Per Madani...

His bio from Queens website:

Pat Tracey joined Queen?s in 2000 as Special Teams Coach and Recruiting Coordinator, and moved to his current post in 2001, becoming a full-time assistant to Coach Sheahan in 2008. Tracey is recognized nationally and internationally as a defensive specialist, and is the dean of current OUA defensive coordinators. In 2011, the Gaels defence did not concede a single rushing touchdown in the regular season. He enters the season with 105 career wins as a CIS defensive coordinator and the CIS leader with 14 career shut-out victories.

Tracey has mentored many exceptional defensive players during his time at Queen?s, including four CIS award winners, eight OUA award winners, 39 conference All-Stars and 16 CIS All-Canadians. The Gaels defence has lead the OUA in several categories under his guidance including number one ranking against the Run 5-times, Pass 2-times, Overall 5-times and Scoring 4-times). He has coached the East team in recent CIS East-West Bowl games, serving as DB coac in 2003, Defensive Coordinator in 2004, and Special Teams coordinator in 2005, 2007 and 2008. Tracey was the Special Teams Coach for Canada at the 2007 Global Football Championship, held during the week of Super Bowl XLI, which the Canadians won for the third straight year. In 2009, he guided the Gaels defence to a Vanier Cup championship, as they finished as the top defence within the OUA.

Tracey has also been deeply involved in coaching at the national level, as he was the Defensive Coordinator for the Eastern Ontario U-17 team at the Football Canada Cup, winning bronze medals in 2005, 2006 and 2007 and capturing a gold medal in 2009.

Prior to joining Queen?s, Tracey coached with the Guelph Gryphons from 1987-97 and 1999.

At Guelph, he held numerous positions including Defensive Backs and Return Units (1987-88), Inside Linebackers and Return Units (1989-90), Defensive Coordinator (1988-94), and Special Teams Coordinator (1996-97). He was the team?s recruiting coordinator from 1995 until leaving for Hamilton in early 1998. He coached in three Yates Cup finals with the Gryphons, winning two.

Tracey spent the 1998 season on a leave of absence from Guelph, and joined the Hamilton Tiger-Cats as Special Teams Coach, on a staff led by CFL legend Ron Lancaster. Hamilton advanced to the Grey Cup with his assistance, losing the championship on a heart-breaking, last-second field goal by the Calgary Stampeders.

Tracey started at defensive back from 1982 through 1986 with the Guelph Gryphons, winning the team?s most improved player award in 1982, and a Vanier Cup in 1984. He saw action as a punt returner, leading the team in 1983. In 1986, he was the football nominee for the Mitchell award as the Male Sportsman of the Year. Tracey was a team captain in 1986, and was named to the Gryphon Team of the Decade in 1989 at cornerback. He holds the school?s record for the longest fumble return (61 yards, set in 1983), and most games played in a career (51). Tracey is also ranked second in Guelph?s history for games started, with 49.

Tracey is a native of Foxboro, Ontario, and resides in Kingston with his wife Denise, and daughters Devon and Darby.

When did Walters say we'd be looking at Drew Willy?

 

 

I do remember seeing where it was written the order of interest in QBs by the Bombers and it was :

1) Collaros

2) Burris

3) Willy

When did Walters say we'd be looking at Drew Willy?

I do remember seeing where it was written the order of interest in QBs by the Bombers and it was :

1) Collaros

2) Burris

3) Willy

Seeing it written in a message forum and Walters actually saying it are two very different things.

Seeing it written in a message forum and Walters actually saying it are two very different things.

 

 

This was from an outside source.

I wouldn't have mentioned it if it wasn't.

Suffice to say a number of us saw the same thing but if you don't believe it…well then, you don't believe it.

 

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This is not how I saw it, but it's probably from the same CFL "source":

 

"In fact, one CFL source Wednesday said the quarterbacks the Bombers are interested in are very likely Collaros and Willy, with Burris as the wild card."

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2013/12/11/winnipeg-blue-bombers-in-a-holding-pattern-when-it-comes-to-acquiring-quarterback

Reports out of Hamilton are that if Burris doesn't re-sign, Austin is comfortable moving forward with Lefevour as their starter. 

Reports out of Hamilton are that if Burris doesn't re-sign, Austin is comfortable moving forward with Lefevour as their starter.

and I wish them all the best in that. That being said, if we go with Willy and/or Collaros are we really that much more ahead in terms of experience? I guess we'll see. I'd rather have Collaros right now than Lefevour.

even if we get collaros, i don't mind if can get burris also.

even if we get collaros, i don't mind if can get burris also.

I don't see Hank taking a back-up role, and it's time to give Collaros a shot at starting, especially if we give him starter money to come over here.

 

even if we get collaros, i don't mind if can get burris also.

I don't see Hank taking a back-up role, and it's time to give Collaros a shot at starting, especially if we give him starter money to come over here.

 

Exactly.  Hank won't take a backup role until he starts going downhill.  And after this years Grey Cup appearance, I don't see that happening.  Someone will want him to start somewhere.  And Collaros won't take a backup role either from what I can tell.  If he's trying out for the NFL he obviously thinks he's ready for the main event.

 

 

even if we get collaros, i don't mind if can get burris also.

I don't see Hank taking a back-up role, and it's time to give Collaros a shot at starting, especially if we give him starter money to come over here.

 

Exactly.  Hank won't take a backup role until he starts going downhill.  And after this years Grey Cup appearance, I don't see that happening.  Someone will want him to start somewhere.  And Collaros won't take a backup role either from what I can tell.  If he's trying out for the NFL he obviously thinks he's ready for the main event.

 

even if he goes downhill Hank won't want a backup role cause he won't accept that it's his play that's faltered. Guy is the best team mate in the world when things are going right, but when things aren't he's in it only for himself. Real POS that guy.

 

even if we get collaros, i don't mind if can get burris also.

I don't see Hank taking a back-up role, and it's time to give Collaros a shot at starting, especially if we give him starter money to come over here.

 

If Hamilton doesn't want him back and if Collaros is the starter here Burris won't have a starting job anywhere. With that being said, I don't really want him period, and especially not if we bring in Collaros.

if we get collaros and every team are set on their starting to qb, burris has no option but to get a backup role.

 

 

say if collaros or stating qb got hurt midway, it would be good to have a burris as an insurance

He might want a backup role but there might be only a backup roll available. It will be interesting to see what happens when the music stop in this years offseason version of musical QBS.

if we get collaros and every team are set on their starting to qb, burris has no option but to get a backup role.

 

Or sit tight to become a midseason injury / desperation signing guy like Michael Bishop.

 

The QB supply in the CFL is still thin enough that it's unthinkable that someone with Burris' pedigree will be sidelined for long, even if he doesn't go to training camp.  Say Edmonton loses Riley or BC loses Lulay for the season, I bet you'd see an unemployed Hank get employed quick.

 

if we get collaros and every team are set on their starting to qb, burris has no option but to get a backup role.

 

Or sit tight to become a midseason injury / desperation signing guy like Michael Bishop.

 

The QB supply in the CFL is still thin enough that it's unthinkable that someone with Burris' pedigree will be sidelined for long, even if he doesn't go to training camp.  Say Edmonton loses Riley or BC loses Lulay for the season, I bet you'd see an unemployed Hank get employed quick.

 

 

sit and he wont collect a paycheck. injuries will come but when?  sign for backup role and collect a paycheck every week.

Honestly, in the event that there isn't a starting job for Burris sucking up his pride and being the back up/mentor to BLM is easily the best career move he could make.

Honestly, in the event that there isn't a starting job for Burris sucking up his pride and being the back up/mentor to BLM is easily the best career move he could make.

I would say Montreal would be a better situation for Hank if Hamilton moves on and Wpg signs Collaros. Willy will also be a back up where ever he goes. He may very well choose to stay in Sask and continue to develop.

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I think Henry Burris and Kent Austin are playing a mild kind of chicken to see who blinks first.

Henry definitely wants to be the starter and based on his past record, he should be.

He who shaves infrequently, is hesitant to anoint Mr. B with such title, if only for SMS implications, and is playing his QB cards close to the vest.

So they wait and the sand keeps filling the bottom half of the hourglass. 

 

Personally, I think Austin would be foolish to let him "walk". 

That 'vet' presence isn't easy to replace.

But Austin does appear to be the type that does things his way, so it still could get interesting.

 

33 more days 'til Free Agency...

 

 

 

*Oh, and in this version of 'chicken', can you guess which car Henry is driving?

If Kerry Joseph can hang around the CFL for a decade after he should  have left then Burris should find a place to play as well.

If Kerry Joseph can hang around the CFL for a decade after he should  have left then Burris should find a place to play as well.

Yeah Hank will find a home somewhere, but it will depend on whether he is comfortable sitting behind a younger QB who a team wants to develop. If his massive ego can take that, then he'll be fine. He'll still be raking in $250K or so, can buy a lot of women's undergarments with that.

Speaking of inflation - I was watching the 1984 Grey Cup and the announcers were saying that Dieter Brock had turned down $250K a year with the Ti-Cats to make the jump to the NFL, where he was thinking he'd get more than that. $250K in 1984 - QB salaries haven't really gone up much in 30 years.

 

If Kerry Joseph can hang around the CFL for a decade after he should  have left then Burris should find a place to play as well.

Yeah Hank will find a home somewhere, but it will depend on whether he is comfortable sitting behind a younger QB who a team wants to develop. If his massive ego can take that, then he'll be fine. He'll still be raking in $250K or so, can buy a lot of women's undergarments with that.

Speaking of inflation - I was watching the 1984 Grey Cup and the announcers were saying that Dieter Brock had turned down $250K a year with the Ti-Cats to make the jump to the NFL, where he was thinking he'd get more than that. $250K in 1984 - QB salaries haven't really gone up much in 30 years.

 

When you consider what guys like Flutie were rumoured to make in the 90s they may have even gone down in the last 20 years, isn't that something?

17, think about this. Quarterback salaries in the CFL have actually gone down with inflation. How much more would $250,000 buy in 1984 than $250,000 today? Hard to believe that a guy like Joe Montana in San Francisco was making just a bit more than Dieter Brock in 1984 when he was in Hamilton.

When you consider what guys like Flutie were rumoured to make in the 90s they may have even gone down in the last 20 years, isn't that something?

I thought Flutie was pulling in around $500K or more in his hey-day, though I think he got stiffed by the Stamps when Ryckman didn't pay him. That was the year I almost ran over Flutie with my car in the University of Calgary parking lot. Ah good times...good times...

When you consider what guys like Flutie were rumoured to make in the 90s they may have even gone down in the last 20 years, isn't that something?

I thought Flutie was pulling in around $500K or more in his hey-day, though I think he got stiffed by the Stamps when Ryckman didn't pay him. That was the year I almost ran over Flutie with my car in the University of Calgary parking lot. Ah good times...good times...

Actually Doug's highest salary was a million when he played for the stamps. I think that was for his second or third year.

 

 

When you consider what guys like Flutie were rumoured to make in the 90s they may have even gone down in the last 20 years, isn't that something?

I thought Flutie was pulling in around $500K or more in his hey-day, though I think he got stiffed by the Stamps when Ryckman didn't pay him. That was the year I almost ran over Flutie with my car in the University of Calgary parking lot. Ah good times...good times...

Actually Doug's highest salary was a million when he played for the stamps. I think that was for his second or third year.

 

Flutie had a personal services contact with Larry Ryckman on top of his CFL contract with the Stamps. Something like $250,000 from the team & Larry was supposed to pay him $750,000 himself. As it turned out, Ryckman stiffed Flutie & he never saw a cent of the money. Ryckman stiffed a lot of people & got into trouble with the AB Securities Commission in the mid to late 90's & left for AZ where he still is today from what I understand. 

When you consider what guys like Flutie were rumoured to make in the 90s they may have even gone down in the last 20 years, isn't that something?

I thought Flutie was pulling in around $500K or more in his hey-day, though I think he got stiffed by the Stamps when Ryckman didn't pay him. That was the year I almost ran over Flutie with my car in the University of Calgary parking lot. Ah good times...good times...

Actually Doug's highest salary was a million when he played for the stamps. I think that was for his second or third year.

Flutie had a personal services contact with Larry Ryckman on top of his CFL contract with the Stamps. Something like $250,000 from the team & Larry was supposed to pay him $750,000 himself. As it turned out, Ryckman stiffed Flutie & he never saw a cent of the money. Ryckman stiffed a lot of people & got into trouble with the AB Securities Commission in the mid to late 90's & left for AZ where he still is today from what I understand.

I still remember the story about Ryckman taking the Stamps out for dinner after the 1992 Grey Cup and telling the players to eat whatever they wanted. Then the bill came and Larry's credit card was rejected, so the players had to pay for the dinner. I believe Flutie ended up paying for it in the end. What a joke. Calgary really went through some dark times back then as a franchise, good to see them now in strong hands with good management.