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One only has to look at how Osh is handling Hogan. He knows the guy has a lot of shortcomings as a coach. That he isn't ready even after a year under fire as OC. He knows the players aren't happy either but that doesn't seem to matter to him. The season for us ended 5 weeks ago. Other teams have announced coaching changes. Here we are still dicking around with the question of whether Hogan will be back or not & not a word fom our hea coach. My gut feeling is the longer this goes on, the chances of Osh keeping him as OC increases. If he was going to change OC, I believe we'd have known it by now. So, Osh says he needs to change the way he coaches but in the end, nothing seems to have changed.

Chris Jones would be so happy that someone FINALLY understands lol Accountability goes like this; First, Wade, 100% responsible. Then Walters, 100% accountable. Next Mos with 100%. Accountability doesn't break down into portions. Its whole or none. Now, in terms of correcting their mistakes, Walters is, imo, 60% to where he needs to be. He needs an excellent free agent period for the first time since probably before the 2021 season. His drafting has turned back around, as has our rookie-level recruiting. Wade is 30%. He has less direct impact, but I think bringing back both Walters and Mos was soft, unless he's really laid down the law and fixed that whole mess of complacency. Mos is 5% the way there. Now, Walters is facing the off-season and the bulk of his work. Which could look like an A plus and be much worse when the season begins. And Mos won't really begin to start till TC. But I haven't seen anything from him that makes me think he will change course and actually correct anything. I hope I am wrong on that, but actions are needed.

Artpoeus was training camp fodder. Kept around because there was no competition. We knew who QB2 & 3 were going to be a year ago.

You hit the nail on the head with this post.

yeah I know even when Helle was in net the team was still struggling

Really hope they’re not rushing this…. We all want Helle back, but he’s not going to cure our horrible defending.

so we could get Helle back tomorrow

There’s an orange turd down south working on that very thing.

You too?

I'm only responsible for good stuff like championships and sold out games. The bad stuff is because of somebody else.

RIP Roger, I knew him back in his days as a Nike sales rep. One of the kindest people I have ever known. https://www.ethicaldeathcare.com/obits/lebleu-roger

I mean at the end of the day, the fans are the owner....so we really have no one but ourselves to blame....for a decade of winning and multiple championships....??

I think whomever is planting their flag in the ground and saying "it's all this guys fault" is incredibly short sighted. I wish I could live in a world where everything was so black and white. To go from where we were at a few short seasons ago to where we are now, multiple guys get to wear the horns. Even acknowledging all of that, we are an organization that's enjoyed an unparalleled level of success (on and off the field) these last several years.

https://www.nhl.com/news/stuart-skinner-brett-kulak-traded-to-pittsburgh-penguins-by-edmonton-oilers-for-tristan-jarry

I think the biggest thing to take away from all the blame being thrown around, is that absolutely nobody here has a ******* clue what's going on behind the scenes. Blame Walters, Blame Osh, Blame Wade, Blame Scouts, Blame the OC, Blame Players.... Nobody really knows and never will. As always, the answer is likely somewhere in the middle... Or, at least, everyone accepts at least a little bit of blame for how it went down.

I think that our new scouting staff is off to a decent start as they have found a few keepers already. You're only going to have so many rookies making an impact (especially with this HC) and they brought in Vavel, Woodbey & Allen this year. If Perkins amounts to anything up here, you can credit Sunderland for that since he's been after him since at least 2019. That said - DB & LB was not our biggest weak spot going so if, during this off-season, they want to focus on getting some stud DL's signed, that'd be much appreciated!

All this hate being heaped on Walters... does anyone else think that he may have been a victim of our less than stellar talent scouts? I mean we lost two maybe three impactful talent scouts since 2019. I feel that may be part of the reason for our lack of talent across the board. Don't get me wrong- KW does deserve a good portion o the blame.

Getting Namestnikov off the 2nd line would be a start. He is way overvalued by this team, for some reason. You can’t have a 2nd line center that is 35% in the face off circle. Especially when he’s only got 8 damn points. It’s insane. I know we don’t have a lot of options, but I’d give Barron a shot there. Perfetti, Barron, Vilardi. At the very least you get a 50% face off guy, and Barron also has 8 points in less games with far less opportunities.

I imagine it was pretty close to this...

I think Hogan went into the Bomber file cabinet and accidentally photo copied Marcel Bellfeuille's playbook by mistake and didn't realize it until game 14 when it was too late to change.

It's possible that nobody actually saw a playbook hahaha bit of both...way too many plays had guys right in same area...or 3/4 of em all in same level

Guys on 3 years are taking advantage of the guaranteed salary in year 3 provision of contracts that came into effect a couple years ago. It's why we couldn't cut ZC this year if we wanted to. He has 250k or something around there guaranteed. A two year contract is just as likely as a one year now if the player is established and paid market value. The one year deals will still be the norm for rookies and upcoming players. Nothing has really changed except the 3 year deals. Wilson on a 3 year deal likely has guaranteed money in year 3. If we cut him in camp this year we have to pay him whatever was guaranteed in year 3.

I am of the same opinion regarding QB. One of Perkins/Elgersma for QB3 and if we have both in camp then let them battle on the pecking order. If we only have one of them then we go after some CFL experience at QB2. I am fairly confident that will not be the case. Perkins is almost certainly destined for QB3 imo. I am highly doubtful we bring back Wilson so QB2 is TBD.