following year. Where our franchise is now, I think being a strong steady play off team but not the front runner is good. I don't think the fans who've jumped on board since 19 will stomach a return to the bottom. We have already bleed out from teh bottom up. Most of our front office and half our coaching staff has been replaced. It's really walters and mos at this point that are long term hold overs. Guys like danny don't have a ton of time in the room, and Hall has been semi retired for a long while now.

Could've, even before the cap increase. And even if we didn't want to give him that money, they should've dealt with that situation a lot better than they did. The case one point made me wonder, what would happen if you flipped the popular appologists arguement about guys we dont play/cut? Their claim, why hasn't "X" player gone on to become an allstar else where? Which I've countered many times by saying in league scouting is terrible these days. Look at bridges getting picked up but Dandy hasn't. Where are the allstars that should've developed from the guys we've repeatedly kept around? The guys like Case, Johnson, Bridges, etc. I'm sure plenty would counter with, well walters et al aren't bringing in a high enough level of talent. But why have our back ups given other teams back ups all they could handle while our starters struggle against the other teams starters in pre season? Why are teams going after our imp cast offs, but not our NI cast offs? How is it we have managed to un earth guys like wilson, Wheatfall, Clercius, Vaval(as a KR), Smith/shay, Griffin, Jay person, Tony jones, Cam lawson, and Matthew peterson? That is a lot of young talent from every avenue available that are good contributors, many of whom could do much more for us if we let them. Look at our depth chart. Look at the guys who are Penned in as guarenteed high rep starters who shouldn't be. The Kolas, thomas etc. Then look at the guys we've managed to dig up who are good in the last 2 years. Then look at the remainder of good roster guys (cadwallader to nichols etc). That doesn't leave you with spots for guys to play. No matter who we bring in and what they can do. The guys who've stepped up and excelled, have only done so due to injury. None of those guys came up and took the job of a vet. No one passes a guy above them on the depth chart unless they get hurt or cut. You can't beat a guy ahead of you on the depth chart here. No matter how he or you play. Rant off.

...or maybe it is optimal and this whole thing is completely on Walters and recruitment. I would like to find out as well. don't get me wrong, I do not like his roster game in and game out either. My opinion after seeing numerous guys in spot duty that everyone is clamoring for such as J. Jones etc is that they really would not have any impact at all if played. However, I really do hope I'm wrong. So far this past couple years our depth has looked terrible when they get their chance. However I do agree that doing nothing isn't going to help either. Play the young guys and let's give our depth an extended look, this season was lost last week anyway.

but if the coach is handicapping himself what good is a new GM? I mean you wanna say clean house because after 12 years or whatever it is things are stale a new a direction entirely is warranted sure I'll listen to that, but you can't stick with a coach who refuses to put his best roster on the field when things start falling apart and if you saddle a new gm with that then you're just asking for trouble and said new GM having to fire a coach eventually anyway. start at the bottom and work your way up. players, coordinators, head coach, then GM. That's how you go about assessing the issues.

Herslow

There's dooming and being realistic. No team in the East looks like world beaters right now, but coming off back-to-back losses and starting your back-up QB... who in their last start threw 3 interceptions and had to have the D/ST provide 3 TDs to sneak out a win at home... doesn't install a ton of confidence to be fair

Based on top 2 guys in league...and our best Lawler has 3 games under 30....3 games over 100....and 4 games between 80 and 100...10 tds Demski has 3 games under 30.....2 games over 100....and 3 games between 80 and 100 ...7 tds Hatcher has 0 games under 30....5 games over 100...and 1 game between 80 and 100....4tds for curiosity Schoen had games of in yards 46....29...75...47...58....2 tds....longest play was 27 yards Mitchell had games of in yards 22...7..22..28..6...0 tds...longest of 21 Case had games of in yards 10...0...1 td...and last yr 0...5...0...no td's....he was kept around why?? Sterns had games of in yards 13...36...26...49..14..72..53..27..50...40,,,4 yds....great for the 4th or 5th option behind 3 legit guys pretty sad and lame...I think 285k for Lawler....whatever we payed Schoen and easing him the yr...like 1 to 2 six game stints to start if need would have been the wiser choice

Yep. I think our best chance is by leaning hard into what our secondary did in the 2nd half of last year. Drop every body, play tight as you can on the bottom and blanket the top. Forget blitzing, save for maybe a couple DB blitzes off the edge if you think you can sneak a guy home. Forget a 40 man front. Forget fielding 2lbers. Get all the DBs on, and drop them into cover. Hell, drop WJ back into cover since he's playing pass lanes any way. Bill bellichick used a 2, 1 and empty front a few times. And it worked very well in limited use. Today is that day. If hamilton isn't gonna run, put dbs out and drop every one. You could put WJ, woodbey, and tony jones on the line and drop them each back for a hand full of snaps in the game. Very good chance to get a pick, or force a throw away.

That's one helluva dream!

From his spot on the ground, rolls all the way to the end zone

Imo, it is easier to replace a GM than a HC. Also, the GM is the boss of the HC. The HCs sustained failure to field the best game day rosters for soo long, having lost us GCs, speaks volumes about walters being willing to be Mos boss. If walters isn't able to get his team to do the most basic competitive action, changing coaches won't fix that. In order to fire some one, and remain competitive, you have to have succsession. If we fire walters, and promote Danny, we only need to fill in a scout. If we fire Mos, we have no one on hand to take those reigns and move us forward. i don't see any stellar next man up candidates around the league either. You're basically hoping for a dinwiddie type guy to get fired. Which might not happen at all.

I think HAm matches up really well with our defence and what we try to do...and it's worrisome right now If it becomes a shoot out/track meet...we are done

That's a great point/reminder. You could say that for any position. That's why football is the ultimate team sport. One player falters not only impacts his responsibilities but others as well

You forgot Kola recovering a fumble and running 99 yards for a td. It's not impossible that we make the play-offs if we lose this game, but it becomes very likely if we do. That's why it's a must-win, and not a mathematical elimination game. The worst team in the league is within 2 games of us. Who also happens to be playing BC, 1 game back of us in the west. The other 2 worst teams are playing each other as well. So while we will gain ground on 2 games or hold steady at worst, that will be with the worst teams in the league. If we want to recover this season, we gotta start with this game here. We aren't likely at all to win out, and we aren't going to maybe get back on the right side of the W column next week and control our play off destiny. I think the opposite is true. I don't think we can replicate the out come from our D last week. We've played SSK a ton, it was the home game BJB, we had every intangible headed in our direction to win that game. Vs hamilton, we have'nt played them and when its O vs D, that is a major advantage to the O. They aren't going to run it down our throats, and we aren't going to pressure blm. Man, sucks about Ted. He was such a great, classy guy, football mind, you name it. **** cancer.

He has as many games under 30 yards as he does 100+ yard games, but when he goes off he really goes off. He seems like kind of a **** too. No argument he’s not better than anybody we have though.

exactly....and in the history of footbll...85 percent of time when teams get to this point...it's the HC first...as it cause the least organizational upheaval....its how it goes...Its either clean house...or can coach at end of the season....not mid season....

yeah...i sense that what he saying...and some clamor lets try the guys not on...but he says they no good...yet we havnt seen them for a multi game stretch so we cant really say they not better...but I sure cant be worse...but we will likely never know thomas inefectiveness makes the rest of line suffer....its a tandem unit..Woods played damn good last yr and our defense faltered after he got hurt Adams played just fine this yr...better than KORN..Schmeck and Thomas...but he tales a seay on pine when there is ways to have him and Woods on roster...but we dont J.Jones too...u say he is a ham and egger...hardly true....our best game of yr on defence was a game he played reg reps on defence in rotation You dont know until you know...But Osh refuses to try and find out....just continues trotting out poor choices where it abundantly clear what he is using..and how he using them isnt optimal

If we get no pressure on BLM....he will disect us all night....and with our penchant for coughing up big play and defensive backfield busts...I wish us the best He is better than Old Man Harris...has better receivers....a more well rounded back...and I'd take Milanovich over the SASK OC anyday

wrong...we may blow haha