Ducky Posted August 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, Arnold_Palmer said: I'm sorry but this simply isn't true. Fleury is a nice prospect, but completely un proven. Myers is a great number 3 guy on a decent contract. I would only move him for another polished and proven defender. There's also 7 years left on Staal's deal, I dont want a 40 point centre making 6 million for the next seven years, and losing Petan and Lowry seems pointless. Is an okay #4 if Trouba is playing the left side....if Trouba plays the right side, Myers is our 3rd best RHD with 5.5m of a caphit. We need to lose a D man and I would prefer Enstrom but he has the NMC; thus, we move Myers. If you don't think Fleury pans out and is a bust, you are wrong. He has #1 shutdown D man written all over him. Also, it isn't only the points to consider when talking about a two way center. Staal is 6' 4" and 220 lbs. and one of the best two way centers in the league. How much will Little be making if/when he re-signs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Justify all you want but rhd on good contracts like Myers gets you more than you think. Throwing stafford Lowry and petan in? Why? Do you not like depth? Arnold_Palmer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted August 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Fleury is a blue chip prospect, you have to pay for that. Staal is a great two way center, you have to pay for that also. Staf for the 2nd and Fleury and Staal for Myers, Petan and Lowry is a steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted August 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Let's say we could get Staal for Myers (even though we wouldn't), is Fleury not worth Petan and Lowry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold_Palmer Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 I hate to break it to you, but Staal really isn't that good. His cap hit is terrible. Fleury is a nice prospect but still a prospect non the less. We don't need another centre, and we need a LHD that can play now, especially if we get rid of Myers because i don't think we have a defenseman on our roster that could play the number 4 spot right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted August 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Fleury will be in the NHL before the season is through and are we forgetting the expansion draft. If you think Staal isn't that good, you are losing credibility fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted August 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 You are right, we don't need a center right now but what about the future? Roslovic is the only one in the organization right now that has a chance at 2C and he isn't even guaranteed to play C in the NHL. He might come in as a winger. It would also open up the possibilty of one day trading Little for a top LHD as well. Fleury, Morrissey and someone like Fowler would be nice on theleft side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 (edited) The future? Staal is 27 turning 28. Little is 28 turning 29. Really not much thought put in to this one Ducky plus Carolina is stacked with D. Not a good fit. Myers is worth more than a 28 year old overpaid center that's for sure. Fleury? He's just a prospect... basically at this point a throw in to a trade. Adam Larsson got Taylor Hall. Myers is worth more than Staal and Fleury. Leave Lowry and petan out of it and it's closer but still pointless to do. Edited August 15, 2016 by Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted August 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 Their D has no experience besides Hainsey (last year of deal) and Faulk. Canes RHD besides Faulk... Ryan Murphy 124 games over 3 seasons, Brett Pesce 69 games and Matt Tennyson 60 games over 3 seasons are their RHD. Their left side isn't much better after Hainsey... Slavin 63 games, Hanifin 79 games so, ya, not much experience after faulk and Hainsey and Hainsey is gone after this year. They have plenty of cap space for Myers' 5.5m too. The future? Staal is 27 turning 28. Little is 28 turning 29. What I meant by a 2C for the future is Little is only signed for two more years and Staal is signed for 7. Staal is a great skater and should be the 2C for about 5 more years at a very high level. The lineup could be ... Laine Scheif Ehlers Connor Staal Wheeler Perreault Little Armia Lemieux Copp Dano Fleury- Buff Enstrom- Trouba Morrissey- Postma/Chiarot (I'd trade for Ville Pokka after the expansion draft) Helle Comrie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 Still makes no sense considering little is better than Staal and only a year older. What makes even less sense is talking about our future centers but then trading not 1 but 2 guys who could very well be 3rd and 4th line centers or better in the future... plus myers plus Stafford to Carolina of all places who have a bunch of very good Young D men. Fleury? He's just a prospect. He's worth way less than Myers. Staal for 7 more years? Why. He's not that good plus he's overpaid for what he brings. I wouldn't trade for Staal ..and I highly doubt Chevy would either. Why. I don't get the why. Explain it all you want... it still makes No sense for both the Jets and Hurricanes Arnold_Palmer and JCon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardCoreBlue Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 On 8/14/2016 at 4:09 PM, Ducky said: Let's say we could get Staal for Myers (even though we wouldn't), is Fleury not worth Petan and Lowry? Leave Myers alone. Plus where it really counts is with Chevy. And I can't see him pulling the pin with Myers. Myers has not yet reached his full potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Trouba for Murray... Trouba and Dano for Lindholm... Trouba for Werenski... Trouba and Dano for Parayko... Trouba for Michael Del Zotto and Sanheim... Trouba for Muzzin and a 3rd rounder... Trouba and Dano and Armia for Fleury and Aho... Trouba and Dano and Armia and a 1st for OEL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 I'd be reluctant to trade Dano if at all possible. Of the Dano/Armia/Burmi group, I'd be more likely to trade the other two first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 I wonder if the Jets would be willing to take an older, pricer LHD who can play top four right now...if a prospect with upside was added. Jets have cap space and their ask of a top four, 22 year old LHD is going to be hard to meet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Speculation of the Coyotes being interested. How about Trouba for Chychrun? He'd be protected in the draft too so thats a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said: Speculation of the Coyotes being interested. How about Trouba for Chychrun? He'd be protected in the draft too so thats a bonus. The Coyotes have a lot of interesting prospects and some cap space to make something work. Chychrun being one of them. However, are the Jets ready to wait for Chychrun to grow? Sounds like they want an equal replacement for Trouba... meaning a young, LHD, who's ready for big minutes right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Not near enough.....if they added next year's 1st, I would think about it. If it is an unprotected 1st, I would do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Just now, JCon said: The Coyotes have a lot of interesting prospects and some cap space to make something work. Chychrun being one of them. However, are the Jets ready to wait for Chychrun to grow? Sounds like they want an equal replacement for Trouba... meaning a young, LHD, who's ready for big minutes right now. Probably Chychrun +. Then either the Jets make another deal for an NHL ready D or bite the bullet this year. If they do this trade, they can protect more forwards in the espansion draft and it works out long term. Might be painful this season though. But that makes the LHD Enstrom, Morrissey, Stuart, Strait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Philly might make good trading partners. Goalie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Keep in mind, if the Jets sit him for a year, they still need to protect him. So this isnt going past December 1st, in my opinion. One way or another. Chevy acted very quickly in the Kane situation. So I wouldnt be surprised to see this handled quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Probably Chychrun +. Then either the Jets make another deal for an NHL ready D or bite the bullet this year. If they do this trade, they can protect more forwards in the espansion draft and it works out long term. Might be painful this season though. But that makes the LHD Enstrom, Morrissey, Stuart, Strait. Coyotes may not want anything to do with Overhardt. But I like your thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said: Keep in mind, if the Jets sit him for a year, they still need to protect him. So this isnt going past December 1st, in my opinion. One way or another. Chevy acted very quickly in the Kane situation. So I wouldnt be surprised to see this handled quickly. I don't agree that Chevy acted quickly. Kane asked for a trade every year. It just took an 'incident' and a nice match-up for the Sabres and Jets to come together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 1 minute ago, JCon said: I don't agree that Chevy acted quickly. Kane asked for a trade every year. It just took an 'incident' and a nice match-up for the Sabres and Jets to come together. He acted quickly when the situation boiled over. Brandon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: He acted quickly when the situation boiled over. But took so long that it did boil over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 44 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: How about Trouba for Chychrun? Jacob for Jakob. Makes sense. FrostyWinnipeg and The Unknown Poster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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