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Did ZC lead us tho to 5 cups...or was he the QB of the team that went to 5? Not trying to be a nit picker here but sure he solidified the QB spot but several of the cup appearances were more due to other factors and the ones we won he was average at best...and when we had roster issues and a much weaker defensive front and decided to play injured guys...he didnt drag us to victory either...so I kinda on the fence as him being anything over 450k at this point

No kidding. I don't think teams ruin a lot of guys. The high level NCAA guys are already running their own show. Most of the decent U Sports guys these days are too. Anyone going to even that level is taking charge of their own development when they are 14-15. They know how to train themselves and their technical abilities are pretty baked in. Nobody at a club level is practicing in a way that's going change that in this era. You're mostly getting set to play games, not playing around with mechanics. People can complain about opportunity but no one with undeniable ability was ever denied at that position. Everyone is dying for consistently average QB play. There's no other position where you get a chance to develop like that in football, other than maybe Canadian OL in this league. We're splitting hairs on guys who really aren't at the level of the guys who are franchise QB's because we maybe saw a flash that made us hope the guy was something he wasn't. I think a lot of teams see some redeeming quality that allows them to overlook severe flaws in potential quarterbacks. Like Alex Brink not being able to pass the ball yet spending like 4 years here as QB in waiting. People would be shocked at how even at pretty high levels coaches are still in awe of guys who are throwers with no passing ability. Like people in our city making a living training QB's and sometimes other football players who get themselves involved in provincial teams and cannot evaluate them at all...even in the scenario of "we play games next month, who of the 4 QB's that we've just repped and worked with for 6 weeks is the best at moving the offense we've installed." Or totally blinded by an athlete who can't pass with any accuracy. Draw up a lot of plays for what you could do off RPO looks but no matter what you draw the guy can't pass well enough to execute anything accurately and consistently. Reads are a huge thing, arguably THE huge thing, get on same page with receivers, do things at speed. Even if you can put it on a spot 70 yards away, doesn't matter if you can't make a decision on time. That was a big Lapo flaw back to the CFL. If a QB can't attack at all 3 levels as a passer they really can't run a good CFL offense. Everything else will simply be adjusted to over a season by other good teams. Sure you can catch someone lacking and have your QB run for 170 yards sometime, but it's not happening every week.

Yup. That's why the CFL explicitly banned them when we played MTL in the 2023 GC. Didn't want their fans bringing them and ruining the game for the biggest tv audience of the season.

Correct. Last conference final win: June 1, 2006. 😬

Brown took big steps forward from his first game action (where he was brutal) to the next camp. I mean he took leaps and bounds at every step too. I’m also not sure he’s a product of our development at all. We get credit for giving him time and having patience for sure. But I think he developed through his own work. I think he would’ve developed most places if he got to stick around. I think it’s very arguable that many successful QBs across all levels develop due to their own work ethic and intangibles. I think far more teams ruin QBs than ever actually develop guys.

That’s one of the biggest hurdles to developing QBs. You can only do so much with out sacrificing games. Some guys hit that point of diminishing returns faster or slower. But they all hit it and you never know how far they will go after. Teams gotta be smart with trash time and use it like the high value time it is, for back ups. Yeah, move just doesn’t make much sense. I believe we could wave him before the season say next year and save that money still, what ever isn’t guaranteed. But this move shows we won’t move off him as long as he’s willing to play, even if he can’t get it done any more.

How did Dru Brown develop? 4th string for a year, time share backup with Prukop in 22, then established #2 in 23. Starts 3 games in 3 seasons.

100%. I hated it soo much. Two idjits using mechanical/pneumatic horns as close to the mic’s as possible. Making it about them self and making the tv experience terrible. If a big chunk of the crowd was doing it with the horns you blow in then I’d say credit to them and live with it.

Thank god, it really ruined the experience watching on tv. I couldn't imagine how annoying it would be in person.

How does these guys develop and get real game time sitting on the PR or playing 3rd string. I would of rather they play out the contract this year and if he returns to form then pay him big at the end of the season. I'm anticipating that next year these boards will be pissed that they gave away a large chunk of money to a broken QB who is no longer worth the money.

I think this start is that big shot for him, the guys who stick around and make the next camp seem to get this shot. I do think he’s a long shot to make the ar. I think sterns is a real sleeper to stick and make a niche for him self. I think white is gonna win the spot if he stays healthy. Hes so much in the mold we like.

yep. https://3downnation.com/2025/05/23/silence-at-last-montreal-alouettes-ban-air-horns-for-2025-season/ About time. Sounds like the cfl put their foot down and are holding the ALs responsible to the standard held across the league.

Quantum field theory?

Yah, I doubt Zach's agent is going to agree to a massive pay cut after he's led the Bombers to the Grey Cup 5 years running and elite QB pay is still $500k+ and potentially headed up. It's not like he's failed to produce winning seasons like BLM did for a few years before he accepted a substantial chop in pay.

I'd be pretty surprised if Wheatfall made the opening roster, barring injuries. D Mitchell is kind of the speed element at all levels and screen game, kind of your Lawler replacement. Wheatfall hasn't really looked good on anything but a couple verticals, and really hasn't finished a ton of plays. Could be a 2nd year breakout candidate I guess but just don't see a spot for him to get on Game 1. He'd be a PR guy again if he doesn't get beat out by someone who looks like a better fit. To me White Jr and Stearns are in a battle for the 3rd slot position. Maybe can get both on if Stearns can return. If White is in good health I could see him and Schoen (if he's healthy too) being devastating targets down the middle.

In 2022

When reading this kind of makes me feel better with our 8 or 9 consecutive game losing streak on road playoff games.

Qft.

Obviously means Streveler ain’t the guy and Wilson and the other kid ain’t ready. If nothing else Zach is a starting QB in the cfl, the starter of the team who has been to 5 straight cup finals now. Reality is he’s better than everyone else we have and a year extra ain’t gonna change things. Should have would have could have but didn’t. And here we are today. Zach is the best QB on the roster. You don’t move on if you don’t have the next guy ready. The next guy isn’t Streveler. It’s Wilson Chase A or Elgersma.

It’d take a lot for me to say he’s earned more than 400k even at this point. Im worried about strevy from what I’ve seen. But pre season performance is worth 10x more than camp. So hopefully he has a good pre season. Similarly, zachs camp could evaporate with live rounds and hits. I’ve got that familiar sinking feeling when it comes to roster management out of this camp. The big saving grace this year is going to be the young athletic depth we’ve amassed. We should’ve moved off Zach with brown. At this point I think we will run with zach till he physically can’t lace em up any more or quits.

Carolina down 2 0 to Florida. Carolina has now lost their last 14 Eastern Conference Finals games including the last 6 in a row to Florida

I believe I read on 3D that it was for $550k

We might have used a bunch of the extended salary cap to front load two years for him so he’d be dirt cheap next year and after. Still wouldn’t love that move, but I could see some logic to it. Especially since they are married to Zach. (Who has had a really good camp)

450 should be his ceiling now...that and no big upfront money and he has to prove he is clearly head and shoulders the best QB in town...not given the job based on yrs past...especially if he does the big choke...again Yup...case of us resting on laurels and complacency again...not earned but given. Lets say this yr...Strev lights it up in first game...Zc struggles in next...Strev comes in and commands things again...happens throughout first 3rd of season?? What's the smart coach do...what does Osh do? I think talk of extension should been talked about..but let first 3rd...even half the season play out first to see if it is the smart move...no rush whatsoever to extension now...he ain't t at risk going anywhere until feb 2026 Considering a ton was guaranteed and a big portion up front

As a player..and speaking from being in the room and the inner circle, moral is deteriorated more by guys who should and could be playing being bypassed for an aged vet who clearly isn't better...or a coach's favorite...players also talk and will flat out say to others..don't go to team A for this...don't go to team B for that... Players in the room know who should play and won't voice it publicly or to a writer...as it's a fast ticket out of town or in the dog house...but to trusted colleagues...that's a different story