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We did with him and rourke, and maybe a bit faj or vaj. Kyrie was doing it. It was a fairly deep spy though, not right on the line. Thats true, but JY seems to want to blitz more this year. And to be fair, his DB/lb edge packages are reasonably effective.

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I'm hoping that he was rusty and out of rhythm due to the messed-up start to the year. He certainly looked better in pre-season. I mean, with Jackson, yeah, it would just be happening. Overall, I think they are getting to a point where they would have to say you can't do this stuff anymore, Zach. We have to re-fit the system with stuff you can do. But I don't think they would be willing to accept that at this point. Keep in mind, 2023 was really the only hot start to the year for Zach as a blue bomber. These are his first game stats as a bomber. 2021. 18/28 217 2 tds, 292 2 tds, 204 2tds 1int. 243 0/0. 245 1/1. 2023. 354 3tds. 293 2 tds. 191 1int. 177 2tds 1int. 2024. 209 1int. 285 1int. 247. 55 1int. So this year's 179 2 and 2 is kind of on brand for him as a start. We really can't wait a month for him to get going though.

Based on how he played Saturday, I think Zach needs this talk.

I think some of this is caused by his reduced mobility. He doesn't have that escapability gear anymore. Combine that with being one of the most physically battered QBs of his generation, and you get panic in the backfield. He's not late stages matt nichols, but mentally I don't think he has been able to adjust to the fact he cant frequently out run ends any more.

You think this would just be happening now?

I'd say right now Masoli is still a better option then guys like Dolegala or Dom Davis. Not many veteran QB's that a team can sign.

Some athletes just cant look in the mirror and say its over.

You don't really need to spy him if you're not bringing pressure. Send 3, make him find the open rec downfield.

Ya he definitely looks more panicked than he used to. Oline got worse in the middle the last few years and that led to less of a pocket to step up into. Too much getting pushed back into his face. Add to that ZCs age and there’s a decline. He can still move around and throw on the run. That first TD to Schoen was a beauty on the move. Hope the new OC and JJ can take advantage of the things ZC can still do well.

Massoli's only half the qb he used to be. He'll never be a threat as a qb anymore. To me, signing an old guy like that with obvious age & old injury issues just because he's a "veteran" is a waste of money. Could he win the Lions four games if Rourke was out for the season? I highly doubt it. It's better to try to develop a second qb who has potential. Not to say that there's qbs hanging from trees ready to be picked with expanded NFL & now UFL rosters but they're out there. It's still up to the Lions to find one. That's on Ringmaiden & his scouting dept if they can't.

Hopefully Hogan and Jackson sit down with Zach and come up with a solid set of plays that fit his current abilities.

J.Jones would be the active linebacker to us in a quasi spy scheme...Thinking of T.Jones chasing around after Ford already has given me nightmares I dont believe last yr we really did a spy per say did we?

ZC has picked up a bad habit of when getting panicked or pressure starts to get a lil chaotic of just chucking it.....and not away but into trouble....and or for picks And seeing as he is reluctant to run....and reams know it they put the pressure on. He used to able to navigate the pocket more and buy time without running, but last 2 yrs he has seemed to have lost that knack..

yeah Masoli looked capable and not like he needed a walker....

Massoli really isn't anywhere near the qb he used to be. Age & injuries have really caught up to him. I'm surprised BC signed him. Their backup spot now with him is just a waste.

I didn't say he played well, I said he looked healthy. Some folks on here made it out that he was playing like a crippled person with a cane in week 1. He was mobile and he had no issues throwing the ball quickly. Physically he looked decent to me.

Bottom line: QB play was better last week

Roster wise, yeah idk. Think it likely depends on injuries and if wj gets suspended.

Agreed. Vanterpool did come out of camp starting at that position. We shall see how things unfold.

Lets see what happens 2 weeks in a row.

I meant roster changes but what you say makes sense.