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Butler

He was an American political influencer. Completely irrelevant to Canadians. Who cares. I’m really not into things that are there to purely divide people so I’ll leave it there. No RIP tho cuz sympathy is ruining the USA.

Not disagreeing. Just saying that no qb could play well behind the OL we have now. It was allowed to happen. One off season with a quality coach like the guy in Vancouver (qbmotion on Instagram) would probably do it. Trevor Harris, Nick Arbuckle & Nathan Rourke all work with the guy...

and watching Wallace last game on fg unit trying to run and cover after the miss....no way dude should have been out there doing that...guy could barely run, and makes sense with a hip injury at 300+ pounds Vibert should have been in as that extra Oline guy...and also is a guy who can play center...could have tossed him in for a few reps to get a look....but nope ZC...finger...ankle...next yr we had Bailey..Demski...Scoen...Biggie...all could run let alone have any explosiveness or ability to cut/break.....3 yrs straight we played hurt guys for no reason

definitely noticed he has to take a bit of a run and almost heave it with all his might to get it downfield....Almost looks like the Faj and how he does similar Where I really have noticed it is on his outs our deeper sideline passes to far side of field...awkward looking now to make those and it's cause he really needs to body English the heck out of it to get it there.... Of he wants to continue his career and evolve a bit as an older passer...he should seriously look into going to some camps, or working with a lot of the coaching now that goes into the new way of teaching passers... Relearn how to create a new base...hip motion and lower body twist to get ball out quick and with velocity He now needs to learn or morph into basically lower body mechanics in his throws...His smarts and experience and if he able to retrain his muscle memory...could squeeze out several more yrs

They won't either. Milt just lost a son so I won't say anything about him. However, I think Osh is a freaking hypocrite saying tht he cares about player safety. Sure... Yeah, like what he did to Schoen this year. The Collaros finger injury in last year's Grey Cup. The injured he started & played in the 2023 Grey Cup. Some, like Biggie, Collaros, Alexander & Demski couldn't run. Osh needs to shut his pie hole when saying that injuries are no one's business but the team & that he cares about player safety because to me he doesn't show it. If the team announced injuries like they used to I believe this kind of bullshit wouldn't happen as questions would be asked as to why an injured player who is supposed to be 6 gamed are still playing.

The ol has hastened Zachs down fall. But if you look at his good games the last two years, he needs to practically run into a throw to get it 30-40 yards down field and it will still end up well short. He can't get the ball out quickly or cleanly either. And if you look at his play off stats here, he had 1 good game and a whole lot of bad games.

No, he's not. That's all I'm going to say. Anyway, I'm not going to be baited into a political argument with you that will no doubt deteriorate. You think the way you please.

He’s irrelevant to Canadians.

I don' think Collaros is asbad as some are saying. Look how terrible our Ol has become. They've virtually withered up & died the past 3 years. We've gone from having the best OL to the worst. All we seem to do is draft & develop for other teams. We've let Michael Couture, Drew Desjarlais, Liam Dobson go to free agency & lost them all. We never look to improve or spend the money on keeping our players after their rookie contracts expire. So, who do we have playing? Kolo, who is the absolute worst starting center in the CFL, a fading Pat Neufeld at Guard, an over the hill 39 year old Stanley Bryant at LT. This seems to be a pattern with our GM. Draft & sign players to cheap rookie deals for 3 years & play them. Then just as they're developing, refuse to pay them what thry're worth & watch them sign elsewhere while Waliers just shrugs his shoulders saying buh bye. It seems that more than just a few players can't leave here fast enough which is strange for a team we've been told has a head coach every player in the CFL wants to play for. The team allowed the OL to regress at OL the past 3 years which makes no sense. Why pay your starter big bucks with a history of concusions so much $$$ then cheap out on thee OL? Basically become negligent in protecting Collaros & Streveler? The way the team is run & the decisions being made are just baffling. Protecting Zach should be Job 1, No qb can survive not getting injured or playing well if the pass pro sucks which it now does.

Nope they are not making any decisions for ZC.

Osh worries about players privacy & refuses to be honest about any player's injury status. Then makes it a game for the media to get any info. Yet doesn't seem to worry about playing them when injured. Makes no sense to me.

I mean they literally just ruined dalton schoen bringing him back repeatedly and continually allowing him to play through re injures. If they said no one time he probably still has a decent future.

Pokey Wilson.

Any comment about this will just unleash a volley of arguments, hate & rhetoric.

Osh says he cares about his players & doesn't like to talk about injuries or make them public. Yet, there he is playing an injured Dalton Schoen with a bad ankle in the 2023 Grey Cup & this season twice after he re-injured his knee. For a head coach so worried about his players health, why are injured players sin the lineup? It's amazing how often this has happened. Look at that 2023 Grey Cup. If he truly cared about his players health he never would have played them, yet he did. Injured players like Jackson Jeffcoat, Zach Collaros, Biggie, Kyrie Wilson & Rasheed Bailey. If he cared so much then why did they play? Sometimes I think the reason Osh is so secretive with player injuries is so he can play these players with no one actually knowing just how badly injured they are. Back in the day, teams would release actual injury reports. If a player had a knee injury, they'd actually say what the injury was & how long they'll be out. I don;t believe that type of information was detrimental to any player. Why should that be so secretive & why would a player feel his privacy has been violated? These players are public figures. They should realize that injuries are news & fans want to know how long players will be out. If they're injured, then tell us th truth. Don't play a stupid song & dance routine with the media & fans. Don't hide behind some bullshit excuse that no one needs to know what the actual injuries are or recovery time. These type of things shouldn't be a secret. Dalton Schoen re-injured his knee in Calgary then tried to gut it out in Regina only to reinjure his knee again is a prime example of that. How can a head coach claiming to be concerned with his player's health turn around & play Schoen with such a severe knee injury like he has??

Milt & people on social media.

Well we haven’t, we don’t, and probably won’t…

I’m forever grateful for the ascent of 2016-18 and kings of the mountain 2019-21… but the last few endings have soured me on the Bombers saying they value the person/player first. When I read O’Shea’s quote from Tait, “But as of anything, any time a guy gets nicked up we are always going to put the player first.” Sadly my first thought was calling BS. I’m sure he thinks and believes this. However, his actions from ZC to Bighill, Bailey, Schoen and many others (even Wallace last game) show that maybe he doesn’t really know what that means… that or the Bombers medical staff is negligent or being overruled.

Seems MBT is coming back for the Als. I doubt he makes much of a difference for them.

We ain't never gonna see that again.

Methinks O'Shea has gotten a bit oversensitive about his well-deserved reputation about fielding injured players.

Its pretty obvious the injury...the extent of...not totally but he got knockedthefukout...and this the 3rd time...we know of this yr that he has been dinged good enough it cause some kind of head trauma...so much they yanked him from 3 games...sat out a game...and who knows if hes been rattled and nobody knew...some of his play this yr he seemed in lala land. And with our penchant of playing guys hurt for them to yank him...must been something significant or gave them cause for concern So Milt stating the obvious about whats maybe best for ZC and his thoughts on it are not out of this world and surely not in the minority..and really didnt warrant the response it got from Osh

Prob be several over .500 currently if we did it..