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yeah...Our backups and potential upside guys were actually faring very well vs BC's offensive starters...and were up 10-3 Our scrubs and draft picks were hosed by BC's scrubs and draftee's.... Ball is ball regardless of who it is against....Heck a lot of our "starters" didnt play at all in pre-season really, so who knows how they would have fared vs scrubs and TCF...But all made the club from the tub. Some say Elsbury is the answer at center but he didnt overall impress and as an Import that would make you have to switch your ratio, and likely play inadequate Canadian receivers, and even worse as their backup...That import center has to be exceptional at worst...Did Eli even polay any center in Pre-season to play himself outta the starting lineup? Also...Come the real game time Elsbury will be seeing legit schemes and likely stuff he has never faced, not the vanilla he saw in pre-season...is he gonna be able to make the proper calls?...or is he gonna flub a bunch of them and risk ZC getting eviscerated in the process??...

Up next is the classic, the first month of the season is an extended pre-season. Seriously though, My expectations for the offence starting the year are looooooooooow. Zach threw what 4 attempts in preseason? I don't think we had any success running the ball till like the 4th quarter of the games with MCI in. Health of Eli, Wilson, and Demski up in the air. And we sure look to be starting 3 NI wrs.

booch...ever single guy you listed outside of Augustine (And even him to a degree) have had little to no impact in this league. And even then, all of those guys were not TC cuts as rookies. They all got on to this Coaching staffs team, got opportunities to become something and they all did nothing with those opportunities. Hamilton had a better record sure...they also played Ott more and watched the GC right next the Bombers. Likewise, I'm not saying I like all the cuts. But what we see in pre-season games doesn't = all stars even if all star plays were made during those games. I'm blown away by people talking about that rookie draft pick who scored as if he's some miracle worker...any one of us could have scored there. It was a busted coverage. His 2nd TD was solid, but again...against a Rookie in what looked like man coverage. Not exactly an amazing play in my books. And to have some on here declaring a 3rd place finish or worse because of what happened? Lol...it's pre-season. A ****** rifle caught 2 passes, should he be on the team too? lol. People need to chill out. They went 1-4 in preseason games during the last 2 championship season.

Hed be pretty good, if it was a different era where every team was running 15-20 times at minimum. He can't pass rush and can't handle any coverage assignment.

To be fair the backups played BCs starters for the first couple of drives and kept the reigning MOP out of the endzone and held the best WR to what 1 catch? Then the bc backups came in along with bomber 3rd stringers/rifles/just flat out cuts.

currently Ham has Augustine..Wheatfall...Fox...Hubert...Myron Mitchell of all people on their roster...all guys we cut adrift and rally have not adequately replaced another interior DT and WR...As one example also had Garbutt but he got hurt...still isnt 100 percent an I think out of football at moment. So teams find value and use in our cast offs....and ironically Ham had a better record than us, so the excuse some use that this team..or that team is garbage doesnt hold weight. Not saying all are world beaters, but all were solid and its a collective effort in the end as well.. I like a lot of what we kept.. I said if you look back I think they will keep, or should keep Mazzccua as there something there..As well as Fletcher who is multi versatile and Reese who has best get off, and were smart keeps....Sure we have a log jam of LB's....but we also have 2 long in tooth and only really need one, so keeping another younger one to develop would been the smart choice. Singer was best of a bad group of WR recruits and serves multiple roles so again a smart choice but if this plan of starting 3 Canadians is real then keeping him...Womack...and Fredrickson around but seems redundant and a waste of PR space when there zero chance to get on roster, while we have really only 3 canadians worthy of being actual starters....keep one import and load your PR with defensive guys with serious upside with the other 2 spots

I can see your votes. As long as you didn't get the error the first time you voted. I'm the only one who can see who voted for what.

Having only 3 games opening week is a dumb move. @Rich I voted...but it's telling me I don't have permission to vote in this poll, or see the poll results.

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I mean I guess...unless you take what Clinton said about that play in the post game as truth. "I saw something brown in the air and jumped at it". Rookies/scrubs playing against each other absolutely play in to it. You think that that wide open TD from the draft pick the Bombers obviously fumbled, wasn't a busted coverage? Rookies playing rookies can make average players look like world beaters. We can say all we want about pre-season play...but if Clinton is constantly making the same mistakes in practice day in and day out should Younger ignore that because he picked off a back up QB in the preseason game? I'm just using Clinton as an example....practice reps absolutely mean something when it comes to understanding the scheme. And showing coaches you can be trusted to be where you're supposed to be. There were multiple plays last game where guys where obviously in the wrong area (because a WR was wide open, or there would just be 2 defenders doing the same thing about 3 yards apart). This happens every year. People ***** and moan about pre-season cuts and how well they played against other teams 3rd stringers. And those cuts eventually join other teams and become absolute all-stars....except they don't....they're usually never heard from again. Sure other teams have guys they're invested in and want to bring in etc etc...but if these guys were such Pre-season masters and obvious heros, they should absolutely show up somewhere again right? Like Lawler....or Grant...But that just doesn't happen as much as some want to pretend it does.

yeah...we have an aging core...we let a lot of young promise walk tho...and we need to change that. I not saying dump all yhour vets, but many canbe replaced by younger guys with upside and more skill, and not hurt you in the least outside of Clercius/Demski/Neild he is the best backup Canadian as he can play inside...outside...return...run jet sweep we go 3 national recievers...we have the worst group in league again...especially if one of Demski or Neild goes down...Clercius is already hurt, and there no guarantee Demski goes injury free...heck he didnt even make it outta camp with zero contact. Add to that the fact we know damn well Osh will play a hampered/injured Demski who will offer minimal results as well...we\'ve seen it before so not a make believe story to trash Osh....

well...they kind of are. Nothing in "practice" can really separate anyone from one another. Game reps vs real bullets and schemes and tendencies you haven't seen for weeks over and over show a lot....Just look at Clintons pick six...realized what Sask was doing, from watching and Ipad and adjusted his drop to basically bait that int...Jones cant drop in the right area to save his life...and if he did and made that pick...he wouldnt have hit paydirt. Rookies and scrubs playing against other teams similar players is irrelevant...If you are a ball and can...and do make plays...you will also surrounded by the returning vets when the real games come...especially on defense in the CFL....Offense is a bit different and the nuances...waggle...accounting for the extra defender take time...Defense for most part you can step right on, save for maybe halfback...This fallacy you need to have 1..2 yrs of seasoning is crap...if you can play...you can play

Couldn't agree more. I hope this 3 NAT receiving group works because it doesn't look great to me.

Many holes in his game....He is a good depth/rotational piece but he is not a top full time MLB in the league We really needed to keep only one of Jones and Wilson and have them as the DA and or Nationalized Canadian, and allow Woodbey/Ayers and a new import rookie the opportunity, along with give Smith and Shay as much work as possible if not one the actual starting spots

Who has been picked up at of our cuts, releases, or guys that we didn't re-sign that suddenly started jumping off the page somewhere else. NOBODY. It is complete fallacy that we have some hidden trove of starters languishing behind our starters. Completely fictional narrative. As bad as our roster management is, some of it is because we haven't added the talent to push some of these veterans out. Munier-Bailey had a job for the taking and just didn't play good enough. Same goes with Randall and others we released that were hyped to no end on this forum. Like it or not, the talent evaluation at MBB is piss poor. It is huberus on our part to sit here and think the one practice session a year, some 4 minute highlight reels, and a couple of read scouting reports makes our opinions on new recruits and backups viable. Our professional scouts, GM, and coaches have a zillion percent more information to work from than we do. If Munier Bailey, or Randall, or whoever gets cut or PRed none of us should be butt hurt about it and start with the same old bitching and moaning about roster mismanagement. We haven't even seen a goddamn roster yet. I don't like going 3 NAT receivers, but if that is what coaching feels it needs to do so that we can have a 3 IMP OL...so be it. They would know better than anyone here. If they see more upside in Gatkuoth then in Munier Bailey, so be it. We can't roster everyone, and we can't convince everyone to spend time on our PR.

Yes we absolutely need Gatkuoth's passport on the DL, like desperately. Munier Bailey and Gatkuoth are not every down DE's. Both fill the same role. There is no world where dressing both of them makes sense unless one is a starter. I agree with your point on DL roster numbers, but it is the interior of our line that needs more bodies to rotate, not DE. Look around the league at the number of 30+ starters on any team. I agree that we are probably needing a roster refresh age wise, but we are not way out of bounds by league standards here.

Pick 'Ems are back this year. How do they work? Each week you pick the winners for all CFL games (including playoffs). You get one point for every correct pick. Whoever has the most points at the end of the year wins a $50 gift certificate at the Bomber store. Picks will be done through the polling system. Polls close at game start of the first game of the week. I will accept picks for games that have not started yet through PMs if you are late getting them in. Picks this week need to be in by 6:30PM Thursday, June 4th If you want an idea of what it takes to win it all, and who your competition might be, here is list of the top winners over the last decade. Quite a few recurring names in there. Google DocsHistorical Pick 'Ems Recods

odd take... while not a superstar, Cobb has been serviceable to solid when he has played... he's certainly a candidate for an upgrade, but not the worst of our depth problems....

Euphoria done TVLineEuphoria Ending At HBO After 3 Seasons - TVLineThe party's over for Euphoria: Sunday's season finale will be a series finale as well, with the HBO drama ending after three seasons.

Who is our “young” core? Demski, White, Brady, Neuf, Bryant, Eli, Broxton, Willie, Ceresna, Jones, Kyrie, Nichols, Moxey, Sergio … all of these guys are closer to the end than the beginning and creeping up in age. I know 30 isn’t what it used to be in sports, but we don’t have a ton of young guys at all. We’ve got a couple.

Ahh, so I see its the time of year when we pretend pre-season games are the be all end all of evaluation.

A special deal for season ticket holders makes it more appealing for sure.

Along the same vein - When I was having my morning coffee earlier today, I was watching the latest Handled Internally podcast that had both ZC and Gabe Wallace on it. Darren Cameron mentioned roughly 7 minutes in that Wade Miller is working on special Bomber season ticket pricing for the DAZN package (details to come at a later date), so that definitely at least made me curious what that will look like when/if that comes to fruition.

I think he's solid for what he is and would be a great depth piece.... but as a starter I think he's a guy you strive to upgrade on, and I think we likely do have some better options on the team already.

Chungh was absolutely the right pick... We were going to take him with our NEXT pick (and I remember that many here, following along live, thought there was a chance we could get Nic with our next pick...) but Taman scooped him. There was a thought that maybe other GMs didn't know as much about Demski, but Taman was still following the Bisons closely and really wanted him... I remember that draft very well.