kelownabomberfan Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Really interesting read, thanks. It's a really strong point he makes, about movie theatres not wanting to be liable for this type of thing. How can you blame them? It's not up to movie theatres to stand up to terrorists. Weak kneed President. Putting the screws to North Korea with even tougher economic sanctions would be a start.What sanctions are left to impose? The only American import into North Korea is Dennis Rodman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacklewasher Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Really interesting read, thanks. It's a really strong point he makes, about movie theatres not wanting to be liable for this type of thing. How can you blame them? It's not up to movie theatres to stand up to terrorists. Weak kneed President. Putting the screws to North Korea with even tougher economic sanctions would be a start.What sanctions are left to impose? The only American import into North Korea is Dennis Rodman. Really piss on NK and don't let Rodman back out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted December 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Im more of a right wing guy when it comes to forign policy but I understand the delicate nature of these things. Im on board with renewed relations with Cuba because I think that will eventually lead to democracy there. I think Iran will be democratic one day because the people want western things. But it cant be forced. They people will have to want it bad enough. North Korea will let every man woman and child starve to death before they give in and the people are weak. NK has the backing of China. But the great thing about a leadership like NK is they are batshit crazy and prone to doing stupid things. They are annoying China. The US cant bomb NK into the stone age because China is like their big brother but annoy China enough to stop sticking up for you and NK will collapse. They will eventually see the light because its inevitable. I would be fine seeing a bombing of their infrastructure but the US would have to have China on board for that. And the last thing anyone wants is a depserate NK selling nukes to someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 My favorite scene from Team America: Obama really did **** the bed on this Sony thing. Sony went to the White House for help: http://deadline.com/2014/12/michael-lynton-sony-hack-north-korea-obama-the-interview-1201331113/ And they did nothing, and now they are blaming Sony for their troubles. Total ass-covering. If this had been George W. Bush the media would be all over Bush and calling him an idiot, but as usual, Obama gets a free pass. What else is new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted December 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 If Bush was in the White House, he would call NK out and threaten military action. We can debate that all we want, but Obama is generally very weak on foreign policy and this is another example. We can say Obama was not prepped well by his people but he hires his people so the buck stops with him. He shouldnt have blamed Sony. Can you imagine? Blaming Sony. Wow. And the refusal to use the word "cyberterrorism" because he wont label anyone or anything as a terrorist. Obama is just snoozing though the rest of his term. it wouldnt surprise me to see a despot little nation like NK try something knowing Obama is unlikely to do anything about it before the next election. Even if the Dems win, Hillary is stronger on foreign policy and who knows who might be President if the Rebublicans win (Jeb?) but they too will be stronger than Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Obama is just snoozing though the rest of his term. it wouldnt surprise me to see a despot little nation like NK try something knowing Obama is unlikely to do anything about it before the next election. Even if the Dems win, Hillary is stronger on foreign policy and who knows who might be President if the Rebublicans win (Jeb?) but they too will be stronger than Obama. The Saudis are tired of Obama's weak-kneed foreign policy too, and have been carrying out bombing strikes of their own on ISIS and in Libya, which of course have largely gone unreported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted December 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I get that the US doesnt want to be perceived as going it alone. But I think a by-product of a weakened US is a weakened UN. The UN is a joke. A middle east solution has to come from the middle east and I like the movement of Cuba. But ISIS is a cancer that needs to be cut out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted December 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Apparently there is a massive attack on NK's internet currently. Word is most of the Internet in NK is down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 U.S. Government retaliating? China shutting them down (North Korea's internet goes through China's infrastructure)? Or just a bunch of civilian hackers doing their thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted December 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 U.S. Government retaliating? China shutting them down (North Korea's internet goes through China's infrastructure)? Or just a bunch of civilian hackers doing their thing. I would love it if the US (or China at US's request) has NK's internet shut down. "We will hack you more! Oh uh....hmmmm..never mind" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 The Saudis are tired of Obama's weak-kneed foreign policy too, and have been carrying out bombing strikes of their own on ISIS and in Libya, which of course have largely gone unreported. Other countries in the region should be carrying their fair share of the load. It makes no sense for US to do all of the dirty work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 If Bush was in the White House, he would call NK out and threaten military action. We can debate that all we want, but Obama is generally very weak on foreign policy and this is another example. We can say Obama was not prepped well by his people but he hires his people so the buck stops with him. He shouldnt have blamed Sony. Can you imagine? Blaming Sony. Wow. And the refusal to use the word "cyberterrorism" because he wont label anyone or anything as a terrorist. What good is a baseless threat? The US hasn't gone to war with a country that could fight back since Vietnam, and it certainly won't start now with North Korea. If it didn't start a war with China, it would probably result in South Korea being hit with a nuclear bomb. Besides, should military action really be threatened over a movie company hack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted December 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I dont North Korea would hit South Korea with a nuke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I dont North Korea would hit South Korea with a nuke. If they were attacked? I'd be shocked if they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted December 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 That wouldnt be wise. And Im sure China would have something to say about that. I do think this is something of a national security issue. A Nuclear Nation is threatening 9/11 style attacks on US soil. There's rhetoric you ignore and then there's delivering consequences when necessary. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 But here's the gist.. They cannot without a doubt pinpoint it was NK who hacked Sony. So you cannot attack a country on a maybe... Can you send a million hack attempts, ddos attacks on infrastructure and paralyze their internet? Sure.. Because nobody can definitively say it was American hackers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Well, North Korea's one computer was down yesterday. So, naturally they took to their telegraph lines & rotary phones to keep in touch . It's rumoured that North Korean spies have infiltrated America's libraries in order to find out how to modernize their communications system. They are particularly interested in the Pony Express. Floyd and Atomic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted December 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 But here's the gist.. They cannot without a doubt pinpoint it was NK who hacked Sony. So you cannot attack a country on a maybe... Can you send a million hack attempts, ddos attacks on infrastructure and paralyze their internet? Sure.. Because nobody can definitively say it was American hackers.. They seem to be saying it was NK pretty definitely. And NK sort of gives it away when they plead innocence, demand a joint investigation, claim its a US set up and then praise the hackers. Something will eventually happen with NK. Either revolution or war. They keep pushing their luck and dont really suffer any consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigg jay Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Sony will be releasing the movie (albeit in a limited capacity) afterall. http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/23/media/screening-the-interview/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted December 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Sony will be releasing the movie (albeit in a limited capacity) afterall. http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/23/media/screening-the-interview/ Good. I wonder if the "attack" on NK yesterday had anything to do with it. I hope Cineplex Canada changes their tune on this also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 US announces new sanctions against NK. NK calls them repugnant and hostile which I think is the point so that's a win for the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 "Multiple police, FBI, cyber analyst sources are confirming that the focus of the FBI’s investigation has moved from North Korea to Los Angeles. A LAPD officer and FBI agent confirmed that the Bureau is no longer looking at a North Korean angle for the Sony leak but have moved to an insider group working with outsider help. http://gotnews.com/exclusive-breaking-fbi-inquiry-moved-los-angeles-involves-hacker-group-lulsec/ also…."An investigation into the massive breach at Sony has focused on a group of at least six individuals that may have worked to compromise the company’s networks, including at least one ex-employee who had the technical background and system knowledge to carry out the attack." Darkmatters or "This week, prominent San Mateo, Calif., cybersecurity firm Norse Corp. — whose clients include government agencies, financial institutions and technology companies — briefed law enforcement officials on evidence it collected that pointed toward an inside job. "We can't find any indication that North Korea either ordered, masterminded or funded this attack," Kurt Stammberger, a senior vice president at Norse, said in an interview with The Times." But yeah, sanction North Korea. Why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 I thought this was decided like 2 weeks ago, that it was a girl who was fired about 6 months ago and was getting revenge...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 The U.S. said today it was still North Korea and the private firms saying otherwise are not privy to their Intel. But there are many anti government people that love their enemies, like idiots such as rodman and penn. The Sony employee angle I read was that she might have helped NK target specific servers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 "Multiple police, FBI, cyber analyst sources are confirming that the focus of the FBI’s investigation has moved from North Korea to Los Angeles. A LAPD officer and FBI agent confirmed that the Bureau is no longer looking at a North Korean angle for the Sony leak but have moved to an insider group working with outsider help. http://gotnews.com/exclusive-breaking-fbi-inquiry-moved-los-angeles-involves-hacker-group-lulsec/ also…."An investigation into the massive breach at Sony has focused on a group of at least six individuals that may have worked to compromise the company’s networks, including at least one ex-employee who had the technical background and system knowledge to carry out the attack." Darkmatters or "This week, prominent San Mateo, Calif., cybersecurity firm Norse Corp. — whose clients include government agencies, financial institutions and technology companies — briefed law enforcement officials on evidence it collected that pointed toward an inside job. "We can't find any indication that North Korea either ordered, masterminded or funded this attack," Kurt Stammberger, a senior vice president at Norse, said in an interview with The Times." But yeah, sanction North Korea. Why not. Why not? The Kim family are all wack jobs. They have killed indiscriminately & they rule with terror. Human rights in North Korea, what human rights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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