Separate thread here as Free Agency is pretty much a week away.

 

An interesting tidbit in recent Free Press article:

 

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/hockey/jets/Burmistrovs-future-big-storyline-for-Jets-at-draft-309360161.html

 

 

 

We’re all dealing with trying to sign RFAs or UFAs and not having a solid number in front of you makes things a little bit difficult, difficult from a signing standpoint and difficult from a player agreeing standpoint. Everyone wants to know what might be available out there for him. We’re entering another unique part of the CBA where you have an interview period which starts on Thursday (where teams can ‘court’ prospective free agents in advance ot the market opening on July 1st). That’s a different phenomenon that we’re all learning the ins and outs from that standpoint. I guess once all things come into play and now you know you’re number, you can really start making your final plans for how you can move forward."

 

So while I know that talks with Frolik have apparently begun to "heat" up, if we don't get a deal done by Thursday he will be able to start getting a feel for what kind of money and term other teams would be willing to give him.

 

Must be the busiest time of the year for GMs with the Draft this weekend and Free Agency soon after.

 

With GMs able to talk to agents on Thursday, and pretty much all agents and GMs being at the draft, I expect a huge flurry of singings July 1st when they can officially submit contracts.

It's time for the armias lipons petans ehlers copps to take over.

Agreed we have to let the youngsters fight to make the team, losing a couple of bottom six players should be easy to replace.

 

 

 

 

 

So Bruins can't afford Hamilton who would have been a $6-6.5 cap hit but then sign Beleskey for 4 per year...  bizarre.

 

Bit surprised Chevy let O'Dell go...  almost no depth now.

 

 

Are you serious with this statement?

 

 

Serious in the sense that Slater, Frolik and ODell were our 'depth' guys last year - all of them filled in when injuries hit

 

I could have said no 'proven' depth...  ODell was borderline but he could play.  After ODell not many call-up options last year.

 

Armia, Copp, Ehlers, Lipon...  lot of question marks - be surprised if Chevy doesn't pick up one or two more, maybe even sign Slater to a 1 year

 

 

O'Dell only managed 11 games with us last year and 30 the year before.  Wouldn't really call that proven either and his NHL games with us was going down not up.  It was pretty obvious he wasn't going to get much more of a chance here to play in the NHL.

 

O'Dell signed a one year 2-way deal with Ottawa, his home team. To me that means they pretty much see him as a fringe NHLer at best, with maybe the feel good story of getting a home town boy into the lineup.

 

 

ODell was injured for a good chunk of last year.

 

Not saying that ODell is the key to a Stanley Cup win...  just saying that Chevy is going all in with his 'draft develop' model

 

Right now, I'd take ODell over Burmistrov... maybe he'll prove me wrong.

 

 

I'd take Burmi over O'Dell every day of the week and twice on Sundays.  Not even a contest.

 

O'Dell is not a loss.  He is a free agent AHLer who signed with his home town team.

 

25 years old and a grand total of 41 NHL games played.

 

 

Like I said, ODell alone, not a big deal - Frolik, Slater, ODell not a big deal to start the season but if two starters go down...

 

Ladd-Little-Stafford

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler

Perrault-Lowry-Burmistrov

Thorburn-Copp-Peluso

Lipon-Armia

 

Pretty sure Chevy signs a couple UFAs

 

 

 

 

 

 

So Bruins can't afford Hamilton who would have been a $6-6.5 cap hit but then sign Beleskey for 4 per year...  bizarre.

 

Bit surprised Chevy let O'Dell go...  almost no depth now.

 

 

Are you serious with this statement?

 

 

Serious in the sense that Slater, Frolik and ODell were our 'depth' guys last year - all of them filled in when injuries hit

 

I could have said no 'proven' depth...  ODell was borderline but he could play.  After ODell not many call-up options last year.

 

Armia, Copp, Ehlers, Lipon...  lot of question marks - be surprised if Chevy doesn't pick up one or two more, maybe even sign Slater to a 1 year

 

 

O'Dell only managed 11 games with us last year and 30 the year before.  Wouldn't really call that proven either and his NHL games with us was going down not up.  It was pretty obvious he wasn't going to get much more of a chance here to play in the NHL.

 

O'Dell signed a one year 2-way deal with Ottawa, his home team. To me that means they pretty much see him as a fringe NHLer at best, with maybe the feel good story of getting a home town boy into the lineup.

 

 

ODell was injured for a good chunk of last year.

 

Not saying that ODell is the key to a Stanley Cup win...  just saying that Chevy is going all in with his 'draft develop' model

 

Right now, I'd take ODell over Burmistrov... maybe he'll prove me wrong.

 

 

I'd take Burmi over O'Dell every day of the week and twice on Sundays.  Not even a contest.

 

O'Dell is not a loss.  He is a free agent AHLer who signed with his home town team.

 

25 years old and a grand total of 41 NHL games played.

 

 

Like I said, ODell alone, not a big deal - Frolik, Slater, ODell not a big deal to start the season but if two starters go down...

 

Ladd-Little-Stafford

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler

Perrault-Lowry-Burmistrov

Thorburn-Copp-Peluso

Lipon-Armia

 

Pretty sure Chevy signs a couple UFAs

 

 

Completely agree there are more signings to come.  But O'Dell is not a loss whatsoever.  Never mind the comment on Burmi....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So Bruins can't afford Hamilton who would have been a $6-6.5 cap hit but then sign Beleskey for 4 per year...  bizarre.

 

Bit surprised Chevy let O'Dell go...  almost no depth now.

 

 

Are you serious with this statement?

 

 

Serious in the sense that Slater, Frolik and ODell were our 'depth' guys last year - all of them filled in when injuries hit

 

I could have said no 'proven' depth...  ODell was borderline but he could play.  After ODell not many call-up options last year.

 

Armia, Copp, Ehlers, Lipon...  lot of question marks - be surprised if Chevy doesn't pick up one or two more, maybe even sign Slater to a 1 year

 

 

O'Dell only managed 11 games with us last year and 30 the year before.  Wouldn't really call that proven either and his NHL games with us was going down not up.  It was pretty obvious he wasn't going to get much more of a chance here to play in the NHL.

 

O'Dell signed a one year 2-way deal with Ottawa, his home team. To me that means they pretty much see him as a fringe NHLer at best, with maybe the feel good story of getting a home town boy into the lineup.

 

 

ODell was injured for a good chunk of last year.

 

Not saying that ODell is the key to a Stanley Cup win...  just saying that Chevy is going all in with his 'draft develop' model

 

Right now, I'd take ODell over Burmistrov... maybe he'll prove me wrong.

 

 

I'd take Burmi over O'Dell every day of the week and twice on Sundays.  Not even a contest.

 

O'Dell is not a loss.  He is a free agent AHLer who signed with his home town team.

 

25 years old and a grand total of 41 NHL games played.

 

 

Like I said, ODell alone, not a big deal - Frolik, Slater, ODell not a big deal to start the season but if two starters go down...

 

Ladd-Little-Stafford

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler

Perrault-Lowry-Burmistrov

Thorburn-Copp-Peluso

Lipon-Armia

 

Pretty sure Chevy signs a couple UFAs

 

 

Completely agree there are more signings to come.  But O'Dell is not a loss whatsoever.  Never mind the comment on Burmi....

 

 

Burmi's KHL numbers are not exactly awe-inspiring... we'll see what Maurice can do

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So Bruins can't afford Hamilton who would have been a $6-6.5 cap hit but then sign Beleskey for 4 per year...  bizarre.

 

Bit surprised Chevy let O'Dell go...  almost no depth now.

 

 

Are you serious with this statement?

 

 

Serious in the sense that Slater, Frolik and ODell were our 'depth' guys last year - all of them filled in when injuries hit

 

I could have said no 'proven' depth...  ODell was borderline but he could play.  After ODell not many call-up options last year.

 

Armia, Copp, Ehlers, Lipon...  lot of question marks - be surprised if Chevy doesn't pick up one or two more, maybe even sign Slater to a 1 year

 

 

O'Dell only managed 11 games with us last year and 30 the year before.  Wouldn't really call that proven either and his NHL games with us was going down not up.  It was pretty obvious he wasn't going to get much more of a chance here to play in the NHL.

 

O'Dell signed a one year 2-way deal with Ottawa, his home team. To me that means they pretty much see him as a fringe NHLer at best, with maybe the feel good story of getting a home town boy into the lineup.

 

 

ODell was injured for a good chunk of last year.

 

Not saying that ODell is the key to a Stanley Cup win...  just saying that Chevy is going all in with his 'draft develop' model

 

Right now, I'd take ODell over Burmistrov... maybe he'll prove me wrong.

 

 

I'd take Burmi over O'Dell every day of the week and twice on Sundays.  Not even a contest.

 

O'Dell is not a loss.  He is a free agent AHLer who signed with his home town team.

 

25 years old and a grand total of 41 NHL games played.

 

 

Like I said, ODell alone, not a big deal - Frolik, Slater, ODell not a big deal to start the season but if two starters go down...

 

Ladd-Little-Stafford

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler

Perrault-Lowry-Burmistrov

Thorburn-Copp-Peluso

Lipon-Armia

 

Pretty sure Chevy signs a couple UFAs

 

 

Completely agree there are more signings to come.  But O'Dell is not a loss whatsoever.  Never mind the comment on Burmi....

 

 

Burmi's KHL numbers are not exactly awe-inspiring... we'll see what Maurice can do

 

 

His KHL numbers are meaningless when you make a statement like saying you would prefer O'Dell over Burmistrov, which would have to mean that you consider O'Dell a better player.

 

Burmi's points per game in the NHL almost double O'Dell's.  Never mind the much larger sample size or the fact that Burmi logs time on both the PK and PP while O'Dell does neither.

 

Burmi also doubles O'Dells time on ice per game, and before you use the time on ice as an excuse for lower point numbers, don't.  O'Dell didn't get more ice time for the simple fact that he is at best a 4th line plug.

Buff, Burmi and "whatever" for Taylor Hall!

O'dell over Burmi? My goodness. One of those coil upset crack the lineup without injuries. The other played every game from his draft year

Not saying ODell is necessarily better... I'd just rather have him on my roster than Burmistrov.  Because Russians are generally poison and Burmi has yet to prove otherwise.  We'll see.

 

Moot point now.  I'll feel a lot better when the Jets sign Justin Williams.

Not saying ODell is necessarily better... I'd just rather have him on my roster than Burmistrov.  Because Russians are generally poison and Burmi has yet to prove otherwise.  We'll see.

 

Moot point now.  I'll feel a lot better when the Jets sign Justin Williams.

 

That is a pretty general statement to make.  Last time I checked Evander Kane was Canadian.  Poison players are human nature and come in all nationalities.

 

Lots of Russians that are not poison.  For a while there has been a flight risk to the KHL, which I think was a bigger reason teams shied away from them, but with the messed up economy in Russia, the risk is less.

 

Specific to Burmi, yes there has been rumours that he isn't great in the locker room.  I think the Jets room is pretty strong though and can handle him.

 

Even given character issues, there is no way I'd take O'Dell over Burmi.  There are much better NHL players we have in our system over O'Dell.

TSN free agent tracker reporting that Justin Williams just signed with Washington .. 2 years ... no term reported yet.

 

That ship has sailed.

3.25 per year. 2 years

That ship was probably never even In the Jets lake or even close to it.

$3 million for Justin Williams???  Cheap.

Very reasonable signings this year...  Some 'overpayment' but nothing too crazy

Frolik and Mike Green are the only over payments. That's what happens tho when the fa crop is garbage for the most part. Sekera might be too. He's good but he's not elite however I'd take him at 5.5 over green at 6

I don't know if Frolik really is an overpayment... I think it's fair value and it's a better fit for that club.    

4.3 for a guy who ideally plays 3rd line is Def an overpayment IMO. Maybe the fact that it's a 5 year deal makes me think overpayment. Is Frolik top 6 in calgary? Hudler Monahan Guedreau Bennett. Hmm. Ya probably second line. Maybe not a bad deal but I think he's a 3rd liner on a really good team. 4.3 on a 5 year deal is steep

It really depends if the cap continues to stay relatively the same or starts to rise again.  This is of course highly dependant on the Canadian dollar.

 

If the cap is up to $80M in year 3, $85M+ in year 4/5 it really isn't that bad of a contract.

 

If the cap stays below $80M over the next 5 years, they may regret it when some of their younger players start coming up.

Former Jet James Wright has signed a one year deal with the Islanders after spending some time in the KHL.

Frolik and Mike Green are the only over payments. That's what happens tho when the fa crop is garbage for the most part. Sekera might be too. He's good but he's not elite however I'd take him at 5.5 over green at 6

I dont think they were overpaid.

If Oilers D was not such a mess, Sekera is an overpayment - although it could be argued that if Toby is getting 5.5 then its not at all...  Same can be said for Green, Red Wings need D help

 

Frolik is a plug and play guy, not a ton of those in the league...  that contract seems fair

 

Justin Williams looks like a steal, wish Jets got him - just the kind of guy we needed

Mike green is way over paid. Saw one analysis that called him a declining #4 dman on the caps to the highest paid dman on the wings.

The TSN guys were all calling the Frolik contract a huge win for his agents while Acknowledging they'd all want him on their team. So it seemed to surprise them he got that much. I think we're conditioned to it bexause everyday we heard he wanted $5m so 4.3 seems like a deal.

Justin Williams would have been great here. I think maybe the signing of Burmi and the desire to use Ehlers closed up a hole for the jets.

Are we averaging about $100k per point in this league yet?

I think Froliks wife had a say in this. His one quote about having a family now leads me to believe that he was gone and there was nothing the jets could do besides massively over pay him that would change his mind. Oh well. One less allan Walsh client to deal with

Calgary's logo is a big 'C', Frolik is from Czech Republic... nothing that could have been done.  Chevy was doomed.