Bombers-RedBlacks Early Chat

[rebusrankin]

Given our issues with bigger receivers, Geno Lewis concerns me for this game.

[JuranBoldenRules]

17 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Given our issues with bigger receivers, Geno Lewis concerns me for this game.

Any single one of their receivers on Jake Kelly or whoever we play at field corner is a bad time.

I'm hoping Cam Allen comes on.  Kelly might be better off at field corner just given the task of managing the deepest outside route instead of trying to read into backfield and make decisions.  He kept stopping his feet then trying to recover which was 3 deep balls, two catches, one for TD and his PI.

Athletically I think Kelly is a good prospect (yeah he's in year 3) but the processing clearly isn't there yet at game speed.

The most egregious roster management issue is that we're forcing a guy like Kelly out there when we only really need to play one Canadian on D.  The DL guys don't kill us as much as is talked about, but putting a guy out there to just be a mark for the opposition in the secondary is not good.

We've dressed 3 American LB's (aside from T Jones) to take about 70 reps in the past two games on D between them.  That's a bit less than half the snaps on D.  But we're dressing a secondary with no backups aside from our primary returner (who is not an outstanding nor experienced CFL DB) and using two Canadians in the secondary when we only need 1 on the entire D based on the number of Canadians we're starting on O.

So....beef up the OL with Americans, bring in another receiver/playmaker...beef up the secondary or interior DL with an American.  We can easily do two of these things.  It's crazy how we're utilizing (or not) our American roster spots.

Edited 3 hours ago by JuranBoldenRules

[Noeller]

I'm a fan of bringing Allen on at Safety... What does our secondary look like with him there? Who goes where?

[JuranBoldenRules]

4 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I'm a fan of bringing Allen on at Safety... What does our secondary look like with him there? Who goes where?

Personally I think he'll have to come on to play boundary corner with Nichols at half.

Kramdi at safety, Holm at field half, Lawson at field corner.  Kelly as the dime  I don't really think we should start Vaval, ideally wouldn't have to play him on D at all.

[rebusrankin]

@JuranBoldenRules, do you track defensive snaps? That's some interesting commentary in regards to how much our linebackers are playing.

It would be interesting if the CFL had data available for yardage given up by DBs when they are the primary cover on a player. I know it exists in the NFL. By the eye test, Bonds, Vaval and Kelly have all been targeted.

[JuranBoldenRules]

6 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

@JuranBoldenRules, do you track defensive snaps? That's some interesting commentary in regards to how much our linebackers are playing.

It would be interesting if the CFL had data available for yardage given up by DBs when they are the primary cover on a player. I know it exists in the NFL. By the eye test, Bonds, Vaval and Kelly have all been targeted.

I track it series by series, not as precisely as DT.  Probably the last game I'll be able to do it though because my season starts this week.

Kelly played basically that entire game...him, Kramdi and Griffin essentially functioned as the WIL/SAM/Safety but not always static in position.  Griffin most likely to be in the box or blitzing.

We had a lot of snaps with 4 Canadians on D.  Most with 3, some with 2.

We are starting 6 Canadians on O.  So we only need 1 Canadian on D.  Now if we have Canadians who are better than our Americans...ok.  Not sure Kelly is that.  Not sure Thomas is that.

Also no reason to start 6 Canadians on O if we're going into a game knowing we're going to play Jake Kelly the entire game on D.

But...not sure who the Americans would be we have ready to go.  Allen is an obvious one, Woodbey would be one but we're kind of loaded where he would fit in...but might be more useful than Ayres being able to play 2-3 spots on D.  Don't think we have anyone on O ready to go aside from Vanterpool when he gets healthy.

We don't have enough American players....which is a huge indictment on the past 2-3 training camps.

[TommyClements]

I’m confused as to why Kelly was on the field so much. Was he the dime? Was this always the plan or what the bombers had to do when Bonds went down and Vaval went in for him?

[JuranBoldenRules]

14 minutes ago, TommyClements said:

I’m confused as to why Kelly was on the field so much. Was he the dime? Was this always the plan or what the bombers had to do when Bonds went down and Vaval went in for him?

No Kelly was in from the start.  Bonds didn't go down until right before half.

They were essentially playing two deep safeties to shake up VA and try to negate the explosives.  They had Griffin playing more LB style SAM than DB style.  Worked for a quarter until they started running single verticals and posts at Kelly's side as an adjustment.

[Piggy 1]

19 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

No Kelly was in from the start.  Bonds didn't go down until right before half.

They were essentially playing two deep safeties to shake up VA and try to negate the explosives.  They had Griffin playing more LB style SAM than DB style.  Worked for a quarter until they started running single verticals and posts at Kelly's side as an adjustment.

Kelly looked lost.......

[Booch]

23 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

No Kelly was in from the start.  Bonds didn't go down until right before half.

They were essentially playing two deep safeties to shake up VA and try to negate the explosives.  They had Griffin playing more LB style SAM than DB style.  Worked for a quarter until they started running single verticals and posts at Kelly's side as an adjustment.

J.jones not seeing the field at all didnt help...he played a lot the previous game and helped immensely...didnt see much of him last night...why is the question

43 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

I track it series by series, not as precisely as DT.  Probably the last game I'll be able to do it though because my season starts this week.

Kelly played basically that entire game...him, Kramdi and Griffin essentially functioned as the WIL/SAM/Safety but not always static in position.  Griffin most likely to be in the box or blitzing.

We had a lot of snaps with 4 Canadians on D.  Most with 3, some with 2.

We are starting 6 Canadians on O.  So we only need 1 Canadian on D.  Now if we have Canadians who are better than our Americans...ok.  Not sure Kelly is that.  Not sure Thomas is that.

Also no reason to start 6 Canadians on O if we're going into a game knowing we're going to play Jake Kelly the entire game on D.

But...not sure who the Americans would be we have ready to go.  Allen is an obvious one, Woodbey would be one but we're kind of loaded where he would fit in...but might be more useful than Ayres being able to play 2-3 spots on D.  Don't think we have anyone on O ready to go aside from Vanterpool when he gets healthy.

We don't have enough American players....which is a huge indictment on the past 2-3 training camps.

Been saying for several yrs...our roster management....player reps and utilization of our guys for best impact has been wretched

Also I stand by my claim osh is heavily Canadian biased...and it hurts us...reason why too he won't utilize rules afforded to him...he doesn't like them...and was outspoken against them when originally implemented...talk about not putting team first over your bias...