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The game Griffin went to SAM...he got a lot of reps actually...and cause no actual stats doesn't mean he was ineffective...maybe they ran at and targeted elsewhere Plus he was key block on both vaval tds too...Adams as well was key in the one

Didnt blame it on defense...but they didnt do anything either to reclaim the game...they weren't gouged to death...but also didnt do anything to change the narrative either... Exactly...3 phase game and our 3 phases were blahh And why talked about a championship team 6 yrs ago...has zero bearing on today save for the fact we have a lit of guys still from that team that outlived their usefulness yrs ago Yup...2/3rds thru...this team doesn't have it...so stumbling thru rest of season as is...kinda pointless...get jump on 2026 now

Due to his lack of experience (sic)

Alden Darby for one, Marquis Bridges just this year. I'm not going to go through every depth chart ever but to say it's never happened is an exaggeration. Rarely happen? Sure. When you are winning 80% of the games you play coaches tend to like to stay with the same lineup. Give me a list of players around the league in the past 2 years that were replaced by teams with winning records mid season not due to injury. You won't find many because it is generally an act of desperation to do so. It rarely works out well. Unless a player is jumping off the page behind a vet they are unlikely to unseat that healthy vet unless that healthy vet has been struggling badly and even then 99% of coaches will still give that vet adequate time to turn it around. That's not something unique to MOS. That is the modus operandi of most coaches, and especially coaches who have poor depth behind their starters. Change for the sake of change almost never works out well.

Holm replaced Parker who was hurt...who essentially was filling a void When kramdi was handed sam...he wasn't a rookie...and really wasn't best option either

Yep, it's rebuild time on a big level and might as well start the airlift now and at least get some looks at guys for next year. Although I think our management and coaching staffs may be done for after this fiasco anyway.

Most of the guys turning up braced is mcl issues...you can play through that and it generally never requires surgery Who...when? I don't recall it with a player released of significance... Only when guys left and there was a void/opening..or we had injury I honestly can't think of an instance where a tenured vet with us..was cut for a rookie.

We suck and without a starting calibre QB it won't get better.

Who cares about five straight grey cups, we ******* suck this year to a pathetic degree

2nd 3 game losing streak of the year. Bcs win last night pulled them into a tie with us for the last spot in the west (we own the tie breaker) and bc has calgary next week. If edmonton beats toronto they would also pull into a tie with us. We’ve sure put our self in a bad position this year.

Or the last two.

I think what no one can get around no matter how they explain it away that staying status quo with this edition of our WBB gets exactly what we’re getting now. We’re 13 games into the season, we’re well past the ‘we’re working out the kinks, working thru the adversity, stay the course’.

For what we're getting from Jones and Wilson we could easily swap one position to Canadian and use Americans else where... and j.jones may have lost his job i Toronto (injury related if I recall), but Tony Jones lost his job in edmonton to a rookie so why bring that up? The point is status quo isn't doing anything, time to see what else we have and if it's better great if not then keep looking.

Tell us brother. Osh and Walters both gotta go?

Not making plays is what got J. Jones his ticket out of Toronto. If you are rebuilding a team do you mess with the one position group that has played decent football? There is some kind of myth around here that we are not playing our best IMPs and that we are ignoring high calibre starters just sitting on our depth chart. That isn't the case. However, I can agree we need to try something to spark our team and shake things up, but putting lesser talent out at the one position group that is actually holding it's own is kind of backwards thinking. If we must mess with the roster let's do it at the position groupings we are sucking at which is quite extensive this year.

Linebackers isn't a problem, but it's not an answer either. They make tackles but they don't make many plays.

We know what J. Jones did in an entirely different D Scheme. However, saying he is better than T. Jones is not a given. T. Jones has been playing some good football for us, as has Kyrie Wilson. Our LBing is not our problem. Changes need to be made but I think we need to make the right changes. Change for the sake of change does not make us better it just makes us different. We need upgrades at receiver, OL, DL, and secondary although that is kind of due to injury. With Collaros out a new QB is in order as well. These are our problems. Agreed. Tony Jones has been one of our better players on D this year and where everyone got this idea that J. Jones is some kind of stud from is baffling? He is literally a guy that played himself out of a job in Toronto.

I think if they had run all game ;they still lose. This team does not have it this year.

That's not what pisses me off, do whatever you want, I get it taking care of himself, his family blah blah blah, fill your boots. You're a professional athlete providing an entertainment service to an audience and should be appropriately compensated. But just the curious human behavioural side of me pops up when a historic amount of cash is put in front of one of you and you have the luxury of waving it off with teams and people pandering to your every need, the guilty part of me would love to see what he would do if the offer was pulled with no other team offering anything. KHL? Take the offer? Retire from hockey? It would be fascinating to watch and yes I know it would never happen, collusion is sort of a bad thing I'm told. 🙂

But we've seen the same story play out for many games now. Giving the lions share of DL reps to guys way over 30 without much rest does that to them. It's like clockwork and totally expected. Bombers dominated with a heavy rotation on DL to wear teams out in 2019 onwards and everyone copied them. Now we're getting whooped with the blueprint that used to be the pride of this team. Watching the Hamilton back run untouched up the middle while Jake is huffing and puffing and kornelson is barely even a bystander on the play... sad. Also, we have no playermakers on defense. Tony Jones is making a lot of tackles, but no plays. Dbs aren't making plays, defensive line isn't making plays... I've got a lot to say about the offense too but we can't ignore the fact that the defense needs work too, just less work.

Which game was that? Jones has zero total defensive plays this season. But I guess being out there for a few snaps or even just on the sideline in gear had a huge effect.

Jones played WIL primarily for Argos and lost his job by October in 2 of his 3 seasons there (earlier last year, came back as an injury replacement for a couple games), wasn't re-signed. Looking at guys like that as being some kind of solution to a big problem is just a coping mechanism. He's another average body out there as an American player in this league. Not a difference maker, and we saw that when he was an Argo.

Team Win Team Game Team Loss Team Game No where being a football expert like some here but if you are consistently losing the lines of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, you usually lose, no?

Not sure about Kramdi but Holm certainly didn't beat anybody out - it was an injury that got him pencilled in as a starter. In his case, he didn't start until September 17th in 2022. Hallett and Taylor got hurt the week before, in the Banjo Bowl so Holm got bumped up (BA came off the IR as the other replacement).

I remember Darby falling off the cliff that year and everyone wanted him off the roster. I think Rutledge hit a wall or something and he was a surprise mid-season cut as well. I can’t remember which one Kramdi replaced either. I don’t mind Kramdi at all honestly, he’s serviceable, but to me more of a complimentary piece. I think the biggest problem on D is lacking any major impact player. It’s a bunch of lunchpail guys and 2-3 liabilities. That’s where I think we need to test out Connor Shay for one, he should at least be able to show flashes at this point. Jonathan Jones also isn’t an unknown, we know the guy can play MLB as well or better than what we have, we saw it when he was an Argo.