FrostyWinnipeg Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) 51 minutes ago, JCon said: Vegas is a small town? What? Never mind all the tourists that they have, concentrated is relatively small space near the arena, the Vegas Metropolitan area is close to 2 Million. Yep. City population is done differently down in the USA in some places so it might show up as 613k on Wiki but it's closer to 2 mill. Edited June 15, 2017 by FrostyWinnipeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Sure. But heresay says the ppl who live there dont like going to the strip where the arena is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted June 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 8 hours ago, Goalie said: Sure. But heresay says the ppl who live there dont like going to the strip where the arena is. Im not sure its that they dont go there, its that its a tourist area and they arent tourists. But Im sure they go there for events they want to see. vegas gets 3 milion tourists a month. And I was surprised to learn its actually pretty consistent year round. I always figured it was way up from Spring to Fall and way down in the winter. But its consistent. Now, I dont think hockey is high on the list of most Vegas tourists. But it will become another thing to do. And a lot of tickets will be bought by the casinos to be used as prizes, give aways etc. Between the locals who like hockey (and Vegas has had a decent hockey history) and tourists, I think they will do ok. Even if they dont sell out every game, they likely sell most of the tickets and are financially stable. I think Vegas can work. If the team ends up good at some point, all bets are off as I think it could be like Los Angeles times 100 with the hype in Vegas for a Cup contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 3 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: And a lot of tickets will be bought by the casinos to be used as prizes, give aways etc. That kind of scares me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: That kind of scares me. Why? If the casinos in Vegas are supporting the franchise, isn't that a good thing? Goalie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Just now, blue_gold_84 said: Why? If the casinos in Vegas are supporting the franchise, isn't that a good thing? Cause giving away tickets not necessarily mean people will show up. If you buy a ticket you feel committed to showing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Just now, FrostyWinnipeg said: Cause giving away tickets not necessarily mean people will show up. If you buy a ticket you feel committed to showing up. It still means the ticket was purchased, though. Empty seats never look good, but unsold tickets and empty seats look worse. The Unknown Poster and Goalie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted June 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 1 minute ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: Cause giving away tickets not necessarily mean people will show up. If you buy a ticket you feel committed to showing up. Yes but thats what I mean by the fact that even if the arena isnt sold out, they will make money. That's my guess. But there is enough people in Vegas to make a go of it. They wont have the issue that Arizona did with a very bad location for the arena. The vegas arena is very close to the airport and ofcourse, essentially attached to the strip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 26 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: Cause giving away tickets not necessarily mean people will show up. If you buy a ticket you feel committed to showing up. 25 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said: It still means the ticket was purchased, though. Empty seats never look good, but unsold tickets and empty seats look worse. It means the tickets are being devalued, even if someone is paying for them, the fans are not. One of the struggles that the new Panther ownership mentioned after they took over was getting fans to 'buy' tickets. They had been so used to getting them for free, why bother paying for them? So, the Panthers stopped handing them out for free and faced smaller crowds. But, they believed they were doing what was necessary to change the mindset. The practice free tickets for attractions don't really happen in Vegas anymore. World class entertainment costs money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 43 minutes ago, JCon said: It means the tickets are being devalued, even if someone is paying for them, the fans are not. One of the struggles that the new Panther ownership mentioned after they took over was getting fans to 'buy' tickets. They had been so used to getting them for free, why bother paying for them? So, the Panthers stopped handing them out for free and faced smaller crowds. But, they believed they were doing what was necessary to change the mindset. The practice free tickets for attractions don't really happen in Vegas anymore. World class entertainment costs money. No doubt that's the case. But that's pretty much been the norm in non-hockey markets with NHL franchises for years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 It will be interesting... because I could see lots of people in Winnipeg buying a bundle that sends them to Vegas for 3 days that includes flight, hotel and tickets to the game. Same with other Canadian cities.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHeart Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nhl/predators/2017/06/15/predators-mike-fisher-considering-retirement-after-17-nhl-seasons/395353001/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bustamente Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 5 hours ago, Brandon said: It will be interesting... because I could see lots of people in Winnipeg buying a bundle that sends them to Vegas for 3 days that includes flight, hotel and tickets to the game. Same with other Canadian cities.... I know I'm waiting for the schedule to come out and booking a flight, Vegas and the Jets you bet. FrostyWinnipeg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 So with the Canadian teams, that's 11 - 14 home games. Throw in another 10 - 15 for hardcore American fans in the stronger hockey markets. What about the other half of the home games? What about in 3 - 4 years when Vegas is no longer a novelty and people decide they aren't making the trip every year. It is great Vegas is a destination city, and vacationers will certainly help attendance, but for the franchise to truly be successful, they need to make an impact and get a following locally. Playoff revenue is huge for teams to make money. Lets say the Jets and Knights face each other in a playoff series a number of years down the road. Are a significant number of people going to pay $200+ a ticket here AND travel to see the team in Vegas. Not likely. They are going to need support from the locals. blue_gold_84 and Goalie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Rich said: So with the Canadian teams, that's 11 - 14 home games. Throw in another 10 - 15 for hardcore American fans in the stronger hockey markets. What about the other half of the home games? What about in 3 - 4 years when Vegas is no longer a novelty and people decide they aren't making the trip every year. It is great Vegas is a destination city, and vacationers will certainly help attendance, but for the franchise to truly be successful, they need to make an impact and get a following locally. Playoff revenue is huge for teams to make money. Lets say the Jets and Knights face each other in a playoff series a number of years down the road. Are a significant number of people going to pay $200+ a ticket here AND travel to see the team in Vegas. Not likely. They are going to need support from the locals. All true. But this expansion draft is so heavily weighted towards the Vegas Strippers, that they're bound to do well. Unless of course McPhee manages to screw everything up. They'll get in the playoffs in a few years and be successful in the short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 2 hours ago, bustamente said: I know I'm waiting for the schedule to come out and booking a flight, Vegas and the Jets you bet. MBB road trip? 1 hour ago, Rich said: What about in 3 - 4 years when Vegas is no longer a novelty and people decide they aren't making the trip every year. I bet the VGK did not see Oakland Raiders coming either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pop Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Pretty entertaining thread here... Reddit Hockey's annual Anti-Awards! https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/6iggan/20162017_antiawards_results/?st=j461o3em&sh=36baf37f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted June 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 They absolutely need to be popular among the local community. But I believe Vegas has a good hockey history at the college level. I think they had an outdoor game years ago too. They will do alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Goalie Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 2 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: They absolutely need to be popular among the local community. But I believe Vegas has a good hockey history at the college level. I think they had an outdoor game years ago too. They will do alright. Its all about local support. We will see in a few years. I do think They will be more San Jose than Phoenix. By that i mean i think the locals will support it but... At the same time... Nfl is coming to town so that might take the novelty of the knights away quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 How the hell was Morrissey disappointing...? FrostyWinnipeg, Jimmy Pop and bustamente 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted June 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Maybe there were only 9 rookies lol thats a head scratcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said: How the hell was Morrissey disappointing...? Or Lehner, Pickard. If you were gonna put up a disappointing jets rookie it would be KC. The most disappointing franchise is named after Atlanta? Should be Arizona. Edited June 21, 2017 by FrostyWinnipeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 2 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: Or Lehner, Pickard. If you were gonna put up a disappointing jets rookie it would be KC. The most disappointing franchise is named after Atlanta? Should be Arizona. Atlanta's the only city to have two NHL franchises and lose them both, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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