17to85 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 When healthy, Neufeld is a legit starting Canadian OL. He started almost every game for the Riders a couple years ago. I still think giving up the 2nd rounder for him was worth it. We need to be patient with him. Worst case is he's our 6th OL which still has value. I'm hoping the Bombers put him on an offseason training regimen so he comes to camp with a higher fitness level next TC. we gave up more than just a 2nd round pick. We also gave up a player who was one of the best at his positions who helped the Riders win the Grey Cup. People need to stop pretending that Hall had 0 value and shouldn't be counted as part of the trade. We gave up a star player AND a 2nd round pick to get an injury prone OL. That trade stank from day 1. Could have used those assets to get something more worthwhile. DR. CFL and TBURGESS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 When healthy, Neufeld is a legit starting Canadian OL. He started almost every game for the Riders a couple years ago. I still think giving up the 2nd rounder for him was worth it. We need to be patient with him. Worst case is he's our 6th OL which still has value. I'm hoping the Bombers put him on an offseason training regimen so he comes to camp with a higher fitness level next TC. we gave up more than just a 2nd round pick. We also gave up a player who was one of the best at his positions who helped the Riders win the Grey Cup. People need to stop pretending that Hall had 0 value and shouldn't be counted as part of the trade. We gave up a star player AND a 2nd round pick to get an injury prone OL. That trade stank from day 1. Could have used those assets to get something more worthwhile. I look at the trade as: Neufeld for 2nd rounder 4th rounder for Hall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Hall was worth nothing because of his situation, Neufeld for a 2nd rounder was about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Oh and we keep Cory Watson around because we lack depth at NI receiver but that is okay.....pot meet kettle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzmore Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 When healthy, Neufeld is a legit starting Canadian OL. He started almost every game for the Riders a couple years ago. I still think giving up the 2nd rounder for him was worth it. We need to be patient with him. Worst case is he's our 6th OL which still has value. I'm hoping the Bombers put him on an offseason training regimen so he comes to camp with a higher fitness level next TC. we gave up more than just a 2nd round pick. We also gave up a player who was one of the best at his positions who helped the Riders win the Grey Cup. People need to stop pretending that Hall had 0 value and shouldn't be counted as part of the trade. We gave up a star player AND a 2nd round pick to get an injury prone OL. That trade stank from day 1. Could have used those assets to get something more worthwhile. Actually if you go back I think you will see that Hall did not in fact do much to help them win the cup. He did not play every down, and I don't seem to recall him having great numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 People should try to remember that a 2nd round pick last year is almost the equal to a 4th rounder this year because of what the redshirt rule did to the draft last year. That makes the trade a virtual Hall for Neufeld straight up and that's a win for us. blitzmore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 People should try to remember that a 2nd round pick last year is almost the equal to a 4th rounder this year because of what the redshirt rule did to the draft last year. That makes the trade a virtual Hall for Neufeld straight up and that's a win for us. This is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 When healthy, Neufeld is a legit starting Canadian OL. He started almost every game for the Riders a couple years ago. I still think giving up the 2nd rounder for him was worth it. We need to be patient with him. Worst case is he's our 6th OL which still has value. I'm hoping the Bombers put him on an offseason training regimen so he comes to camp with a higher fitness level next TC. we gave up more than just a 2nd round pick. We also gave up a player who was one of the best at his positions who helped the Riders win the Grey Cup. People need to stop pretending that Hall had 0 value and shouldn't be counted as part of the trade. We gave up a star player AND a 2nd round pick to get an injury prone OL. That trade stank from day 1. Could have used those assets to get something more worthwhile. I look at the trade as: Neufeld for 2nd rounder 4th rounder for Hall that's a pretty silly way to look at it. it was Neufeld and a 4th for Hall and a 2nd. We gave up the better player and the better draft pick in the trade. Now sure the contract lengths come into play and maybe shift the value to Neufeld over Hall, but the fact that he's injury prone sure doesn't help. Some people just get such raging hard ons over trades they have to tell themselves it was a good trade no matter what. Walters has been pretty iffy in trades. He over pays to get what he wants and that can damage you long term if it becomes a trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Neufeld trade was not a great one but you have to remember it was Kyle Walters getting the bombers back into the game... after two years of Mack asleep at the wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 When healthy, Neufeld is a legit starting Canadian OL. He started almost every game for the Riders a couple years ago. I still think giving up the 2nd rounder for him was worth it. We need to be patient with him. Worst case is he's our 6th OL which still has value. I'm hoping the Bombers put him on an offseason training regimen so he comes to camp with a higher fitness level next TC.we gave up more than just a 2nd round pick. We also gave up a player who was one of the best at his positions who helped the Riders win the Grey Cup. People need to stop pretending that Hall had 0 value and shouldn't be counted as part of the trade. We gave up a star player AND a 2nd round pick to get an injury prone OL. That trade stank from day 1. Could have used those assets to get something more worthwhile. I look at the trade as: Neufeld for 2nd rounder 4th rounder for Hall that's a pretty silly way to look at it. it was Neufeld and a 4th for Hall and a 2nd. We gave up the better player and the better draft pick in the trade. Now sure the contract lengths come into play and maybe shift the value to Neufeld over Hall, but the fact that he's injury prone sure doesn't help. Some people just get such raging hard ons over trades they have to tell themselves it was a good trade no matter what. Walters has been pretty iffy in trades. He over pays to get what he wants and that can damage you long term if it becomes a trend. Hall may be the better player but Neufeld had MUCH more value to the Bombers. sweep the leg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Hall had no more value to us, that's the important thing here. Don't care what he did with Saskatchewan, although it wasn't much. The swap of draft picks can be debated but also has to include the red-shirting in '14. Our pick is in 2015. If Neufeld shows anything in the future, how can that not be a clear asset gain for us? blitzmore and SPuDS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 At this point there's just as good a chance as any that Moore's just having an unlucky year. It happens, one injury leads to another and then another... it's easier to hurt something else when you're compensating for something else. Now if it happens again next year, then I'll be bummed out. As for Neufeld, we had a player we were losing to the NFL anyways. I doubt anyone was offering more for him than the Grey Cup host team where money was no object. We could have gotten more with a bag of 4 footballs & a blocking dummy from the Riders for Hall instead of Neufeld. How many games has he actually played? Two? Three? We also gave up a second round pick (I believe) which to me is a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Now sure the contract lengths come into play and maybe shift the value to Neufeld over Hall, but the fact that he's injury prone sure doesn't help. Now sure Hall was the better player, but the fact that he's not in the CFL this season & may never be a Bomber again sure doesn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 It was an acceptable risk that hasn't worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 How many games has he actually played? Two? Three? Seven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 If it was a poor trade the one remedy is to get Hall back playing for the Bombers again. That'll teach those green-cootied-hicks not to play poker with a Svengali like Walters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 When healthy, Neufeld is a legit starting Canadian OL. He started almost every game for the Riders a couple years ago. I still think giving up the 2nd rounder for him was worth it. We need to be patient with him. Worst case is he's our 6th OL which still has value. I'm hoping the Bombers put him on an offseason training regimen so he comes to camp with a higher fitness level next TC.we gave up more than just a 2nd round pick. We also gave up a player who was one of the best at his positions who helped the Riders win the Grey Cup. People need to stop pretending that Hall had 0 value and shouldn't be counted as part of the trade. We gave up a star player AND a 2nd round pick to get an injury prone OL. That trade stank from day 1. Could have used those assets to get something more worthwhile. Yer Fkn delusional if you thought we could get more then a starting canadian lineman for a rent a player for x amount of games... Especially knowing the NFL was his goal for next season... What, you think we coulda got ray or bourke or Cornish? Give yer head a shake man.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Ray Bourke would have been nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 When healthy, Neufeld is a legit starting Canadian OL. He started almost every game for the Riders a couple years ago. I still think giving up the 2nd rounder for him was worth it. We need to be patient with him. Worst case is he's our 6th OL which still has value. I'm hoping the Bombers put him on an offseason training regimen so he comes to camp with a higher fitness level next TC.we gave up more than just a 2nd round pick. We also gave up a player who was one of the best at his positions who helped the Riders win the Grey Cup. People need to stop pretending that Hall had 0 value and shouldn't be counted as part of the trade. We gave up a star player AND a 2nd round pick to get an injury prone OL. That trade stank from day 1. Could have used those assets to get something more worthwhile. Yer Fkn delusional if you thought we could get more then a starting canadian lineman for a rent a player for x amount of games... Especially knowing the NFL was his goal for next season... What, you think we coulda got ray or bourke or Cornish? Give yer head a shake man.. If we had traded Hall for Neufeld straight up my tune would be entirely different. The fact that we had to throw in a 2nd round pick is what makes the trade poor. iso_55 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 When healthy, Neufeld is a legit starting Canadian OL. He started almost every game for the Riders a couple years ago. I still think giving up the 2nd rounder for him was worth it. We need to be patient with him. Worst case is he's our 6th OL which still has value. I'm hoping the Bombers put him on an offseason training regimen so he comes to camp with a higher fitness level next TC.we gave up more than just a 2nd round pick. We also gave up a player who was one of the best at his positions who helped the Riders win the Grey Cup. People need to stop pretending that Hall had 0 value and shouldn't be counted as part of the trade. We gave up a star player AND a 2nd round pick to get an injury prone OL. That trade stank from day 1. Could have used those assets to get something more worthwhile. Yer Fkn delusional if you thought we could get more then a starting canadian lineman for a rent a player for x amount of games... Especially knowing the NFL was his goal for next season... What, you think we coulda got ray or bourke or Cornish? Give yer head a shake man.. If we had traded Hall for Neufeld straight up my tune would be entirely different. The fact that we had to throw in a 2nd round pick is what makes the trade poor. Yeah, one for one then fine. But losing that pick made it a bad trade. Neufeld not playing just makes it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 A rental import for a NI O-Lineman straight up? Who would make that trade? A 2014 eleventh pick (as it turns out) for a 4th rounder in 2015 (TBD) and a 26 year old O_line guy? That's still tilted in the Bombers favour. blitzmore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 A rental import for a NI O-Lineman straight up? Who would make that trade? A 2014 eleventh pick (as it turns out) for a 4th rounder in 2015 (TBD) and a 26 year old O_line guy? That's still tilted in the Bombers favour. An INJURED 26 year old Neufeld. And continually injured this season. He wasn't worth losing a second pick over. One for one then sure, fine. Why would Walters give up a second round pick knowing he was losing Hall anyway considering how bad our Canadian talent was & still is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 A rental import for a NI O-Lineman straight up? Who would make that trade? A 2014 eleventh pick (as it turns out) for a 4th rounder in 2015 (TBD) and a 26 year old O_line guy? That's still tilted in the Bombers favour. An INJURED 26 year old Neufeld. And continually injured this season. He wasn't worth losing a second pick over. One for one then sure, fine. Why would Walters give up a second round pick knowing he was losing Hall anyway considering how bad our Canadian talent was & still is? Well, for one thing, Hall wasn't Canadian when we traded him, and he still isn't. And Neufeld was/is a NI O-Lineman who is, at least a depth player and was/is still, potentially, a starter. Of course he has to be healthy, but any player traded, drafted or signed from the US has to be also. And we received a 4th round pick in 2015, arguably a better draft…so really, what's the problem? blitzmore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 I just think losing a second round pick for a guy who wasn't starting AND was injured was a dumb move by a rookie GM. Walters didn't have to throw in a draft pick. Napkin Boy stole Kyle's lunch & ate it in like 3 gulps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 What? No mention of the 4th round pick we get in 2015? a deeper draft year? And still the possibility of Neufeld playing for years? If that's the way you eat lunch, remind me not to dine out with you. blitzmore and BigBlueFanatic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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